I've Got It! What do you Think Happen When You Die?

[HeatlessBBQ]

so ever since smoking dmt.

i couldnt help myself but research...
and research...
and research.

thanks to Terrence McKenna for setting out and having the wits to travel out of this world many times to decipher a "dmt breakthrough"
AND several other subjects who have committed their time and self to research.

over time I have figured it all out... !!!
keep up with me if you can....

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many people believe (as do I) that dmt breakthrough experiences are very, if not exactly similar to a "near death experience", which have been achieved with no drugs.

this means someone who died for a few minutes, came back to life and remember the experience they had WHILE they were dead. and now are alive to tell the story.
once their story is told and compared to a dmt breakthrough...
both sound hand in hand, SIMILAR ... and that is almost a under statement.

over many of MANY trip reports of dmt breakthroughs (that i have read),
most of them had their own nature but every single one had a similar twist to it.

this similar twist made me think... after listening to one of Terrence McKenna's lectures.
This lecture was him describing a dmt breakthrough in full detail, with the amazing vocabulary he uses. (unlike mine. lol)
(the link for these videos and lecture is posted below.)

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let me keep this simple....

IF it is true that dmt breakthroughs are a preview of the after life...
then that gives us the chance to figure out WHY WE ARE HERE!!!!

WE are here to keep the cycle going.
DEATH IS CREATION
once YOU die. YOU are with everyone YOU have ever loved.
creating THIS creation we are living in now.
creating a NEW set and setting for OUR NEW BORN !!!

once YOU die.
SOMEONE else is born.

YOU WILL sing the songs of creation to create creation.

UNITY

"death is the road to awe"

but keep in mind.....
ITS JUST A THEORY OF MINE

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sources

-Entheogens
-Terrence McKenna
-Timothy Leary
-Jonathan Ott
-Alex and Allyson Grey
-and many others that have dedicated their lives and time to help research this amazing thing called LIFE

Films:
-The Fountain
-Renegade



this is the main source that helped me figure this all out...
WATCH AND LISTEN CAREFULLY
Terrence McKenna describing a dmt trip is FULL detail Part 1
[video=youtube;qw75PxL6O7U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw75PxL6O7U[/video]

Terrence McKenna describing a dmt trip is FULL detail Part 2
[video=youtube;TvRCE-KtZ2o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvRCE-KtZ2o&feature=related[/video]


and remember to keep in mind...
that this is a theory of mine

 

[Derple]

my opinion of death is that our spirit (trapped in our earthly form) is freed into the outer cosmos upon death to become one with the universe part . . . but hey, thats just me

 

[Unnk]

"You look like a termite from Arturo and the room is decorated with amish quilts... BUT IM COMPLETELY BACK"

i nearly pissed my pants lol

 

[Michael Phelps]

Very interesting, my beliefs are very similar to yours and Derple's. I do believe once we die we will leave our body through our pineal gland in to infinite abyss. Death and a break through probably have a lot of similarities but are probably still slightly different, even when breaking through on DMT in a lot of way's you are still connected to the physical, because of this the experience can be somewhat confusing. I think upon death everything will once again become clear, memories of all previous experiences will once again resonate within us...


Sometimes i like to flatter myself with thinking upon death it's all over, man that sounds peaceful! Overall i think everything is way to complicated and inter connected for us to only live this one life...

 

[CaNNaBiZ CaNucK]

Oh Heatless, leave it to you to crank up my saliva glands. And don't dumb down your powers of expression.. I think you're descriptions relay your thoughts wonderfully.

I am ready to die.. I think

And Cheers for posting the Terrence vids, facinating stuff

 

[Haddaway]

I have it pretty figured out from my point of view, and it seems weird most of us who do psychedelics and have a pretty good understanding. Honestly I personally saw mine stemming from a experience on a dissociative a couple of years ago when I first started experimenting with them. It was a weird ass trip. I was with my girlfriend who was sleeping over. All of a sudden I feel like I gained some kind of extra senses. I started feeling real clairvoyant, and my cat was walking on my bed and I would be like, *talking in a strange voice* "It will sit down" *makes some weird hand motion* and then it sat down and some other shit. Then all of a sudden I layed down and everything was starting to get a bit strange. At a certain spot of the ceiling there was red writing in cursive and equations. Then I feel like I start floating and then all of a sudden like I would fling *no olther word I can think of that describes it correctly": and get stuck in the corner of my ceiling. Then these two bright lights started coming and they swirled over my bookcase and I flew into the bookcase. All of a sudden I am flying down a portal made of red velvet for awhile, I come to this plateau in a cavern and Im in a little cart, and supposedly telling me the meaning of life, I don't remember anything it said, except arguing with it the whole time, and then for like 2 weeks after that, I had never been that happy in my life. I was on overdrive. It was weird..

Honestly, I've never done DMT. I'm trying to make some..

 

[CaNNaBiZ CaNucK]

Interesting tale Hadd.. I am currently awaiting my turn in line also

Hope alls well with you Bro

 

[HeatlessBBQ]

Very interesting, my beliefs are very similar to yours and Derple's. I do believe once we die we will leave our body through our pineal gland in to infinite abyss. Death and a break through probably have a lot of similarities but are probably still slightly different, even when breaking through on DMT in a lot of way's you are still connected to the physical, because of this the experience can be somewhat confusing. I think upon death everything will once again become clear, memories of all previous experiences will once again resonate within us...


Sometimes i like to flatter myself with thinking upon death it's all over, man that sounds peaceful! Overall i think everything is way to complicated and inter connected for us to only live this one life...

keep thinking my friend.
every piece too the puzzle has to connect in some way.

Oh Heatless, leave it to you to crank up my saliva glands. And don't dumb down your powers of expression.. I think you're descriptions relay your thoughts wonderfully.

I am ready to die.. I think

And Cheers for posting the Terrence vids, facinating stuff

it makes me happy to hear your kind words.

for real. makes me grin. ear to ear.

im glad you found the videos interesting.
cuz i sure did/do.
i have listened to it several times now and there are still a few things I catch.

 

[Swag]

I live for the moment , environmental factors are complete unknown inevitable's so trying to create a planned lay out of an existence we cannot even truly fathom seems almost pointless to me and even if we did find out what happened, what would we truly achieve from it other than ego satisfaction?... Also how do we know the after life is in a constant state of being and is not ever changing like our own current existence? I'm not trying to get cynical or be negative on your views Heartless. From a physical point of view I think your absolutely correct in the thought of reincarnation, whether it happens on a mental/psyche level I'm still skeptical about. An I don't think any amount of psychedelic drug use will make me see otherwise, tbh. I use psychedelics to appreciate "the moment" not search for a better one... but that's just me .

 

[HeatlessBBQ]

I live for the moment , environmental factors are complete unknown inevitable's so trying to create a planned lay out of an existence we cannot even truly fathom seems almost pointless to me and even if we did find out what happened, what would we truly achieve from it other than ego satisfaction?... Also how do we know the after life is in a constant state of being and is not ever changing like our own current existence? I'm not trying to get cynical or be negative on your views Heartless. From a physical point of view I think your absolutely correct in the thought of reincarnation, whether it happens on a mental/psyche level I'm still skeptical about. An I don't think any amount of psychedelic drug use will make me see otherwise, tbh. I use psychedelics to appreciate "the moment" not search for a better one... but that's just me .

you dont know me at all. lol
you cant even get my rollitup user name right.

I'm not trying to get cynical or be negative on your views Heartless.

I live for the moment too.
24/7, bucko.

im posting this thread to get others started.
as am I already accelerating through this path.
as I can see you have realized this and already are on this path...

and i am NOT speaking of reincarnation.
our spirit is still our own individual spirit.
just because you die doesnt mean your spirit is reborn.
SOMEONE ELSES spirit is born. SOMEONE who won't exist for a long time. but they will exist someday.

I just want my other brothers and sisters to realize why we are here.
and get them started down their own path to enlightenment.
THE FIRST STEP TO ENLIGHTENMENT IS REALIZATION.

once you have realized why you are here... (be it psychedelics or not)
you start to live for the moment.
you take advantage of and understand that "anything is possible".
you believe that you will be MORE than a SUCCESS.
it wakes you up and gets you off your lazy pot smoking ass. even when you will still smoke weed. you learn to harness it.
(i am speaking in general)

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$$$ and time are things we dont want but we have to live with.
and once we are done working hard, making all this money and gone through all this time...
we die...

and go onto bigger AND BETTER things.

time and money doesn't exist.
what else doesn't exist....?
and what else DOES exist?...

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everyone trips differently
everyone lives their lives differently.

but i do know for a fact....
that an entheogen CAN be used as a tool to help ANYONE with their lives.
and they WILL teach ANYONE. They will teach you to learn from yourself.

whether YOU like it or not...
and seriously....

what's not to like?!
.
.
.

 

[Swag]

Honestly you appear to have taken my post way too personal... Everything you stated to me I accept regarding entheogens. Sorry but you seem to be waving around a substance as if it is the end all be all key to existence and when I question your belief you appear to be preaching you seemed to fly off the handle a bit and sorry to offend you but that's the kind response I would expect to see from a "hardcore" religious fanatic. Your probably going to get horrible offended by that but without any factual evidence that DMT is linked to the after-life your expressed opinion is just a belief and I will regard it as such until I obtain further factual proof regarding the matter. Did I ever say that entheogens were bad and that they never offered a form of self enlightenment for the user, No. I just attempted to convey that we cannot be certain that they are indeed "portals" to states of an afterlife (a higher state of mental awareness is a different story) as of now and that really a person should not be concerned with the after life regardless, just be as happy as you can with your existence at this moment and experience whatever else the road ahead has to offer with the same attitude. Its kind of like the cliche "If you reminisce to much in the past you'll loose yourself in the present". Though to each his own, I'm not trying to start some heated debate or get flamed by the entire HS section for not conforming to majority widespread belief that DMT is a divine sacrament. I withhold my opinion regarding the substance till I gain more knowledge regarding it through personal and non-personal investigation is all I'm tryin' to say

 

[HeatlessBBQ]

Honestly you appear to have taken my post way too personal... Everything you stated to me I accept regarding entheogens. Sorry but you seem to be waving around a substance as if it is the end all be all key to existence and when I question your belief you appear to be preaching you seemed to fly off the handle a bit and sorry to offend you but that's the kind response I would expect to see from a "hardcore" religious fanatic. Your probably going to get horrible offended by that but without any factual evidence that DMT is linked to the after-life your expressed opinion is just a belief and I will regard it as such until I obtain further factual proof regarding the matter. Did I ever say that entheogens were bad and that they never offered a form of self enlightenment for the user, No. I just attempted to convey that we cannot be certain that they are indeed "portals" to states of an afterlife (a higher state of mental awareness is a different story) as of now and that really a person should not be concerned with the after life regardless, just be as happy as you can with your existence at this moment and experience whatever else the road ahead has to offer with the same attitude. Its kind of like the cliche "If you reminisce to much in the past you'll loose yourself in the present". Though to each his own, I'm not trying to start some heated debate or get flamed by the entire HS section for not conforming to majority widespread belief that DMT is a divine sacrament. I withhold my opinion regarding the substance till I gain more knowledge regarding it through personal and non-personal investigation is all I'm tryin' to say

I appear to have taken your post personally?
only thing I took personally was you mistaking my user name.

all i was doing was adding onto this beautiful thread.

i dont believe I am a religious person.
i think its funny i bring up dying and religion comes up.
I never once brought up religion.
i did however bring up spirituality.

I have not gotten offended one bit by what you have said.
your statements make me think.
but I'd also like, for you to perhaps think about what I am talking about...

I dont know why YOU are taking this all into consideration of YOU.

i want EVERYONE to know this.
because I know how much I benefit from it.
and I'd like to share it with EVERYONE.

but if those do not want to join .
I understand. whats NOT to understand.
its going against whatever you have been taught or raised by.

but someday I will be sitting in my hot tub with my beautiful wife, over looking my gorgeous property of land. with more than enough money in my pocket.
knowing the amazing magic of our world and wonders IT HOLDS...


maybe this "sacrament" should be kept a secret to those who figure it out by themselves.

sorry my brother....I DONT NOT KEEP SECRETS

 

[Swag]

I appear to have taken your post personally?
only thing I took personally was you mistaking my user name.

all i was doing was adding onto this beautiful thread.

i dont believe I am a religious person.
i think its funny i bring up dying and religion comes up.
I never once brought up religion.
i did however bring up spirituality.

I have not gotten offended one bit by what you have said.
your statements make me think.
but I'd also like, for you to perhaps think about what I am talking about...

I dont know why YOU are taking this all into consideration of YOU.

i want EVERYONE to know this.
because I know how much I benefit from it.
and I'd like to share it with EVERYONE.

but if those do not want to join .
I understand. whats NOT to understand.
its going against whatever you have been taught or raised by.

but someday I will be sitting in my hot tub with my beautiful wife, over looking my gorgeous property of land. with more than enough money in my pocket.
knowing the amazing magic of our world and wonders IT HOLDS...


maybe this "sacrament" should be kept a secret to those who figure it out by themselves.

sorry my brother....I DONT NOT KEEP SECRETS

"What do you Think Happen when You Die? "



I give my opinion only to find out the thread is about you conveying what you believe onto other people . Also if you do not hold secrets would you mind explaining to me why you selectively capitalize all the letters of certain words? Rick Strassman's book where he reports follow-up interviews on the subjects who received IV doses of DMT the majority reported that the experience did not in turn effect their long term perception of reality. Tim Leary tried to share his psychedelic experiences with others and the knowledge he gained from them but in the end he failed to "enlighten" the masses because you cannot truly convey any sort of psychedelic experience onto another person as it is a personal experience. "Words are uttered, but fail to enlighten. The things and events which symbols refer belong to mutually exclusive realms of experience". I gave my opinion regarding the use of the drug from a realistic point of view and you seemed not to be interested in it and would rather see the experience from a spiritual perspective and interpret its existence as such. I do think you are incorrect on the fact that you said DMT taught you something, no you taught yourself what you could have all along DMT was just a tool to help you achieve this knowledge... Drugs = Tools, You = existence and the controller of it. I forget who posted it but someone said along the lines that a DMT experience is basically how you interpret it, if you think it is just a chemical reaction taking place in your body than that's all it'll be if you think it is a mystical experience than you will derive spiritual conclusions from it.

 

[Tenner]

I think of myself of a computer of some sort, the off button is death. Its as simple as that. I don`t see anyone fussing about my laptop reaching enlightnment... Laptop? thats not too crazy when you think of the kind with biological processors yet to come...

 

[HeatlessBBQ]

I think of myself of a computer of some sort, the off button is death. Its as simple as that. I don`t see anyone fussing about my laptop reaching enlightnment... Laptop? thats not too crazy when you think of the kind with biological processors yet to come...

haha

your silly tenner

 

[HeatlessBBQ]

"What do you Think Happen when You Die? "



I give my opinion only to find out the thread is about you conveying what you believe onto other people . Also if you do not hold secrets would you mind explaining to me why you selectively capitalize all the letters of certain words? Rick Strassman's book where he reports follow-up interviews on the subjects who received IV doses of DMT the majority reported that the experience did not in turn effect their long term perception of reality. Tim Leary tried to share his psychedelic experiences with others and the knowledge he gained from them but in the end he failed to "enlighten" the masses because you cannot truly convey any sort of psychedelic experience onto another person as it is a personal experience. "Words are uttered, but fail to enlighten. The things and events which symbols refer belong to mutually exclusive realms of experience". I gave my opinion regarding the use of the drug from a realistic point of view and you seemed not to be interested in it and would rather see the experience from a spiritual perspective and interpret its existence as such. I do think you are incorrect on the fact that you said DMT taught you something, no you taught yourself what you could have all along DMT was just a tool to help you achieve this knowledge... Drugs = Tools, You = existence and the controller of it. I forget who posted it but someone said along the lines that a DMT experience is basically how you interpret it, if you think it is just a chemical reaction taking place in your body than that's all it'll be if you think it is a mystical experience than you will derive spiritual conclusions from it.

AFTER smoking dmt....i did research.
LOTS OF IT!

i dont smoke dmt anymore.
because I am not curious with it anymore.
I know what a breakthrough is.
AND IVE NEVER EXPERIENCED ONE!

how is it that I know what a breakthrough on dmt is like when I havent ever expriened one?
its because they are ALL similar in stories.

me smoking dmt = curiosity
curiosity = reserach
research = understanding
thinking + understanding = confirmation


I DO NOT CONDONE SMOKING DMT
in some sorts

but i believe I would not have had the drive to research a breakthrough without smoking it first of all
IS WHAT IM SAYING

 

[Tenner]

haha

your silly tenner

You can put it that way, but I`d rather you call me a daft scientist or something

 

[Swag]

AFTER smoking dmt....i did research.
LOTS OF IT!

i dont smoke dmt anymore.
because I am not curious with it anymore.
I know what a breakthrough is.
AND IVE NEVER EXPERIENCED ONE!

how is it that I know what a breakthrough on dmt is like when I havent ever expriened one?
its because they are ALL similar in stories.

me smoking dmt = curiosity
curiosity = reserach
research = understanding
thinking + understanding = confirmation


I DO NOT CONDONE SMOKING DMT
in some sorts

but i believe I would not have had the drive to research a breakthrough without smoking it first of all
IS WHAT IM SAYING

I first wanna apologize for being such a prick in my last comment, I've been waiting the past two days for my amp. script and the psychological withdrawals I go through when I don't have it just mostly consist of me becoming very easily agitated at... well basically everything. Though that still is not a proper excuse for my rudeness. I think I understand what you are saying, I've been doing research as well. In fact the better part of this past year and the current one has been spent in a social hermit state with the sole purpose of research, though maybe I am researching the wrong subjects or viewing them from a less than enlightening angle . What I wanted to convey was how can you be certain your drawn conclusion is the correct one? An analogy of what I'm trying to say is, I can sit down with you an write down everything you've ever experienced in your life an the emotional feelings and the thoughts you drew from them and than at the end say "Now I know what it is like to be you". Though I don't, I will never know what it is like to be you because only you do because only you truly experienced the state of being you. In the same why we can deeply contemplate on the meaning and conclusion of our existence and the after life but without actually going through the complete experience of "crossing over" our beliefs can extend no further than that and cannot be 100% verified as correct. Though maybe I'm missing something... if I am feel free to point me in a general direction if ya would? (No sarcasm intended)

 

[sso]

..ive done some researching, experimenting, astral traveling and stuff, most sober.

comparing that research to other research.

ive come to this conclusion. there is life after death, there are many worlds (both here and there) dimensions.
there is also rebirth.

funnily, by account of a person whose experiences many of whom match mine rather nicely.

many people who believe they sleep after death (waiting for doomsday and that hornblast, believers of the old testament for example)
in fact, do so, just lie there and sleep, despite other spirits attempts to wake them.

so i wonder, if it is the same for the "computer" guys, will they just go to sleep, waiting for someone to push that "on button" ?

and i wonder if there is any... lol

 

[tinyTURTLE]

when i die i will be missed.
that's all that really matters.
anything beyond that is
neat to think about, but invariably
remains a mystery.