Ron Paul June 5 Money Bomb

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Carthoris

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irony, i fucking love it.

i was not mocking anyone's political views. i was mocking the fantastical claim that ron paul would lower my taxes, give me a raise, make it easier to get a job, start my small business, i will prosper, and big brother will lose.

i tend to do the same thing when people tell fantastical falsehoods, as so often happens nowadays. like death panels.
Maybe if you don't want to be an actual part of a discussion you should fuck off and find something else to do? How do you think it would look if I went to a "Soil is the best way to grow" post and started spamming pages of stupid shit?

I guess I understand why you did it - I suppose if I thought going to an Obama is awesome thread and calling him a Kenyan terrorist and saying he wanted to implement Sharia law in the US helped my party, I might do it too.

I think the big thing is you know Obama can't win against Ron in a general election. I can see why it bothers you.
 

UncleBuck

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Its a simple fact UncleBuck, this idea is what Ron Paul's philosophy is about, it sums it up pretty well: Less Taxes, Higher wages, better opportunities for small business to thrive, more jobs, the people do prosper with his ideas this is his ideal outcome. I didn't mean to say that all of that will definitely happen or to insinuate that it is going to happen instantly but this is the truth of what Ron Paul stands for.
who in their right mind stands AGAINST such things? that would be like opposing happiness, or fluffy puppies.
 

UncleBuck

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Maybe if you don't want to be an actual part of a discussion you should fuck off and find something else to do? How do you think it would look if I went to a "Soil is the best way to grow" post and started spamming pages of stupid shit?

I guess I understand why you did it - I suppose if I thought going to an Obama is awesome thread and calling him a Kenyan terrorist and saying he wanted to implement Sharia law in the US helped my party, I might do it too.

I think the big thing is you know Obama can't win against Ron in a general election. I can see why it bothers you.
go check realclearpolitics or pollster, or reality. paul can not win. we all know it.
 

Parker

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Its a simple fact UncleBuck, this idea is what Ron Paul's philosophy is about, it sums it up pretty well: Less Taxes, Higher wages, better opportunities for small business to thrive, more jobs, the people do prosper with his ideas this is his ideal outcome. I didn't mean to say that all of that will definitely happen or to insinuate that it is going to happen instantly but this is the truth of what Ron Paul stands for.
yep check his record he has always voted for lower taxes. He will vote for a new tax bill only if the tax will cost the people less money than the current tax does.
 

Carthoris

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

According to this Paul is right there with Romney when it comes to going up against the president. In the poll Obama is up by 8% on Ron Paul, however that is with 85-90% choosing and 10 percent undecided. There is a couple % error in there. To claim Obama victory would be a bit premature.Also, there are still people who don't know Ron Paul or his message. All Republicans will vote Ron Paul simply to vote against Obama, but I think there is an entire subclass of democrats who would vote Ron Paul.

Ron Paul only has name recognition in the 70s. Obama has 100%. During a general election it would be even with Obama for name recognition. Ron Paul would make Obama look like a dumbass over and over in debates. He would get a lot of young peoples votes simply from being pro legalization. A lot of people in a poll, faced with a bland but palatable choice and a name they don't recognize will go for the palatable choice. How many independents of those 30% would vote Ron Paul if they knew him? What about the 10-15% without a decision? Obviously they don't like Obama, they know him already and don't like him enough to give him their thumbs up in the poll.

To pretend 8% is undoable is ignorant. Especially considering that 2 of the most populous states will be overwhelmingly Obama. Also, plan on Obama losing most support of the military when running against Paul. It all adds up to a tough election for Obama if Paul wins the primary. Hell, Obama might not even be able to beat Romney.

Almost every thing Obama ran for in 2008 never happened or was a farce.
 

txhazard

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ron paul will also personally clean your garage once a month and suck your cock.
Yeah okay your not mocking...really man we get it, you do not like/support Ron Paul. Thats fine, again, its okay to disagree. You just hopped on here and opened up with the above quote. If you dont like Ron Paul make a thread for you and those of similar mind to discuss the many ways to disagree with our "Cult of Liberty". I just dont understand you not adding anything useful to the conversation, tell us why you oppose Ron and why you do not agree with him, withoutt spewing off profanities.
 

Dan Kone

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The right believes in controlling your personal life. The left believes in controlling your financial life (and being safety nannies in your personal life.)
That's all about how you framed the argument. You put liberals and conservatives in the worst possible light and libertarians in the best. That's just a cheap trick. I can do the same thing.

Liberals believe in protecting the citizens of America ahead of multinational corporate profits. Libertarians believe in letting corporations control America and letting them exploit the American people.

Libertarians believe that the government isn't here to control our lives. How is that extreme or to the right? Republicans bash us as too liberal, and Democrats bash us as too conservative. Do you know what that makes us? Centrists.
No, it doesn't. Republicans might think you're socially too liberal, but fiscally you are waaaay to the right of republicans.
 

Carthoris

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That's all about how you framed the argument. You put liberals and conservatives in the worst possible light and libertarians in the best. That's just a cheap trick. I can do the same thing.

Liberals believe in protecting the citizens of America ahead of multinational corporate profits. Libertarians believe in letting corporations control America and letting them exploit the American people.



No, it doesn't. Republicans might think you're socially too liberal, but fiscally you are waaaay to the right of republicans.
Socially, Libertarians are to the left of a lot of Democrats.
Financially, Libertarians are in the ball park with Republicans.


The libertarians might be right of the Neo-Con's in the republican party. Consequently, you realize the Neo-Cons are democrats who left the democrat party in recent history, right? They aren't actually Republicans, they just chose to change sides.

Neoconservatism in the United States is a branch of American Conservatism that is most known for its advocacy of using American economic and military power to promote liberal democracy in other countries. The movement emerged during the early 1970s among Democrats who disagreed with the party's growing opposition to the Vietnam War and had become skeptical of the Great Society's welfare programs. Although neoconservatives generally endorse free-market economics, they often believe cultural and moral issues to be more significant, and so have tended to be less thoroughgoing in opposition to government intervention in society than more traditionally conservative and libertarian members of the Republican Party.[1][2]
 

deprave

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Yeah okay your not mocking...really man we get it, you do not like/support Ron Paul. Thats fine, again, its okay to disagree. You just hopped on here and opened up with the above quote. If you dont like Ron Paul make a thread for you and those of similar mind to discuss the many ways to disagree with our "Cult of Liberty". I just dont understand you not adding anything useful to the conversation, tell us why you oppose Ron and why you do not agree with him, withoutt spewing off profanities.
its because we have hashed this out over and over, their whole arguments amount to conspiracy theories and deception, like I have laid out simply, they know that they can't just make stuff up when other posters and I are here debunking their bullshit every step of the way, I thought they ran out of conspiracy theories till dan came up with the free trade and outsourcing bullshit in this thread, it seems they have resorted to behaving like children throwing fits of rage as all their wild conspiracy theories are currently debunked until they come up with some new ones. Before you know it they will be claiming Ron Paul is one of those lizard people and posting videos with broken pixels proving it.
 
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