Silver! Who Is On This Train?

beardo

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Silver prices are going to double by new years, they brought on an artificial 'crash' and hyped how their was a bubble and a crash and liquidation of gold and silver, they used the paper market to manipulate price and all they could do was to bring it down to 30$- Briefly. It's about to skyrocket
 

mame

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I'm thinking about getting a couple grand into silver with as low as it is ATM, but I'm not 100% sure yet. I guess I'll do some more research but Silver is def. one of the investments I've been considering... I really want to get into commodity, stocks and bond markets... start building a portfolio and whatnot...
Silver has historically always traded at a ratio of 15 to 1 Vs Gold, gold is now $1500 therefore silver SHOULD be at $100 an ounce at this very minute. It is highly manipulated, the price will overshoot, I see an easy $140 an ounce within 2 years,perhaps sooner if the Comex cannot keep up with demand for physical.
It's comments like this are making feel like an idiot for having not gotten into investing yet.
 
silver is on a self-perpetuating growth bubble due to market instability spooking investors. Everyone knows this but they think they will know the right time to get out before the price re-adjusts. Too risky right now, I expect a drop after 2012
 

NoDrama

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Are the maples/eagles worth the extra money?

Or is it ok to buy the cheaper bars/rounds?
Maples and Eagles are legal tender as money, money cannot be taxed, so you save a shitload in taxes if you acquire a bunch. For those who can afford thousands of ounces at a time they are worth it, for those who cannot and can sell less than $9k at a time when they go to sell, well then you aren't paying taxes either most likely.
 

NoDrama

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silver is on a self-perpetuating growth bubble due to market instability spooking investors. Everyone knows this but they think they will know the right time to get out before the price re-adjusts. Too risky right now, I expect a drop after 2012
Self Perpetuating eh? where did you pick that little euphemism up at? The reason silver is going up all the time is because of supply/demand issues. Basically there isn't enough silver, they have mined less than they have used for 30 years now, silver isn't a precious metal like gold. Silver has a huge industrial use, in fact 70% of all the silver mined is used for industry. Silver is VERY useful and there are current;y over 10,000 items that must have silver to operate as there is no substitute for the metal other than gold and platinum, and those cost even more. Silver was going up before the bust of 2008, during market peaks. silver is also going up with inflation. I can't see one thing other than manipulation by a few TBTF banks that could hurt the price. The Dollar will not get stronger over the medium to long term, inflation is not all of a sudden going to stop, QE3 is baked into the cake, marginal real world interest rates are negative, all of those things are fundamentally bullish for Precious Metals without the Supply/demand equation.

I expect prices to rise considerably after this summer.
 

guy incognito

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Silver has historically always traded at a ratio of 15 to 1 Vs Gold, gold is now $1500 therefore silver SHOULD be at $100 an ounce at this very minute. It is highly manipulated, the price will overshoot, I see an easy $140 an ounce within 2 years, perhaps sooner if the Comex cannot keep up with demand for physical.
By the same logic can't you say gold SHOULD be $450/oz and silver is already correct?
 

NoDrama

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By the same logic can't you say gold SHOULD be $450/oz and silver is already correct?
Well if you want to talk about values of commodities that are valuable. silver is way more valuable than gold, gold hardly has any uses other than money. Above Ground there is more refined gold than there is silver. All known stockpiles of silver world-wide come to about 1 billion ounces, while the gold market has known above ground stockpiles of 5.12 Billion Ounces. In other words, refined silver is 75 times more rare than it was in 1964 when there was 5 billion ounces of silver stockpiled in the USA alone and only 2.1 billion ounces of gold worldwide. In 1964 Gold was $35/ounce and Silver was $1.29/ounce. In 1980 Gold was $850 and ounce and silver was $50. Thirty years later silver is $35 an ounce and gold is $1500. Somethings not right.

Every known modern electerical appliance, cell phone, television, Ipod, Ipad, or car is absolutely dependent on silver to function, without silver the modern world is nearly impossible as the only substitutes for it are many times more rare.

Take into the devaluation of the dollar and Gold should actually be closer to $5000 an ounce right now.


These people know a whole lot more about silver than i do, and they think its going to go to $1500 an ounce. Will that happen? I don't know.

[video=youtube;rH0iAYtYKnA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH0iAYtYKnA&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 

dannyboy602

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I made more in stocks this past year like apple and ZAGG and polypore. I have almost 400oz silver. I have no intentions of getting rid of it in my lifetime.
 

newworldicon

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That refers to paper trading, doesn't it? I don't believe that it means coin dealers.
You would need to look at the Frank-Dodd act to see what it entirely encompasses but I can assume that trading of physical would follow suite in due course, although it is not law here in the UK.....now if I want to buy physical I have to furnish personal details whereas in the past I never had to. The net is closing in on people every day.
 

NoDrama

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That refers to paper trading, doesn't it? I don't believe that it means coin dealers.
It only refers to people who cannot purchase a single Contract. A single contract is a Minimum of 5000 ounces of silver (about $200,000). Either you have big bucks or you can no longer play. You will still be able to buy bullion.

Henceforth People can no longer contract with whomever they wish, the Government will now tell you who you may or may not contract with.
 

NoDrama

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Supply and Demand - Silver[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Silver demand is growing by double-digit percentages, being led primarily by industrial uses and investment demand. The Silver Institute does a fine job of tracking and reporting on these matters.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]First, demand:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Total fabrication demand grew by 12.8 percent to a 10-year high of 878.8 Moz in 2010; this surge was led by the industrial demand category. Last year, silver's use in industrial applications grew by 20.7 percent to 487.4 Moz, nearly recovering all the recession-induced losses in 2009, and is now seeing pronounced advances in 2011. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jewelry posted a gain of 5.1 percent, the first substantial rise since 2003, primarily due to strong GDP gains in emerging markets and the industrialized world's improving economic picture. Photography fell by 6.6 Moz, realizing its smallest loss in nine years, as medical centers deferred conversion to digital systems. Silverware demand fell to 50.3 Moz from 58.2 Moz in 2009, essentially due to lower demand in India.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now, supply:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Silver Production 2010[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Silver mine production rose by 2.5 percent to 735.9 Moz in 2010 aided by new projects in Mexico and Argentina. Gains came from primary silver mines and as a by-product of lead/zinc mining activity, whereas silver volumes produced as a by-product of gold fell 4 percent last year.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mexico eclipsed Peru as the world's largest silver producing country in 2010, and Peru is followed by China, Australia and Chile. Global primary silver supply recorded a 5 percent increase to account for 30 percent of total mine production in 2010.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We are comparing double-digit demand increases against low single-digit supply increases.
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fdd2blk

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i have a huge silver coin i burn in my torch to fume glass with.

i have a container of silver nitrate as well. it fumes even better then the coin.

up in smoke. :cool:
 
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