Using "uncooked" super soil straight up?

[WeedFreak78]

Wondering if anyones done this and how it worked out? I got all blazed, mixed up some kinda-like-super soil(was short on a few things) - let it sit for a week(though that was the instructions-Im not going by memory anymore lol) then planted- surrounded plants with cut 50%SS/50%base soil, then filled the pot with full strength.everything looking good-growth of 1-2" a day so far green and lush. Just wondering on others experiences.

 

[vapor85]

I have done it once and found no negative affects to the plants. But it's obviously not a good idea considering some of the amendments added will need a bit of time to become available to plant roots.

 

[WeedFreak78]

They seem to be liking it,been in almost 2weeks now and more than doubled in size. Not sure if the roots have made it into the "hot" stuff yet but I'm assuming they probably have.

 

[coben]

ive used it right after mixing and than I had some left over;the super soil I had left over was used a few weeks later and had a little faster veg and the plants were overall stronger.

 

[Corbat420]

I have done it once and found no negative affects to the plants. But it's obviously not a good idea considering some of the amendments added will need a bit of time to become available to plant roots.

this is the only problem i have found. but i know how to conquer it

add Gypsum instead of Epsom Salts and add a little Glacial rock dust to activate it even faster. water with kelp extract for teh first watering the roots hit the hot soil, this will take care of teh trace minerals for the first little bit. FLUSH YOUR PLANT OFTEN! the dolomite lime will turn into ammonia (NH3) for the first month or so.

 

[Shwagbag]

this is the only problem i have found. but i know how to conquer it

add Gypsum instead of Epsom Salts and add a little Glacial rock dust to activate it even faster. water with kelp extract for teh first watering the roots hit the hot soil, this will take care of teh trace minerals for the first little bit. FLUSH YOUR PLANT OFTEN! the dolomite lime will turn into ammonia (NH3) for the first month or so.

Flushing an organic medium intended to provide feedings for 8-12 weeks doesn't seem like a good idea in my cab.

I've am using uncooked SS for several plants in my boxes now and they absolutely love it. The big batch is ready but I simply could not wait to try it!

 

[Corbat420]

"flushing" when using an organic medium isnt the same as flushing with soilless mix. it simpley means you water with only clean water for an extra watering or to to allow the plant to absorb nutrient build-up and avoid nutrient lockout.

i totaly agree that doing a complete flush would be a bad idea, and a waste.....

oh, and the reason i say this is i stack ferts on top of my SS to get maximum absorption or every nutrient available to teh plant. is just using straight SS then it would kind of defeat the purpose

 

[chronic coinoisseur]

I believe I read a post from sub awhile back that said his newest findings were showing that the longer the soil was cooked the more positively plants were responding to it, just a thought but probably due to the increase in microbial life, not to say that people cant have great results from uncooked as you are experiencing

 

[Corbat420]

I believe I read a post from sub awhile back that said his newest findings were showing that the longer the soil was cooked the more positively plants were responding to it, just a thought but probably due to the increase in microbial life, not to say that people cant have great results from uncooked as you are experiencing

yes cooking the soil for longer increases microbial life and lowers the amonia nitrate level of the soil, as the beneficial microbes break down amonia. you can do essentialy the same thing faster through using compost teas but Sub's soil is meant to be able to fully sustain a plant for long periods of time with little to no feeding.

 

[randomseed]

Ive used it day of and Ive used it after cooking, either way it works. Cant really say if one worked that much better however, didnt keep good enough notes.

 

[TheOrganic]

Nice turn on using SS soil off the bat. But seems like letting it cook seems 2 be the safest way.
Unless you know your strain and play around with it.
Kingkush has that 225gal smart pot thread I think and he had some steam coming out of his pot after mixing, But thats a lot of mix compared 2 others......but thats the amonia coming out and that is cooking soil right?

 

[kushking42]

the chicken manure in the re-amended soil was steaming. subcools super soil is "hot" as in high e.c., but chicken manure is literally hot to the touch for several weeks, thus forcing you to wait til transplant.

 

[mattman]

could you put the soil in a oven at low temp for an hour or two to speed up the process?

 

[Corbat420]

LOL thats not what we mean by cooking..... there are 3 different kinds of cooking soil.

#1 ovens, to kill parasites and bacteria......
#2 "cooking" manure. letting it sit for 12+ months to degrade. manure produces heat and "cooks" its self. you can see manure piles steaming in the winter....
#3 cooking "hot" soil. hot in this case means it has ammonia nitrates present in the soil. ammonia damages the root hairs if there is too much of it. dolomite lime (or sweet lime) produces ammonia as it degrades, there for letting it sit for a month or more is generally a very good thing because the bacteria in good organic soils breaks ammonia nitrates down into fixed nitrogen.

you want to do #3 for subs soil. everything else is already done for you in the factories with the nutes.

 

[Shwagbag]

LOL thats not what we mean by cooking..... there are 3 different kinds of cooking soil.

#1 ovens, to kill parasites and bacteria......
#2 "cooking" manure. letting it sit for 12+ months to degrade. manure produces heat and "cooks" its self. you can see manure piles steaming in the winter....
#3 cooking "hot" soil. hot in this case means it has ammonia nitrates present in the soil. ammonia damages the root hairs if there is too much of it. dolomite lime (or sweet lime) produces ammonia as it degrades, there for letting it sit for a month or more is generally a very good thing because the bacteria in good organic soils breaks ammonia nitrates down into fixed nitrogen.

you want to do #3 for subs soil. everything else is already done for you in the factories with the nutes.

Definitely makes sense, my uncooked has worked great but I didn't go with a large enough container and my EC is about 600 on my runoff. Had to start feeding at about 21-28 days into flower. I grew concerned when the flower development was so slooooooow. Luscious green beautiful plants though. Definitely go with a 7 gallon if you can!

 

[WeedFreak78]

Just an update,plants are doing great,big,bushy,GREEN!!Seems the uncooked soil is ok.Now will cooking it make more nutes avail? I dont know but Im guessing yes. I have about 10gals left Ill use next year,see how it works.

 

[NorCalTransplant]

Just an update,plants are doing great,big,bushy,GREEN!!Seems the uncooked soil is ok.Now will cooking it make more nutes avail? I dont know but Im guessing yes. I have about 10gals left Ill use next year,see how it works.

Yes if you let everything compost longer more will be available for the plant to use.

 

[jtrbushes]

I used uncooked super soil once and it burned the living shit out of my plants. I guess your mileage may vary, but I recommend always composting your concentrate for at least a month.

 

[Corbat420]

simpley put. yes cooking makes much more of the nutrients available to the plant. especialy if you purposley feed the bacteria (comp tea..)

 

[mattman]

LOL thats not what we mean by cooking..... there are 3 different kinds of cooking soil.

#1 ovens, to kill parasites and bacteria......
#2 "cooking" manure. letting it sit for 12+ months to degrade. manure produces heat and "cooks" its self. you can see manure piles steaming in the winter....
#3 cooking "hot" soil. hot in this case means it has ammonia nitrates present in the soil. ammonia damages the root hairs if there is too much of it. dolomite lime (or sweet lime) produces ammonia as it degrades, there for letting it sit for a month or more is generally a very good thing because the bacteria in good organic soils breaks ammonia nitrates down into fixed nitrogen.

you want to do #3 for subs soil. everything else is already done for you in the factories with the nutes.

thx for clearing that up, I was just thinking at a very low temp in the oven could possibly speed it up. Alot of the organisms in there like the warm temp, but like you said there is alot of other factors in there.