DWC Scrog Throwdown Growdown 2011

[rayishungry]

WOW PChild. Sucks you wasted all your time. It's not the cheapest hobby. You always gotta buy something. Get some garden rope and pvc, or chicken wire, or home depot sells netting that's perfect. Do whatever you want, but do it right so you don't have to do it again.

And 4tatude nice stuff. My last grow my screen was at 12 inches, Blu is doing 7 in, what do you think? What does everyone think? Right now my screen is a few inchs above where the plants will be, should I raise it, leave it?

I installed the screen today. LST is not my thing I don't guess. Lol! Train these babies to the screen.
Carefully remove the male if there is one when I switch to 12/12. Hoping for 3 females though
Screen is 7 inches above cooler and light is 16 inches above the screen

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[BluBerry]

And 4tatude nice stuff. My last grow my screen was at 12 inches, Blu is doing 7 in, what do you think? What does everyone think? Right now my screen is a few inchs above where the plants will be, should I raise it, leave it?

I set it at 8 inches when I re installed the screen yesterday.
I think you will be pleased with the results of the lower screen as you will not cut nearly as much off of the undergrowth.
I say leave it, but do as you please. As long as you are able to mess around under there a little bit then you are fine.
One way to look at it for me is that if it is lower.
Then I have less access and more likely to just let them grow and not mess with them.
I say 12 inches as a maximum screen height. Anything else is merely for bud support and is not really a scrog anyways. IMO

 

[BluBerry]

Babies are back to healthy. Now time to get things rollin.
As you can see from my pics that with the lower screen height of 8 inches.
Even my lower branches are going to make it thru the screen resulting in more budz and less undergrowth cutoff.
IMO the undergrowth cutting is a waste of time and budz.

 

[Psychild]

psychild
here is an example of a scrog screen at work. notice the frame that supports the wire screen, the heigth from plants that allow access to pull or tuck growth under screen. notice how all growth is kept under the screen while screen is being filled. once your like 80% full flip and train for additional week or 2 to finish out scrog. once its full as you need just let them go on and grow through. the result is a very even canopy that utilizes all available light. little if any light is lost from towering buds shading lesser bud sites resulting in optimum yields per watt.
hope this helps you understand the mechanics behind scrog.

edit i prefer larger holes like 4x4inches, makes it easier to shape scrog without damaging bud sites. with this size screen i can tuck n pull every 2 or 3 days without damaging plants...jmo to each his/her own

I appreciate it! I know everyone thinks my screen looks ridiculous Lol, and it is...but there's more to my screen than just what ya'll can see in the pictures √√ I have the screen held in position by a cardboard (Yes I know I said cardboard) frame which has weights holding in down. Also, I have already grown out this strain before and came up with this from LST



Even the biggest buds were only the size of a Bic Lighter, so I'm pretty confident that the screen I have here will be wide enough to fit my growths through. Also, I remember reading where somebody said I won't be getting enough light penetration through the screen because of how thick the pipe cleaner is. I'm not real worried about that either because I have side lighting above and below the screen √. The girl that is underneath the screen is actually starting her 3rd week of flower now, and I don't plan on her stretching anymore. From this point on it should be nothing but bud growth.

Let me know if there's anything else I should consider √√

Thanks for all the help guys.

 

[Psychild]

I forgot to mention that I wasn't trying to have a perfect SCROG, and I'm in no means looking for highest yield....I'm just looking to get the general hang of a SCROG, that way when I'm able to do a "real" scrog, I will be able to have it perfected. (I might be forced to move in August.) Basically this is just here for me to say it's possible, and can give me a very very basic goal to achieve on a later grow.

 

[4tatude]

I forgot to mention that I wasn't trying to have a perfect SCROG, and I'm in no means looking for highest yield....I'm just looking to get the general hang of a SCROG, that way when I'm able to do a "real" scrog, I will be able to have it perfected. (I might be forced to move in August.) Basically this is just here for me to say it's possible, and can give me a very very basic goal to achieve on a later grow.

psychild
its all good bro, we all have different ways of doing, point is to do it even if we are wrong... then you will see what went wrong n fix it the next go. 10 people will do 10 dif ways n not 1 is wrong, its what you like n believe in.. nuf said

 

[Psychild]

psychild
its all good bro, we all have different ways of doing, point is to do it even if we are wrong... then you will see what went wrong n fix it the next go. 10 people will do 10 dif ways n not 1 is wrong, its what you like n believe in.. nuf said

Yeah, I figure somebody's gotta be the guy on the internet to show everybody what not to do, I might as well contribute √√

 

[rayishungry]

I just finished my cab....well when is anything ever really finished? I moved my Blue Chz and SLH to flower under a MH for 2 weeks, then I'll move my WRussian to flower so I can harvest every few weeks. Then I'll switch to HPS. My Blue Chz is looking dope, and I'm glad my SLH is fairly small. Sorry but I'll have to tease you and show pictures later....Thursday I'll post them.

Real Quick, Should I just use my HPS since I'll be vegging under CFLS from now on, or should I switch the bulbs every week or every few days to get veg and flower? Help me out please. Thanks.

 

[4tatude]

I just finished my cab....well when is anything ever really finished? I moved my Blue Chz and SLH to flower under a MH for 2 weeks, then I'll move my WRussian to flower so I can harvest every few weeks. Then I'll switch to HPS. My Blue Chz is looking dope, and I'm glad my SLH is fairly small. Sorry but I'll have to tease you and show pictures later....Thursday I'll post them.

Real Quick, Should I just use my HPS since I'll be vegging under CFLS from now on, or should I switch the bulbs every week or every few days to get veg and flower? Help me out please. Thanks.

ray are you veging n flowering under the same light n same room? if so that will not work. flower 12/12 veg will require at least 18 hrs n preferably 20, or even 24 hrs per day. i have vegged with hps but only cause i had nothing else. i prefer cfl in veg n hps in flower jmo

maby im notfollowing what your puting down, please clerafy

duh i just read it again n it made sense lol just hps will be fine ray, sorry i misunderstood 1st time

 

[4tatude]

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[rayishungry]

All I gotta do is put black plastic around the edges to seal any cracks of light getting out. I'm using 250 right now instead of 400W as it keeps the heat to about 80F and I can drop it really low. And 4T, 2 chambers, 1 for veg and clones and 1 for flowering. Should I just ditch the MH then and go with HPS? I shouldn't mix them up on 12/12?
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[BluBerry]

HPS will work for veg or flower but is better than the MH if used during flower.
MH will produce shorter stockier plants during veg than the HPS.
The MH blue spectrum is not needed as much during flowering as the HPS red spectrum.
I prefer to use the HPS for flowering as you will get better results. I wouldn't switch lights back and forth tho.
As far as light getting out. That is a concern but it's more of a concern if light gets in the flowering chamber.
I might be missing what you're wanting to know.

Couple concerns of mine: (Don't take offense)
Might wanna raise your water level..Ropey roots are a sign.
If the level is higher then you will grow thick roots instead of ropey roots.
What is causing the soapy looking bubbles in your rez?
Might wanna secure your screen to a frame or something and raise it up just a little.
They are very healthy looking. Keep up the good work

 

[BluBerry]

Notice the thicker roots as opposed to ropey roots.
The water level is like an inch below the pots.
Keep rooter plugs from getting soaked though or you will have issues like I did.
They say to make the roots reach for water.
That is true but then you have one main root that thickens up and supplies the plant.
This way all the roots do their job.
I have been having self made issues. Or these roots would be massive

 

[rosecitypapa]

If you switch to MH during the last two weeks of flower you will increase the potency of your gear. Better still is to use dedicated reptile lights that provide uvb.

 

[rayishungry]

So....ok, I will ONLY be vegging with CFLs. I was wondering when flowering, should I switch between the HPS and MH? I know HPS is for flowering, that's basic, I was just wanting to know if I should use both to promote veg growth while in flower. I'll ditch the MH and keep it as a backup if the HPS goes out and I can't pick one up quick.

My water isn't soapy, it's a shit ton of bubbles. My pump is rated for like 900gallons, and is in 1.5 with 6 airstones. And I guess I'll throw some more water in there to promote root growth. I was always told the roots just have to reach the water and fully submerged roots could cause root rot.

And as for light leaks, I don't want light coming out because I don't want questions. It's just to keep things hidden and quiet. Thanks Blu for the help and info.

 

[Psychild]

So....ok, I will ONLY be vegging with CFLs. I was wondering when flowering, should I switch between the HPS and MH? I know HPS is for flowering, that's basic, I was just wanting to know if I should use both to promote veg growth while in flower. I'll ditch the MH and keep it as a backup if the HPS goes out and I can't pick one up quick.

My water isn't soapy, it's a shit ton of bubbles. My pump is rated for like 900gallons, and is in 1.5 with 6 airstones. And I guess I'll throw some more water in there to promote root growth. I was always told the roots just have to reach the water and fully submerged roots could cause root rot.

And as for light leaks, I don't want light coming out because I don't want questions. It's just to keep things hidden and quiet. Thanks Blu for the help and info.

Just use the HPS...your definitely better off doing that during flower.

You probably won't have to worry about root rot with that many bubbles Lol...put em in the water!

 

[4tatude]

So....ok, I will ONLY be vegging with CFLs. I was wondering when flowering, should I switch between the HPS and MH? I know HPS is for flowering, that's basic, I was just wanting to know if I should use both to promote veg growth while in flower. I'll ditch the MH and keep it as a backup if the HPS goes out and I can't pick one up quick.

My water isn't soapy, it's a shit ton of bubbles. My pump is rated for like 900gallons, and is in 1.5 with 6 airstones. And I guess I'll throw some more water in there to promote root growth. I was always told the roots just have to reach the water and fully submerged roots could cause root rot.

And as for light leaks, I don't want light coming out because I don't want questions. It's just to keep things hidden and quiet. Thanks Blu for the help and info.

ray
some run the mh 2 weeks in to flower to help veg same as with nutes firtst 2 weeks or so, then hps n flower nutes as by then flowering is happening n they need the spectrum of light the hps provides.
re: the root rot, the rot occurs when the plant is submurged in water without oxygen saturation, actually drowning the root. with plenty of air going in to the medium you will have no problem. hope this helps bro...

 

[BluBerry]

You can fully submerge roots. I don't recommend it if using rooter plugs or rockwool tho.
Simply because they will stay soaked and may cause rot. Which is what my problem was.
I have a rooter in the net pot pictured and my level is about an inch below.
Not saying it has to be that level tho. Thats just what works for me.
My clone does not have a rooter and I put the water level just above the net pot.
Good rule is to have have at least half of your roots in the water.
I have seen others kill their crop by running out of water from having the water level too low.
Not saying that will happen but it could.
Especially with thick healthy roots drinking 1-3 gallons of water a day.
Just looked soapy looking from the pics. Thought it may have been from nutes.
That is lots of bubble action tho.

 

[4tatude]

HPS will work for veg or flower but is better than the MH if used during flower.
MH will produce shorter stockier plants during veg than the HPS.
The MH blue spectrum is not needed as much during flowering as the HPS red spectrum.
I prefer to use the HPS for flowering as you will get better results. I wouldn't switch lights back and forth tho.
As far as light getting out. That is a concern but it's more of a concern if light gets in the flowering chamber.
I might be missing what you're wanting to know.

Couple concerns of mine: (Don't take offense)
Might wanna raise your water level..Ropey roots are a sign.
If the level is higher then you will grow thick roots instead of ropey roots.
What is causing the soapy looking bubbles in your rez?
Might wanna secure your screen to a frame or something and raise it up just a little.
They are very healthy looking. Keep up the good work

well put my friend...

 

[BluBerry]

As far as the MH and HPS.
If you could run them both in there during flowering then that would be awesome and greatly increase your yield potential