Youtube Video "Proving Cannabis Is Harmful"

born2killspam

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Cannabinoids
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/17

As evolution proceeded, the role that the cannabinoid system played in animal life continuously increased. It is now known that this system maintains homeostasis within and across the organizational scales of all animals. Within a cell, cannabinoids control basic metabolic processes such as glucose metabolism [17]. Cannabinoids regulate intercellular communication, especially in the immune [18] and nervous systems [19]. In general, cannabinoids modulate and coordinate tissues, organ and body systems (including the cardiovascular [20], digestive [16], endocrine [21], excretory [22,23], immune [18], musculo-skeletal [24], nervous [19], reproductive [25], and respiratory [26] systems).

The homeostatic action of cannabinoids on so many physiological structures and processes is the basis for the hypothesis that the endocannabinoid system is nothing less than a naturally evolved harm reduction system. Endocannabinoids protect by fine-tuning and regulating dynamic biochemical steady states within the ranges required for healthy biological function. The endocannabinoid system itself appears to be up- or down-regulated as a function of need. As will be detailed later in this article, endocannabinoid levels naturally increase in the case of head injury and stroke [28], and the number of cannabinoid receptors increases in response to nerve injury and the associated pain [29]. In contrast, the number of cannabinoid receptors is reduced when tolerance to cannabinoids is induced [30].

When a body is physically damaged, the endocannabinoids are called on to reduce inflammation, protect neurons [136], regulate cardiac rhythms [137] and protect the heart form oxygen deprivation [20]. In humans suffering from colorectal cancer, endocannabinoid levels are elevated in an effort to control the cancer [74]. They help relieve emotional suffering by reducing pain and facilitating movement beyond the fears of unpleasant memories [119].

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You do realize that 'endocannabinoids' are endogenous cannabinoids right?? That means cannabinoids that are produced by your body and not introduced to it??
Your blurb seems to indicate that such a system will work best if left untampered with..
 

born2killspam

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You do realize that 'endocannabinoids' are endogenous cannabinoids right?? That means cannabinoids that are produced by your body and not introduced to it??
Your blurb seems to indicate that such a system will work best if left untampered with..
And for the record, I smoke weed.. I'm just not retarded enough to claim that I do it for my health, because in reality I personally do it to get high.. It might improve certain ppl's health, but I'm not one of them.. I guess that puts me in the same boat as 95% of the ppl who possess med-cards..
 

MomaPug

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How about some real research?

Smoking marijuana won't give you lung cancer
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le1930669/

Smoking marijuana doesn't boost your chances of getting lung cancer, even if you're a long-time, heavy dope user, according to a new study.

The U.S. researchers were surprised by their findings, presented this week at a conference of the American Thoracic Society in San Diego. They had expected the controversial weed would jack up cancer risk, just like smoking tobacco.

In fact, previous studies have shown that marijuana tar contains 50 per cent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer, compared with tobacco, said lead researcher Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles. What's more, marijuana smokers hold their breath about four times longer than tobacco consumers, allowing more time for the hazardous particles to deposit in the lungs.

Even so, the study of more than 2,000 people with different smoking habits found no link between dope smoking and lung, head or neck cancers.

Dr. Tashkin speculates that THC, a chemical in marijuana smoke, "may encourage aging cells to die earlier and therefore be less likely to undergo cancerous transformation."

Despite the reassuring findings, Dr. Tashkin isn't encouraging people to light up a joint. "I wouldn't give any smoke substance a clean bill of health," he told Bloomberg News. There is still reason to believe dope might contribute to other lung ailments such as bronchitis and respiratory infections.
 

born2killspam

Well-Known Member
How about some real research?

Smoking marijuana won't give you lung cancer
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le1930669/

Smoking marijuana doesn't boost your chances of getting lung cancer, even if you're a long-time, heavy dope user, according to a new study.

The U.S. researchers were surprised by their findings, presented this week at a conference of the American Thoracic Society in San Diego. They had expected the controversial weed would jack up cancer risk, just like smoking tobacco.

In fact, previous studies have shown that marijuana tar contains 50 per cent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer, compared with tobacco, said lead researcher Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles. What's more, marijuana smokers hold their breath about four times longer than tobacco consumers, allowing more time for the hazardous particles to deposit in the lungs.

Even so, the study of more than 2,000 people with different smoking habits found no link between dope smoking and lung, head or neck cancers.

Dr. Tashkin speculates that THC, a chemical in marijuana smoke, "may encourage aging cells to die earlier and therefore be less likely to undergo cancerous transformation."

Despite the reassuring findings, Dr. Tashkin isn't encouraging people to light up a joint. "I wouldn't give any smoke substance a clean bill of health," he told Bloomberg News. There is still reason to believe dope might contribute to other lung ailments such as bronchitis and respiratory infections.
A baseball bat to the head won't increase your chances of getting lung cancer either, but that doesn't make that good for your health..
 

MomaPug

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A baseball bat to the head won't increase your chances of getting lung cancer either, but that doesn't make that good for your health..
I would rather smoke a bowl for my head than use a bat on it.....how about you? I have been smoking for over 30 years without any bad effects, don't think I would last long with a baseball bat to my head!! And, I disagree that cannabis isn't good for my health...I have an autoimmune that is killing my liver, without cannabis I wouldn't be eating.
 

born2killspam

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I would rather smoke a bowl for my head than use a bat on it.....how about you? I have been smoking for over 30 years without any bad effects, don't think I would last long with a baseball bat to my head!! And, I disagree that cannabis isn't good for my health...I have an autoimmune that is killing my liver, without cannabis I wouldn't be eating.
I realize it does actually help some ppl, but like your situation it's typically used to manage pain/discomfort rather than actually treat a condition.. I suppose glaucoma is one exception, and I'm sure there are others..
As far as smoking a bowl for your head goes, what are the health 'advantages'?? I used the baseball bat example to point out the fact that just because weed apparently doesn't increase the risk of lung cancer, doesn't mean it's 'good for your health'.. Vegitables and lots of water are good for your health.. Weed can help certain ppl, but that is a far cry from it being the elixir of life that some ppl here are claiming..
I've smoked weed for decades too.. I'm just honest enough to admit that I personally don't do it for the health benefit..
And when I started smoking it I was pretty seriously into track/field, and it did negatively affect my performance on long distances.. And my times weren't all over the board, they were generally really predictable.. So if it negatively affects a person's cardiorespiratory function I think it's fair to say that it has some negative health aspects..
 

MomaPug

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I realize it does actually help some ppl, but like your situation it's typically used to manage pain/discomfort rather than actually treat a condition.. I suppose glaucoma is one exception, and I'm sure there are others..
As far as smoking a bowl for your head goes, what are the health 'advantages'?? I used the baseball bat example to point out the fact that just because weed apparently doesn't increase the risk of lung cancer, doesn't mean it's 'good for your health'.. Vegitables and lots of water are good for your health.. Weed can help certain ppl, but that is a far cry from it being the elixir of life that some ppl here are claiming..
I've smoked weed for decades too.. I'm just honest enough to admit that I personally don't do it for the health benefit..
And when I started smoking it I was pretty seriously into track/field, and it did negatively affect my performance on long distances.. And my times weren't all over the board, they were generally really predictable.. So if it negatively affects a person's cardiorespiratory function I think it's fair to say that it has some negative health aspects..
With cannabis, everyone reacts in a different way and every strain is different. I also have pain issues with three bulging disks in my neck... I find some strains help with inflammation and in regards to pain...more than anything it helps me not focus on it. When pain is hammering at you constantly, sometimes a distraction or different focus helps immensely, just breaking the cycle is key for me to be able to maintain.

There are pros and cons for anything you take said to be "medical" It's all about choice, I should have the right to choose an alternative to big pharma, everyone should.

I agree, there are givens known to be good for you...like drinking lots of water, but I don't drink water to relieve pain or distract me from pain, vegetables don't induce my appetite either. So I would compare Cannabis to other treatments said to address the symptoms that someone is medicating for and weigh the pros and cons of that choice. Same with recreational use, you should be able to choose Cannabis over alcohol if you want to, especially considering the solid research available regarding alcohol.

So yes, I feel perfectly just saying that feeding my head with Cannabis is medicating, as I am sure many people do. If you do some searching, you will find research showing that it has been proven to reduce certain cancer cells...among many other things very beneficial.

I am not saying it is totally good for your health, (and I didn't see in this thread where anyone said that...did I miss it?) I don't think there is any type of medication that is...without some solid testing/research we just don't know all the facts. Neither am I calling it the "elixir of life" but again, without solid research.... nobody can say either way. It comes down to personal choice and weighing pros and cons.
 

euthanatos93420

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Gotta love how they say 'harmful'. Can't say 'lethal' or deadly, since it's not. Well, I guess I shouldn't say they 'can't' cuz they might try. What's one more lie? People believe this much bullshit. Even the cheaply censored for racism version.
 

DelSlow

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Do you know ANYTHING about what you're saying?? I mean do you know what happens to 'antioxidants' when you burn them??

You need to study some more, and smoke some less..
Look, if you think it's so bad fine. But it doesn't affect me in any negative way. Only positives come from it. So chill out.
 

born2killspam

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Look, if you think it's so bad fine. But it doesn't affect me in any negative way. Only positives come from it. So chill out.
I think I can rationalize that the enjoyment outweighs the harmful side affects in my case, given my current condition/lifestyle.. That's not the same thing as saying that only positives come from it.. The only thing fucking assinine statements like that are good for is as ammunition for totally anti-marijuana pundits to use against the more sensible pot smokers.. Back in the day they made a movie called Reefer Madness.. It was pretty fucking unrealistic, and in the end pot advocates found it useful to point out how 'full of shit' the ppl on the other side of the argument actually were..
On another note, there were obviously WMD's in Iraq (every country has some).. But because certain ppl swore up and down that they had intel saying that they were as abundant as sand in the region they lost a hell of alot of support/trust..
Honesty is the best policy unless silence trumps it in any particular situation..
 

MomaPug

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I think I can rationalize that the enjoyment outweighs the harmful side affects in my case, given my current condition/lifestyle.. That's not the same thing as saying that only positives come from it.. The only thing fucking assinine statements like that are good for is as ammunition for totally anti-marijuana pundits to use against the more sensible pot smokers.. Back in the day they made a movie called Reefer Madness.. It was pretty fucking unrealistic, and in the end pot advocates found it useful to point out how 'full of shit' the ppl on the other side of the argument actually were..
On another note, there were obviously WMD's in Iraq (every country has some).. But because certain ppl swore up and down that they had intel saying that they were as abundant as sand in the region they lost a hell of alot of support/trust..
Honesty is the best policy unless silence trumps it in any particular situation..
As I read it, DelSlow was talking in the the first person, as in "only positives come from it" referring to his personal experience. If indeed you are one of the "more sensible pot smokers" perhaps you could be a little less objective instead of looking for reasons to argue with folks here.

Telling people that "You need to study some more, and smoke some less.." and that their opinions are "'fucking assinine statements" hardly seems like a constructive way to debate a subject....agreed?

I will not call you a troll as was my first impression, but I do think you have issues. Quoting people in this thread for saying "it's totally good for your health' and that it is the "elixir of life" when in fact nobody on this thread made such statements,....just to make more arguments?

I am satisfied to agree to disagree with you. I don't feel the need to talk about Iraq, or see what you are going to find between the lines to argue with someone about next. Just being honest here ::neutral:

I wish you the best as a fellow human and cannabis smoker...peace...I am out of here.
 

euthanatos93420

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I will not call you a troll as was my first impression, but I do think you have issues. Quoting people in this thread for saying "it's totally good for your health' and that it is the "elixir of life" when in fact nobody on this thread made such statements,....just to make more arguments?
I'll make those statements. All things relative, it's more true of pot than anything the petro-mil pharm has churned out. Although the same principles of benefit and interest apply in the medical-placebo introduction model (regardless if it's a medicine or a placebo), everyone is unique in their response with the inevitable negative response, however, not one person has died form cannabis. This is not a claim that can be made for any perscription drug and even most OTC's and 'alternative/traditional medicines' cannot claim such either.

When you give that nothing is perfect and shit like 'miracle" or 'wonder' drug are hyperbole. They are significantly less hyperbolic when applied to cannabis.

Also, it cures, treats, slows the progression of or at the very least alleviates the suffering of AIDS, Cancer, Multiple Sclerosis and Crohn's Disease among many other but these four are 'common' ailments for which there is no other known cure and all available treatment is largely inferior (narcotics reduce appetite & competency as opposed to cannabis) with the possible exception of retrovirals (I'll assume retrovirals are effective and wait till the test is is, but they are all the more reason to be using cannabis in addition).
 

born2killspam

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I'll make those statements. All things relative, it's more true of pot than anything the petro-mil pharm has churned out. Although the same principles of benefit and interest apply in the medical-placebo introduction model (regardless if it's a medicine or a placebo), everyone is unique in their response with the inevitable negative response, however, not one person has died form cannabis. This is not a claim that can be made for any perscription drug and even most OTC's and 'alternative/traditional medicines' cannot claim such either.

When you give that nothing is perfect and shit like 'miracle" or 'wonder' drug are hyperbole. They are significantly less hyperbolic when applied to cannabis.

Also, it cures, treats, slows the progression of or at the very least alleviates the suffering of AIDS, Cancer, Multiple Sclerosis and Crohn's Disease among many other but these four are 'common' ailments for which there is no other known cure and all available treatment is largely inferior (narcotics reduce appetite & competency as opposed to cannabis) with the possible exception of retrovirals (I'll assume retrovirals are effective and wait till the test is is, but they are all the more reason to be using cannabis in addition).
There are ppl who have died from smoking weed.. They're ridiculously rare, and those ppl were likely goners before the incident, or allergic to something etc. but it's happened..
The LD50 for THC may be literally impossible to consume for the VAST VAST majority of ppl, but special cases are often exploited..
And MomaPug; If there is one thing I refuse to do, it's telling ppl that it's ok to believe whole-heartedly in ANY propaganda without actual information on the topic at hand.. Typically in a two sided debate the only difference between propaganda and facts depends on the side of the argument you want to support..
The same arguments made for weed as far as medical legitimacy go (which are legitimate for alot of cases) can be made for alcohol, opiates, barbiturates, amphetamines etc.. The only difference is the likelyhood of fatal overdose when abused..
South Park really hit the nail on the head..
 
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