Ed Rosenthal drying and curing????

motoxmom

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ok so here is the excerpt from the grower's handbook where it says to cure before drying ???? i dont quite understand it, why and how do you cure it first before you dry???

HARVEST
When the bud is ripe it is time to harvest, and it is ready to be trimmed, or manicured. Manicuring is the process of removing the leaves that are growing around the buds. The best time to manicure is when the plants are freshly picked. Fresh vegetation is turgid with moisture, so it is easy to handle while it is being clipped. Just as important, the trichomes that hold THC and the terpenes are pliable rather than brittle and more likely to stay attached to the plant.
Once you have harvested, use plenty of light when manicuring so you can see clearly exactly what you are doing. There are four steps to trimming ripe marijuana: clipping the stem from the plant, clipping the buds from the stem, removing the large leaves and removing the small leaves from the bud. The steps can be performed as one integrated operation or in steps. The choice depends on the size of the crop, the number of people trimming and most importantly, your preference.
The trimming space should include three sections: the holding area, the processing area and the curing-drying area. Curing is the process after harvest but before drying, during which many of the cell’s metabolic processes continue for a little longer. Save the trim from the processing area. While sun leaves and trim are unsuitable for smoking they can be used for making kief, bubble hash, and ingestibles.
Drying large amounts of buds requires air circulation and ventilation. Fans create a draft that promotes evaporation, and ventilation exchanges moist air for dryer air.
The quality of marijuana improves for several weeks after it is dried because THC acid loses its water molecule and becomes psychoactive. Buds that are cured properly and dried slowly have the smooth draw of fine herb. Fast-dried pot has a harsher, rougher smoke. Buds should be disturbed as little as possible before they are smoked. Every time they are moved, unpacked, or handled, resin glands fall off.
Things to Know
The advantage to harvesting buds as they ripen is that those previously hidden in the lower canopy are also allowed a chance to fully mature.
The loose trichomes that are broken off while manicuring are known as kief. Because kief contains cannabinoids but little vegetation, it is much more concentrated and potent by volume than buds. A screen with a mesh count of about 100 strands per square inch (100 strands per 6.5 sq cm) allows glands to drop through for collection while retaining the plant material on the screen.
Many gardeners raise the temperature of the curing-drying space to hasten the drying process. However, many terpenes evaporate between 70-85° F (21-29° C). When they evaporate, the buds taste stale and loses their personality. For this reason, it is important to control the temperature of the curing-drying space.
There are two good ways to determine bud dryness, the “stick” test and the joint test. For the stick test, bend the little stem that holds the bud together and if it snaps, it is dry enough. For the joint test, roll a thin joint to see if it stays lit between puffs, if not the bud is still too wet.
POST -HARVEST
Leaves and trim, the natural byproduct of growing buds, present an interesting paradox. The bud is the plant’s crown jewel at 5-20% THC. However, cannabis produces THC throughout the plant. Sticky resin glands coat the leaves and bracts, creating a natural protective barrier against insects, disease, herbivores, and the sun’s UV rays.
When trim and leaves are tossed, 10-20% of the plant’s total THC production is thrown away. When tossing it out, trash is everything that isn’t bud. It you are going to use it, it should be sorted. Stems and woody parts of the plant are not salvageable. The sticks and stems have little THC so they can be trashed.
The small leaves near the flowers are the most potent, followed by the younger, and then older fan leaves. Any material with visible glands is worth keeping. There are many uses for trash, the most popular being kief, hash, maripills and cannabis food.
Kief is a powder that consists of the loose glands removed from marijuana buds and plant material. It looks like minute grains of sand. Once kief is made it can be used in a number of ways. The glands are delicious smoked fresh. Kief is also an excellent ingredient for cooking and use in capsules. Without the vegetative matter attached the glands do not impart the dominating “green taste” to edibles.
Hashish is a collection of marijuana’s resinous glands that have been compressed into balls, cakes, or slabs. Pressing hashish transforms the collected material both chemically and physically. The glands are warmed and some are broken, releasing the sticky oils that contain the psychoactive cannabinoids, as well as the terpenes- the source of marijuana’s smell and taste.
Eating cannabis foods is a healthy way to use marijuana without inhaling. However, eating marijuana is a different experience than inhaling it. It isn’t an immediate rush. Instead, the sensation begins gradually, about half an hour to an hour after ingestion.
Things to Know
Maripills are capsules filled with processed marijuana and ingested orally. For patients, they are an easy way to measure dose, and a safer alternative to smoking dried buds.
In 19th-century Paris, the Club de Hachichins met for the express purpose of eating hashish. Authors and poets whose works we now consider classics were members. In the 1920s, Alice B. Toklas published her infamous brownie recipe that popularized brownies as the cannabis food of choice in modern times.
 

motoxmom

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By Ed Rosenthal - Monday, January 7 2002
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How should I cure my buds?
I would like to know different ways of curing bud. What does curing do to the bud? Can you tell the difference between a bud that was cured and one that wasn't?
Grow Pioneer
Ocean, New Jersey
Bud is cured by keeping it cool for several days after it is cut. This allows metabolic processes to continue. The starches are converted to sugars, making the smoke smoother and "sweeter." The best environment to cure bud in is dark with a temperature around 65-70?F (18-21?C), and humidity at 50%, with a continuous flow of fresh air.
After four or five days, the bud is ready to be dried. The temperature is raised to 80-85?F (27-29?C), and the humidity is lowered.
Fast dried buds omit the curing process. Slow-cured buds smoke smoother and have a more flavorful taste.
 

motoxmom

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seriously this is the text book they are teaching at oakstradam. it says to cure it for 4-5 days before drying it.
 

a mongo frog

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i think id rather cure and dry in a turkey bag. be very carefull though. forgeting to crack and seal will cause probloms. but imo the best way to finish your grow.
 
that's weird man, I thought it might have been a typo but I grabbed my Ed Rosenthal Growers Handbook and it says the same thing.... Hmmmm, it looks like he does the same thing as drying it.... I wonder if it's a mistake(Highly Unlikely it is) or if we're just not understanding it the way he wants us too.
 

SimonD

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seriously this is the text book they are teaching at oakstradam. it says to cure it for 4-5 days before drying it.
Wet product doesn't cure. It's as simple as that. I don't want to dissect his entire process, but there are issues there, too. At this point in time we get pretty sophisticated with curing, measuring the humidity inside the container, as such, being able to produce consistent, repeatable results that can even be geared for a specific strain or any other working variable pertinent to the grower. I bet that's not taught at Oaksterdam.

Simon
 

Silky Shagsalot

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Wet product doesn't cure. It's as simple as that. I don't want to dissect his entire process, but there are issues there, too. At this point in time we get pretty sophisticated with curing, measuring the humidity inside the container, as such, being able to produce consistent, repeatable results that can even be geared for a specific strain or any other working variable pertinent to the grower. I bet that's not taught at Oaksterdam.Simon
curing/drying is the same thing. when you hang the bud to dry up a bit before you put it in jars, or whatever, in my book, this is curing, it's just the first part of it. (remember, this is silky logic, take it with a grain of salt, lol!) if you break down the whole process into two steps, drying, and then the cure, in jars, it's just easier to explain. so, if you do what this guru say's, and hang it up and let it completely dry up, you're fugged! the so called second part, (curing) would not be necessary if the bud contained no moisture! the burping of the jars a few times a day, is how you "slowly" finish the drying/cure process. being sealed in a mason jar for several hours, and periodically opened, is the finishing touch in the cure/dry. the jars will actually "pop" when you open them. this is the (gasses?) being released that is part of the drying/curing process. i'm a little buzzed, and it's 2:30 a.m. so don't hold me to any of this, lol!!!
 
i'm a little buzzed, and it's 2:30 a.m. so don't hold me to any of this, lol!!!
Nah man don't worry, I think you're spot on.
From what everyone on here and my books have told me, the drying process is to get it to a point where the stems can break with a nice "Snap". Then they say throw it in some jars, after it has time to sit you open them, re-arrange the buds to make sure it cures evenly and then put the buds back in removing them every now and then again to continue the process.

i THINK that he(Ed Rosenthal) considers the drying process and the curing process to be one of the same. I believe this because 1: He says they should be done when the stem can snap, and in all my other books and every other piece of advice i've gotten people say that is the DRYING process, and THEN you cure it.
and 2nd: because of what Ed says in the book a little on the next page, he say's that when you put it into jars, that's considered the packaging process and I haven't read anything that hint's towards him opening the jars to evenly let them distrubute.
this is weird because it's starting to make me wonder if I don't know what he means, but this is all I could make out of it....
 

Impman

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there are like 5 replys to this thread where clearly the person did not read anything in Eds paragraph. Curing is not drying. Ed is is giving out scietific information and it goes over many heads here. bud will only be alivr or viable for three days after its cut only in perfect conditions 65-70deg 40% hum. these last three days if done properly is 'curing' the marijuanna. after that i lke to trim and then dry at 75 degrees for 7 days or so. puting the bud n jars is not calld curing its called bagging and proper storage. the rest of yall are superstitious growers with no science behnd drying techniques and your bd sucks butya dont know it
 

Thedillestpickle

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Im going to break out of the status quo of this thread and say I think Ed is doing it right, in fact better than those who dry and then cure. The reason why his technique is not popular among growers? because you have to worry about mold with his technique, leaving the buds to stay wet for 5 days is taking a big risk, unless you have you grow room so clean and your intake is filtered through some crazy UV light thing... so people stray away from this method even though when it is done properly it is sure to produce better product.

Im going to look for more info on this and Ill likely be using it to cure my buds.
 

SimonD

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there are like 5 replys to this thread where clearly the person did not read anything in Eds paragraph. Curing is not drying. Ed is is giving out scietific information and it goes over many heads here. bud will only be alivr or viable for three days after its cut only in perfect conditions 65-70deg 40% hum. these last three days if done properly is 'curing' the marijuanna. after that i lke to trim and then dry at 75 degrees for 7 days or so. puting the bud n jars is not calld curing its called bagging and proper storage. the rest of yall are superstitious growers with no science behnd drying techniques and your bd sucks butya dont know it
Im going to break out of the status quo of this thread and say I think Ed is doing it right, in fact better than those who dry and then cure. The reason why his technique is not popular among growers? because you have to worry about mold with his technique, leaving the buds to stay wet for 5 days is taking a big risk, unless you have you grow room so clean and your intake is filtered through some crazy UV light thing... so people stray away from this method even though when it is done properly it is sure to produce better product.

Im going to look for more info on this and Ill likely be using it to cure my buds.
By the looks of things, neither of you ever harvested any weed. You're both trying to run a first grow. Can you name a single reason as to why anyone should take the time to actually discuss this topic with either of you?

Simon
 

Thedillestpickle

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Im just saying It makes sense and Im willing to consider it as a good method after I have done some more research. If youve never tried it than by your reasoning you also have no right to have an oppinion on it. Your not even giving it thought so your having a pretty strong bias. Ive never grown before so I consider all options with no bias and try to choose the best one. Im not claiming its better but it does make more sense, if you wanted dried banana chips would you ripen the banana and then slice and dry it or would you slice and dry it and then try to make it ripen? think about that for a minute.
 

thump easy

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fuck then i been doing it all wrong it works the way i was tout cut, manicure, hang, snap twig, set in rehidrated chamber for three days it rehidrates then burp for the next 5 days no moister... the buds come out spoungie yet not dried it last a while sqishie n aroma is on point... the flavor smooth n not harsh takes for ever to smoke... no jokes r permited lolz realy it takes a bit to hash a bowl thats the way i do it not complicated at all no temps at all just easy
 

Thedillestpickle

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sounds good, I think the simple fact is that there are a million different variations you can choose from all with slightly different results. So play around try a few different techniques and decide for yourself what the "the best".
 

Impman

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Im just saying It makes sense and Im willing to consider it as a good method after I have done some more research. If youve never tried it than by your reasoning you also have no right to have an oppinion on it. Your not even giving it thought so your having a pretty strong bias. Ive never grown before so I consider all options with no bias and try to choose the best one. Im not claiming its better but it does make more sense, if you wanted dried banana chips would you ripen the banana and then slice and dry it or would you slice and dry it and then try to make it ripen? think about that for a minute.
The LANGUAGE is all wrong here. Some call it curing, drying whatever. Heres the SCIENCE or reality: After you cut/harvest the buds will remain VIABLE or alive for a few days but only in RIGHT conditions (65-70degree 40%humidity) and DARK. SO, if you want to CURE marijuana it can only happen in this window of 3-5 days. After that your Buds are no longer alive. All of its ATP is gone and in marijuana heaven. No more sole DEAD. Now your THC can become more potent when water molecules evaporate more and more, but thats a two edge sword because it is also makes the bud taste different and too dry is ...well too dry. OK SO, once properly CURED it is time to trim the wet bud. Always trim wet because it keeps the Resin Glands in tact---too much kief is bad! keep some on the bud. After the buds are nice and clean put them on dry racks. For racks I use material used for ultralight aircraft wings that works perfect stretched on on PVC pipe and glued...sinconiite check spelling but any kind of netting or screen would work fine too. NOW FOR DRYING keep the room in the 70s pref 75 deg and humidity at 50%. THis will dry the buds in about 5-7 days. Any faster hurts potency and any longer your risking mold. Then the bud is dry and should be kept in jars that are aired out daily until its all smoked.
I read all this in ED Rosenthals book. I like it because it makes sense scientifically. It is not a superstitious method it is fact based. Most of the threads i find on the internet at weird as hell VOODOO drying techniques and growing methods. Hell I think most of the posts on this particular thread think that the bud stays alive forever and the curing process is some month long quest. AS for whoever was saying I dont konw what im talking about..... READ A BOOK KID. ED Rosenthal knows his shit brother. Stop trying to grow weed like how your friends taught you and get some facts. Start with Ed Rosenthal, Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible, the Cannabis grow bible. LEt us all push forward and help eachother on these threads with Facts and science. IT IS A WEED , Im 100% certain there are experienced growers reading this saying I GROW BOMB and cure it different and its great. You know why? Cause its a fing weed and in spite of your best efforts its hard to fuck up. Just imagine if you started curing your bud correct?! then you could have that medical quality.
 
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