cal-mag?

[scunkworm]

Hi all, ive been doing alot of looking around about cal-mag, what it is and to do for plants and on one page it said about cal-mag for people, so would the stuff for us (people) would it be ok for the use on plants?
Also a friend of mine asked about it in his local hydro shop and when he said about cal-mag the guys there said y, got a cal def have you'
I know that cal-mag is a balance of cal+magnesium so why cant a mix of hydrated lime and epsom salts work instead of it? as long as the plant gets the two of those elements then?
Thanks guys

 

[del66666]

yeah i use epsom for mag...........t spoon per gal

 

[scunkworm]

Yeah thats what i mean, lime and epsom salts' its not like the plant will know the difference aslong as its getting what it needs lol

 

[MrMoores]

iv been wondering about this myself, recently i spent money on 2 bottles of feed one was of canna calcium and one canna magnesium, they do idividual nutrients called "canna solo" but im worryed about adding as i dont want to cause lock out by adding this strong shit to my mix, so iv added it it in half the recomended amount and will only use it once a week [every 4th watering or so] coz i think they always done fine with out these chemicals being added so y add them but on the other hand im thinking that i need to complete the large jigsaw puzzle of nutrients that my plants will benefit from has anybody noticed benefits from adding calcium and magnesium supllements to there feeds and is it really worth using them ?

 

[scunkworm]

I think you got a point there, i wounder if the grower's who have benefited from cal+mag sups to their grows also the ones who's used it did they need cal-mag aswell?

 

[LILBSDAD]

iv been wondering about this myself, recently i spent money on 2 bottles of feed one was of canna calcium and one canna magnesium, they do idividual nutrients called "canna solo" but im worryed about adding as i dont want to cause lock out by adding this strong shit to my mix, so iv added it it in half the recomended amount and will only use it once a week [every 4th watering or so] coz i think they always done fine with out these chemicals being added so y add them but on the other hand im thinking that i need to complete the large jigsaw puzzle of nutrients that my plants will benefit from has anybody noticed benefits from adding calcium and magnesium supllements to there feeds and is it really worth using them ?

Plain and simple, Yes.

 

[scunkworm]

I was thinking just now, what did grower's use when there was not cal-mag/plus? how did grower's deal with say a cal-mag def' there was prob another word for it then lol

 

[del66666]

gardeners have used epsom salts for years........you dont need to add cal mag regularly.....like anything else just watch the plant and it will tell you when and what it needs and when it needs it...........mag supplements are needed more with coco because it holds on to the mag and the plant loses out.......

 

[scunkworm]

What about plane old soil? do that hold on to anything ie.. cal, mag?
What sign's would the plant give of when it needs cal-mag? anything like the pic here that ive put up as some have said that it looks like a cal-mag def, what about small amounts of each into each watering' would that prvent a cal-mag def? and that takes me back to something i said last night' how did people deal with cal-mag def when there wasn't such a thing as cal-mag coz im sure that hasn't been around as long as pot growers have.
When i was looking everything up about growing i came across something that showed people were growing cannibis years and years ago well before cal-mag so how and what did they call it and also deal with the problem? its like them programs on the tv when they say how did a tribe build all those flat inter locking stones, did ufo's land and show them lol, no its just knowledge that some how got lost, so they think that others from another world came and gave us an hand lol you get wgat im saying)
Its a mad old thing to think about

 

[Trz81]

It's called using tap water. Has all the cal mag u will need.

 

[Nullis]

It's called using tap water. Has all the cal mag u will need.

Not necessarily.

I was thinking just now, what did grower's use when there was not cal-mag/plus? how did grower's deal with say a cal-mag def' there was prob another word for it then lol

Growers or plants? Plants have been growing without growers to aid them for an eternity. The various forces of nature alongside microbiology have been recycling organic materials (into plant nutrients) for hundreds of millions of years.

Hydrated lime is crap though, way too potent and doesn't work for long enough. Dolomitic limestone is a form of lime stone which contains magnesium as well as calcium. It also exerts it's action over the long term; providing Ca, Mg and neutralizing acidity for months, and it is difficult to over apply (more so than slaked lime).

What about plane old soil? do that hold on to anything ie.. cal, mag?
What sign's would the plant give of when it needs cal-mag? anything like the pic here that ive put up as some have said that it looks like a cal-mag def, what about small amounts of each into each watering' would that prvent a cal-mag def? and that takes me back to something i said last night' how did people deal with cal-mag def when there wasn't such a thing as cal-mag coz im sure that hasn't been around as long as pot growers have.
When i was looking everything up about growing i came across something that showed people were growing cannibis years and years ago well before cal-mag so how and what did they call it and also deal with the problem? its like them programs on the tv when they say how did a tribe build all those flat inter locking stones, did ufo's land and show them lol, no its just knowledge that some how got lost, so they think that others from another world came and gave us an hand lol you get wgat im saying)
Its a mad old thing to think about

Humus (thoroughly decayed organic matter, in soil) holds onto cations (positively charged ions, including Ca++ and Mg++). This is a good thing because it keeps the cations within the medium, otherwise they might leach away (as anions have a tendency to do). The plant can still absorb them.

 

[Nullis]

Yah so that picture you provided does come off as an Mg deficiency. You could foliar with epsom salts @ 1 tsp per gallon and water some in as well. There is also Organicare Huvega which is a quick Mg fix. In general that plant just doesn't look healthy, though.

 

[scunkworm]

Yah so that picture you provided does come off as an Mg deficiency. You could foliar with epsom salts @ 1 tsp per gallon and water some in as well. There is also Organicare Huvega which is a quick Mg fix. In general that plant just doesn't look healthy, though.

Yeah i had hell with that plant' i had to chop off 94% of the leaves frist time as they were dead dead, it re-vegged its self with alot of smaller leavesm then when i flushed it the otherday i could see loads of little white things in the soil, i was reading about a pest that lives under the soil and eats all the root hair's/roots, and they only come to the suface when you water' i binned it just now infact, i also binned a seedling i was having some probs with plus a clone from the plant in the pic, im starting over with fem lemon skunk seeds' i put them in paper towell and within 2 days they all poped open.
I trying my hand at hydro this time' ive made a dwc unit that holds 37 ltrs of water so im hoping i got some nice plants from it?? (finger's crossed lol)

 

[Sensibowl]

Hi all, ive been doing alot of looking around about cal-mag, what it is and to do for plants and on one page it said about cal-mag for people, so would the stuff for us (people) would it be ok for the use on plants?
Also a friend of mine asked about it in his local hydro shop and when he said about cal-mag the guys there said y, got a cal def have you'
I know that cal-mag is a balance of cal+magnesium so why cant a mix of hydrated lime and epsom salts work instead of it? as long as the plant gets the two of those elements then?
Thanks guys

This is the Cal-Mag stuff from AN. Not sure if it's helpful. Maybe otherse have used it? I haven't used it yet and it's hard to find where we're at, it seems, from what I've heard others say.....

SensiCal Bloom

Plants need different amounts, ratios and types of nutrients during the bloom cycle, especially if they are producing flowers or fruit. That’s why we made SensiCal Bloom with three types of Calcium (including Calcium Chelate), along with Magnesium, Iron, Manganese, Zinc, Copper, Boron, Molybdenum and Cobalt, configured in a way that most benefits plants within a few weeks of harvest. Our product contains the precise synergistic balance of components so your crops thrive during their production phase. Other companies make Calcium products with too much Iron and none of the other micros needed for balanced feeding. Their products prevent efficient nutrient uptake, which costs you in harvest yield and quality. If you want the best Calcium formula for blooming plants, use SensiCal Bloom.

Ingredients
Amino Chelated Calcium
Boron Proteinate
Calcium Acetate
Calcium Chelate
Calcium EDTA
Calcium Nitrate
Cobalt EDTA
Cobalt Proteinate
Copper EDTA
Copper Proteinate
Iron DPTA
Iron EDDHA
Iron EDTA
Iron Proteinate
Magnesium Sulfate
Manganese EDTA
Manganese Proteinate
Molybdenum EDTA
Molybdenum Proteinate
Zinc EDTA
Zinc Proteinate

SensiCal Grow

Calcium is essential for humans and plants. Our SensiCal Grow supplies three types of Calcium (including Calcium Chelate), along with Magnesium, Iron, Manganese, Zinc, Copper, Boron, Molybdenum and Cobalt. SensiCal Grow supplies these essential substances in the exact ratios and amounts that specialty plants need. Our extensive field testing on the types of plants you grow helped us create a product that properly deals with the necessity for proper, synergistic balance of Calcium, Magnesium and other minerals. Our research program compared SensiCal Grow to all Calcium products made by competitors. We found that their products only contain inferior grades of Calcium, Magnesium and Iron, which is why SensiCal Grow consistently outperformed their products. Indeed, our scientists say that their products' reliance on Iron actually interferes with plant uptake of Calcium and other minerals. If you want the best Calcium and micronutrient supplementation for your crops in vegetative cycle, use SensiCal Grow, backed by our industry-leading performance guarantee.

Ingredients
Amino Chelated Calcium
Boron Proteinate
Calcium Acetate
Calcium Chelate
Calcium EDTA
Calcium Nitrate
Cobalt EDTA
Cobalt Proteinate
Copper EDTA
Copper Proteinate
Iron DPTA
Iron EDDHA
Iron EDTA
Iron Proteinate
Magnesium Sulfate
Manganese EDTA
Manganese Proteinate
Molybdenum EDTA
Molybdenum Proteinate
Zinc EDTA
Zinc Proteinate

 

[blueberry cush]

Cal meg is good shit but epson salt and lime will get u by i perfer cal meg

 

[MrMoores]

gettin hold dolomatic lime for gardening purposes doesnt seem an easy task perlite has some mag and cal maybe i should go back to using it , or put 1mil of mag and 1mil of cal per 10litres on a weekly bases or every 4th or so watering ...seems pedantic [pointles bullshit]

 

[dirtdigger80]

I think what you have there is a pH imbalance. Plants usually don't have a magnesium deficiency unless you're using purified water too much, the potting soil you are using is too acidic, or they're in too small of a pots. Before you throw a bunch of salt in your grow, try checking the pH of your soil first.