Ron Paul on Budget Control Act and "Super Congress"

Mr Neutron

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Rather than raising the debt limit, Congress should recognize the federal government has reached debt saturation and therefore stop incurring new debt! Federal revenues for 2012 likely will amount to about $2.2 trillion, an amount roughly equal to the 2004 federal budget. To balance the 2012 budget, Congress simply needs to adopt 2004 spending levels. Was the federal government really too small just 8 years ago?

But Washington has a serious spending addiction-- and in spite of all the talk about spending cuts, there are none contained in today’s legislation. According to the non-partisan CATO Institute, this bill merely commits Congress to spending less than it otherwise would. Even if this Congress could bind a future congress, I doubt many Americans would define a cut as spending less on unconstitutional programs than Congress originally planned to spend. The bill also assumes large tax increases in its revenue projections, with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts at the end of 2012 calculated into the “baseline” numbers. This assumption will make it very difficult politically for Republicans to extend current tax rates beyond 2012.

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this deal is the “Super Congress” provision. This is nothing more than a way to disenfranchise the majority of Congress by denying them the chance for meaningful participation in the crucial areas of entitlement and tax reform. It cedes power to draft legislation to a special commission, hand-picked by the House and Senate leadership. The legislation produced by this commission will be fast-tracked, and Members will not have the opportunity to offer amendments. Approval of the recommendations of the “Super Congress” is tied to yet another debt ceiling increase. This guarantees that Members will face tremendous pressure to vote for whatever comes out of this commission-- even if it includes tax increases. This provision is an excellent way to keep spending decisions out of the reach of members who are not on board with the leadership's agenda.
 

mame

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We couldn't work off of 2004 levels because of inflation, bud; Government as a percentage of GDP would be smaller at 2004's nominal budget(which is what they always mean when they bring up this talking point). The whole "back to 2004 levels" argument is an attempt to starve the beast.

This is just another example of intuectual dishonesty IMO...

Also,
According to the non-partisan CATO Institute
Cmon man...
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
Was the federal government really too small just 8 years ago?
of course it was. we need to constantly increase the size of government in order to further restrict the actions of the people and make them toe the line, then increase it some more to deal with all the folks disenfranchised by government's previous actions. this is the way we build utopia, with the violent force of government and the mediocrity of the welfare state.
 

BendBrewer

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What about 2004 tax rates? Spending isn't the only thing that has changed to adversely affect our debt. It's a very reasonable compromise.
 

BendBrewer

Well-Known Member
Wow I missed that Buck. No wonder people fall for it. Sounds legit huh?

"According to the non-partisan MoveOn.org........."

Well shit, it works both ways huh?
 

mame

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and what of rising medical costs? With todays prices, 2004's budget would be wholly inadequate to even be able to meet the same obligations... It's really not as simple as you're making it out to be.

Again, intuectually dishonest.
 

BendBrewer

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Medical? What about the price of gas? You want the Government to spend the same amount on Gas as they did in 2004? What are you? A caveman?
 

mame

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It is like watching a dog chase it's tail.



Congratulations, I think you might be starting to understand.
I understand that you have an extreme agenda that you willfully and knowingly tried to hide behind what sounds like a reasonable level of spending to attain? The devil is in the details, yo... once you get past the talking points, it's obviously an unworkable plan economically and politically.
 

Mr Neutron

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I understand that you have an extreme agenda that you willfully and knowingly tried to hide behind what sounds like a reasonable level of spending to attain? The devil is in the details, yo... once you get past the talking points, it's obviously an unworkable plan economically and politically.
What is extreme about fiscal responsibility? As far as it being unworkable economically, that's your opinion. (see "take a chainsaw to the budget" thread)
 

UncleBuck

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What is extreme about fiscal responsibility? As far as it being unworkable economically, that's your opinion. (see "take a chainsaw to the budget" thread)
nothing is extreme about fiscal responsibility.

what is extreme is your vision of such. like mame said, devil is in the details.

you want to put an effective tax hike on the middle class by cutting services they rely on, and likely lowering taxes on the uber wealthy. upward redistribution of wealth.

mr neutron, the redistributionist :lol:
 

BendBrewer

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Fiscal responsibility begins with paying the bills. It also includes acquiring and managing debt. Do you know what an investment is? Do you rent?
 

beardo

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We couldn't work off of 2004 levels because of inflation, bud; Government as a percentage of GDP would be smaller at 2004's nominal budget(which is what they always mean when they bring up this talking point). The whole "back to 2004 levels" argument is an attempt to starve the beast.

This is just another example of intuectual dishonesty IMO...

Also,

Cmon man...
Do you really not understand cause and effect? The spending and borrowing all creates inflation. This is why things cost more now, you can call it inflation or devaluation.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Fiscal responsibility begins with paying the bills. It also includes acquiring and managing debt. Do you know what an investment is? Do you rent?
It is more fiscally responsible to not acquire debt. Whomever taught you that debt was a good thing had it all wrong.
 

beardo

Well-Known Member
did you mean with a lot of seeds?

or did you mean supersede?
Can someone please help me get it to do spell check? This one doesn't have it, my other one did, this is windows 7, how can I do spell check automaticly so It tells me if i'm spelling stuff wrong?
Did anyone see the Colbert Report, The Word on Super Congress, It was a Classic.
 
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