supersymmetry
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watered w/ about 64oz/410ppm earlier. 2nd day in a row without mirrors. still working on new grow room.
First Time Grower, G13 Feminized
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day 67. watered w/ 64oz/410ppm.
it's the first day of a 4-day transition from 18-hour sun to 12-hour sun. schedule goes a li'l sumthn like this...
up till now there's been 18-hr days:
sun 6:30pm-12:30pm(18:00), dark 12:30pm-6:30pm(6:00)
last night to today:
sun 6:30pm-10:30am(16:00), dark 10:30am-6:30pm(8:00)
today to tomorrow:
sun 6:30pm-8:15am(13:45), dark 8:15am-6:00pm(9:45)
tomorrow to next day:
sun 6:00pm-6:30am(12:30), dark 6:30am-5.30pm(11:30)
next day after that:
sun 5:30pm-5:30am(12:00), dark 5:30am-5:00pm(11:30)
every day after that:
sun 5:00pm-5:00am(12:00), dark 5:00am-5:00pm(12:00)
rounded off to nearest hour, it looks like:
111111111111000000111111 ...
111111111111000000111111 (old 18-6 days)
111111111100000000111111 transition day
111111110000000000111111 transition day
111111000000000001111111 transition day
111110000000000001111111 transition day
111110000000000001111111 (new 12-12 days)
111110000000000001111111 ...
hey it ain't perfect but it's better than a sudden change i think
it's the first day of a 4-day transition from 18-hour sun to 12-hour sun. schedule goes a li'l sumthn like this...
up till now there's been 18-hr days:
sun 6:30pm-12:30pm(18:00), dark 12:30pm-6:30pm(6:00)
last night to today:
sun 6:30pm-10:30am(16:00), dark 10:30am-6:30pm(8:00)
today to tomorrow:
sun 6:30pm-8:15am(13:45), dark 8:15am-6:00pm(9:45)
tomorrow to next day:
sun 6:00pm-6:30am(12:30), dark 6:30am-5.30pm(11:30)
next day after that:
sun 5:30pm-5:30am(12:00), dark 5:30am-5:00pm(11:30)
every day after that:
sun 5:00pm-5:00am(12:00), dark 5:00am-5:00pm(12:00)
rounded off to nearest hour, it looks like:
111111111111000000111111 ...
111111111111000000111111 (old 18-6 days)
111111111100000000111111 transition day
111111110000000000111111 transition day
111111000000000001111111 transition day
111110000000000001111111 transition day
111110000000000001111111 (new 12-12 days)
111110000000000001111111 ...
hey it ain't perfect but it's better than a sudden change i think
supersymmetry
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halfway thru the transition to 12/12 light.
24 1/2" tall. didn't measure width but probly upwards of 40". lately there's been more overall stretch & less new growth out the top.
pretty thorough neem oil spraydown, although not 100%. concentrated on lower parts of plant that get less sun & that i don't get to inspect as often.
looks like there's enuf water for now. planning a drought day.
unless i hear otherwise, i don't plan to switch to bloom nutrition until the 2nd week of 12/12 light, or right around the time the flowers start to pop up.
several other odd jobs to do today... work on finishing new mirror setup & get good light distribution, work on a better room lid maybe, etc.
the 54"-diameter hularoom is less stable & more of a pain in the ass than the old 34" one in some ways.i'm still not 100% happy with it but it's moving in the right direction i guess. next time around i should just buy a grow tent! slightly more costly perhaps, but probably light years better.
24 1/2" tall. didn't measure width but probly upwards of 40". lately there's been more overall stretch & less new growth out the top.
pretty thorough neem oil spraydown, although not 100%. concentrated on lower parts of plant that get less sun & that i don't get to inspect as often.
looks like there's enuf water for now. planning a drought day.
unless i hear otherwise, i don't plan to switch to bloom nutrition until the 2nd week of 12/12 light, or right around the time the flowers start to pop up.
several other odd jobs to do today... work on finishing new mirror setup & get good light distribution, work on a better room lid maybe, etc.
the 54"-diameter hularoom is less stable & more of a pain in the ass than the old 34" one in some ways.i'm still not 100% happy with it but it's moving in the right direction i guess. next time around i should just buy a grow tent! slightly more costly perhaps, but probably light years better.
supersymmetry
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room getting better slowly. watered 60oz/410ppm earlier. new 12/12 cycle starts right now... 5am-5pm = night, 5pm to 5am = day
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watered 128oz/420ppm. got just the tiniest bit of runoff.
secured mirrors a little better at the bottom to make room more U-shaped
tons of little mini-leaves popping out all over the flowering branches. the branches that have one big fan leaf by itself are looking about the same, no obvious changes right now.
a few dried-up/brown-crunch/midsize leaves down low. grand total of 3 i think. 2 of them are across from each other & have been going slowly for several weeks. at least one is newer. also at least one more droop/dried/still-green/small leaf down low, i guess from not enough light? i've had roughly 6 or 8 droop/dried/still-green/small leaves since i smoked that 1st one. i had at least one leaf with almost for sure gnat-eat damage from the tip inwards.
visible insects - still basically nothing! really thankful for my mosquito dunks, neem oil extract, pyrethrum/piperonyl spray. once in a while i'll see a white micro fly, black mini fly, or black extra-micro gnat but they are usually one at a time & i try to kill 'em asap
day 71, i think
secured mirrors a little better at the bottom to make room more U-shaped
tons of little mini-leaves popping out all over the flowering branches. the branches that have one big fan leaf by itself are looking about the same, no obvious changes right now.
a few dried-up/brown-crunch/midsize leaves down low. grand total of 3 i think. 2 of them are across from each other & have been going slowly for several weeks. at least one is newer. also at least one more droop/dried/still-green/small leaf down low, i guess from not enough light? i've had roughly 6 or 8 droop/dried/still-green/small leaves since i smoked that 1st one. i had at least one leaf with almost for sure gnat-eat damage from the tip inwards.
visible insects - still basically nothing! really thankful for my mosquito dunks, neem oil extract, pyrethrum/piperonyl spray. once in a while i'll see a white micro fly, black mini fly, or black extra-micro gnat but they are usually one at a time & i try to kill 'em asap
day 71, i think
supersymmetry
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watered 128oz/450ppm. picked off about 6 or 7 smaller leaves down low which were detached anyway and were just dangling.
(i think) day 73. (i think) day 3 of 12/12 light. too lazy to look at my calendar right now, but hell, i'll fix it next time if it's wrong.
i've neem-oiled it twice now, and after each neem-oil application it has slowed in height. coincidence? something to it? i don't know. right now it's about 25 inches tall and probably about 45" wide at the widest leaftips. it has gained about an inch height in the last week which is a slowdown compared to before i switched the light hours.
it has been on 12/12 now for about 2 days after that 4-day transition (see a few posts up). there are more mini-leaves popping out than there are pistils. i'm gonna wait till the 2nd week of flowering till i determine if things are normal or abnormal.
i can't decide if the ufo light is adequate or inadequate, but the fact that i'm even thinking about this probably means it's inadequate hehe... we'll see. like i said, i'm waiting at least 2 more weeks before i make any major decisions.
(i think) day 73. (i think) day 3 of 12/12 light. too lazy to look at my calendar right now, but hell, i'll fix it next time if it's wrong.
i've neem-oiled it twice now, and after each neem-oil application it has slowed in height. coincidence? something to it? i don't know. right now it's about 25 inches tall and probably about 45" wide at the widest leaftips. it has gained about an inch height in the last week which is a slowdown compared to before i switched the light hours.
it has been on 12/12 now for about 2 days after that 4-day transition (see a few posts up). there are more mini-leaves popping out than there are pistils. i'm gonna wait till the 2nd week of flowering till i determine if things are normal or abnormal.
i can't decide if the ufo light is adequate or inadequate, but the fact that i'm even thinking about this probably means it's inadequate hehe... we'll see. like i said, i'm waiting at least 2 more weeks before i make any major decisions.
supersymmetry
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some of the branches have a horizontal tiny little spike about an inch up away from the stem. trying to look it up online to see what it means. no pix yet.
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watered 32oz/462ppm.
picked off about 5 full size fan leaves from the lower nodes. they were hanging by a thread and had gotten dry recently. picked off 2 more full size fan leaves from even lower, even older leaves, smaller ones but full size from way back, very dry. picked off 6 or 8 various smallish leaves from flowering branches that were dangling unattached for whatever reason. all leaves were either fully detached or popped off with the slightest touch, i.e. i haven't forcibly removed anything yet. well, except one, like a couple weeks ago, bottom-most node, but that leaf was more of a nuisance than a help. can't remember if it was on a flower branch or a full size fan leaf branch, but directly across from it is now growing a rather root-looking branch with the tiniest hint of micro-leaves in the middle and on the end, so... those 2 branches are weird to me.
no obvious signs of pests anywhere. i am damn thankful, because there are various micro-things buzzing around in here, especially with higher humidity.
so with that done, the bright side is that there's more light penetration down low for flowering. all bud sites are looking good with plenty of green leaves. not too many pistils. i'm not worried about it. from doing lots of googlesearching, people say wait till the 2nd flower week to see for sure, maybe even 3rd week.
plant is fairly widespread compared to some dr.gruber pics i remember seeing. his was dense compared to mine. my guess is that this is because of at least 2 things: 1) i have less light power than he had, and 2) side mirrors are pulling branches outward more.
so, this is news to me... just today did i put 2 & 2 together... apparently the full size fan leaves on non-flowering branches pop off after a while. is this normal? is it abnormal? since i'm a newby i don't know, but it sure seems normal, considering their very weak or non-existent connections to the stem and their more & more dry nature. the flowering branches would take lots of effort to pull off, by comparison, if someone was crazy enough to pull one. i read somewhere that the full size leaves are a source of food/energy for the rest of the plant as it matures. i guess that makes sense, yeah. so once they're dried with no more food/energy in 'em and they start drying/dangling/curling/drooping, u pull 'em off and this is normal, right? hopefully someone answers this. i'll check google too.
the 10th node up is the first one that has full size fan leaves now, and so does everything from there on up. all the rest further down have been picked off over time. the 10th node is about 8 inches up, but no guarantee coz i did not measure it. more later...
picked off about 5 full size fan leaves from the lower nodes. they were hanging by a thread and had gotten dry recently. picked off 2 more full size fan leaves from even lower, even older leaves, smaller ones but full size from way back, very dry. picked off 6 or 8 various smallish leaves from flowering branches that were dangling unattached for whatever reason. all leaves were either fully detached or popped off with the slightest touch, i.e. i haven't forcibly removed anything yet. well, except one, like a couple weeks ago, bottom-most node, but that leaf was more of a nuisance than a help. can't remember if it was on a flower branch or a full size fan leaf branch, but directly across from it is now growing a rather root-looking branch with the tiniest hint of micro-leaves in the middle and on the end, so... those 2 branches are weird to me.
no obvious signs of pests anywhere. i am damn thankful, because there are various micro-things buzzing around in here, especially with higher humidity.
so with that done, the bright side is that there's more light penetration down low for flowering. all bud sites are looking good with plenty of green leaves. not too many pistils. i'm not worried about it. from doing lots of googlesearching, people say wait till the 2nd flower week to see for sure, maybe even 3rd week.
plant is fairly widespread compared to some dr.gruber pics i remember seeing. his was dense compared to mine. my guess is that this is because of at least 2 things: 1) i have less light power than he had, and 2) side mirrors are pulling branches outward more.
so, this is news to me... just today did i put 2 & 2 together... apparently the full size fan leaves on non-flowering branches pop off after a while. is this normal? is it abnormal? since i'm a newby i don't know, but it sure seems normal, considering their very weak or non-existent connections to the stem and their more & more dry nature. the flowering branches would take lots of effort to pull off, by comparison, if someone was crazy enough to pull one. i read somewhere that the full size leaves are a source of food/energy for the rest of the plant as it matures. i guess that makes sense, yeah. so once they're dried with no more food/energy in 'em and they start drying/dangling/curling/drooping, u pull 'em off and this is normal, right? hopefully someone answers this. i'll check google too.
the 10th node up is the first one that has full size fan leaves now, and so does everything from there on up. all the rest further down have been picked off over time. the 10th node is about 8 inches up, but no guarantee coz i did not measure it. more later...
supersymmetry
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misted down with tap water adjusted to 6.4pH
i need to be using like 6.5pH nutrient water from now on... i've been using whatever the nutrition brings it down to, which is high 5's. my understanding is that high 5's are fine for hydroponic but that soil needs mid 6's. i'm using soil. oh blarg, back to using those lame-ass pH-up/pH-down solutions... i hate those.
i need to be using like 6.5pH nutrient water from now on... i've been using whatever the nutrition brings it down to, which is high 5's. my understanding is that high 5's are fine for hydroponic but that soil needs mid 6's. i'm using soil. oh blarg, back to using those lame-ass pH-up/pH-down solutions... i hate those.
supersymmetry
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edit: ok wtf... this post is actually from 2 1/4 days earlier... accidentally deleted it & had to re-add. if this is early friday am, this post is from late tuesday pm i think.. anyway,
not much yesterday (8/1) except a mistdown
mistdown again today, and a watering of 96oz/462ppm/6.4pH
top bud site and 3 bud sites around it are speeding up more than the rest. the other bud site up there is hidden by a fan leaf i'm working to tuck out of the way
bud sites down low are moving along very well too. it's looking like they will go slower than the top just because of too little light coverage. yeah it bothers me, but not as much as you'd think.
my goal is really easy to achieve, from what it looks like currently. it works out to something like this:
1) first of all, i don't sell weed. i will be smoking this alone and occasionally w/ friends.
2) it doesn't take a lot to do the trick. maybe half ounce a month. for sure less than 1 ounce a month.
3) goal is to yield enuf for 5 months. that's about the age of an indoor g13 from start to finish, plus preparation & tear-down.
4) next time around, with seed #2, i will be more experienced and will have better weather conditions.
5) so, 5 months multiplied by half ounce = 2.5 oz is what it would be nice to get. anything else is gravy.
after rearranging fan leaves or touching the plant anywhere, i like sniffing my hands. just the smell alone is gr8 motivation
not much yesterday (8/1) except a mistdown
mistdown again today, and a watering of 96oz/462ppm/6.4pH
top bud site and 3 bud sites around it are speeding up more than the rest. the other bud site up there is hidden by a fan leaf i'm working to tuck out of the way
bud sites down low are moving along very well too. it's looking like they will go slower than the top just because of too little light coverage. yeah it bothers me, but not as much as you'd think.
my goal is really easy to achieve, from what it looks like currently. it works out to something like this:
1) first of all, i don't sell weed. i will be smoking this alone and occasionally w/ friends.
2) it doesn't take a lot to do the trick. maybe half ounce a month. for sure less than 1 ounce a month.
3) goal is to yield enuf for 5 months. that's about the age of an indoor g13 from start to finish, plus preparation & tear-down.
4) next time around, with seed #2, i will be more experienced and will have better weather conditions.
5) so, 5 months multiplied by half ounce = 2.5 oz is what it would be nice to get. anything else is gravy.
after rearranging fan leaves or touching the plant anywhere, i like sniffing my hands. just the smell alone is gr8 motivation
supersymmetry
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made a post a few minutes ago. server was giving errors 500/503, doh. i'll copy&paste it from laptop tomorrow or somethin
basically, watered 128oz/450ppm/6.5pH earlier
basically, watered 128oz/450ppm/6.5pH earlier
supersymmetry
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nope nothing that advanced yet. i don't know how to do it, when to do it, or how to do it right... like where do you cut / when do you cut / straight cut or angled cut / how do you guarantee it will re-root / how big do clones get or don't get / etc. i just have one g13 early-flowering plant right now, and one 12/12 light source. wouldn't i need to have a separate light and grow area for growing clones in 18/6?
here is the post from last night which i was unable to post:
"watered 128oz/450ppm/6.5pH earlier. that's about all for now. trying to exhale into hularoom in my spare time, coz i figure a little extra carbon dioxide never hurt. some of the upper bud sites are starting to stand more vertical lately. definite pistils in a few spots already.
i'm thinking about loosely tying something around various branches to bring them closer to vertical. this would make the plant less wide, more tight, and maybe allow more light penetration down low. i dunno, i need to make sure i can do this without snapping any branches first. i may not do it at all. no biggie yet. all things lookin good by my standards."
supersymmetry
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what about if i just flower the g13 as one single plant, and not take clones? to be honest with you i don't understand the advantage of taking clones. because you can re-veg and re-flower more quickly than from seed? maybe i'll just do it later on seed #2? i don't know, i feel it's too late to be making changes. i don't even know when you can take clones and when you can't. i'm 1 week into flowering. i don't have provisions for 2 lights & 2 grow rooms. i think that if i didn't have the one gigantic plant to deal with, i could deal with 10 or 12 smaller clones easily, but what do i do, just chop off all the bud sites & re-plant them? i feel unprepared for it, like i should skip it. i dunno, if u want to give me some basic info, please do, i'm all ears
i'm about one week into 12on/12off lighting. the bud sites are standing more vertical near the top. got about 6 or 8 bud sites reaching pretty far up, plus the central stem bud site. the lower bud sites get less light but overall look good to me, with less pistils.
watered earlier, 64oz/450ppm/6.4to6.5pH. picked off about 6 smaller leaves. there are more full-size fan leaves ready to pull about halfway up the plant... just dried up & wilting, no longed required. will do that soon. should grab a newer pic or 2, too
i'm about one week into 12on/12off lighting. the bud sites are standing more vertical near the top. got about 6 or 8 bud sites reaching pretty far up, plus the central stem bud site. the lower bud sites get less light but overall look good to me, with less pistils.
watered earlier, 64oz/450ppm/6.4to6.5pH. picked off about 6 smaller leaves. there are more full-size fan leaves ready to pull about halfway up the plant... just dried up & wilting, no longed required. will do that soon. should grab a newer pic or 2, too
Dr Gruber
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Taking clones insures that you will get the pheno that you want. On my g13 grow i had two different phenos and if i had only kept the small plant i would have been very sorry. You can reveg after harvest but i have never done it and i understand it takes a long time. Clones also insure that you wont have to spend the money to buy more seeds of the same plant. You can root clones under small amounts of light without a problem...i have mine under a 125 watt CFL and it works great. You would need another room so you can run the lights for 18 hrs. Then when the clone roots you will have a nice mother plant to take clones from and you can flower then when you wish.
When the mother plant gets bigger you will need more light at that point to keep her healthy. I have found the best time to take clones for me is after they show pre-flowers and right before i put them into the flower room.
When the mother plant gets bigger you will need more light at that point to keep her healthy. I have found the best time to take clones for me is after they show pre-flowers and right before i put them into the flower room.
supersymmetry
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@dr.grub: i think i will just skip cloning and keep things simple since i don't know what the hell i'm doing, as a 1st time grower. i plan on flowering my one g13 as it is now, from seed to flower. for one thing, i saw no mention of taking clones on your journal. it sounded to me like you planted 2 seeds & grew them out and that's all it sounded like.
maybe if there was an online, start-to-finish, all-inclusive guide to cloning, with different routes you can take, maybe then i woulda followed that. by "different routes", i mean for example, you personally don't re-vegetate your clones; some people do. ok well, which option does a newby pick? just flip a coin and shoot in the dark? not my style... there's all sorts of forks in the road like that, and i just don't have time right now for new complexity. i looked at several how-to's, and it seems like people who write them assume that the reader can fill in the huge gaps they leave in the info, and they don't include pics, etc., so... fuck a bunch of that. maybe on my second seed i will clone, but not this time around, because i'm pretty sure i would mess things up.
misted-down w/ 6.5pH tap water, watered w/ 96oz made up of 50% old mix (450ppm/6.4pH grow nute) and 50% new mix (500ppm/6.4pH bloom nute). next water cycle will be exact same, but 33% old mix & 67% new mix. picked off a few smaller leaves & 1 fan leaf. measured plant last night @ 31" height. looks a full inch higher today. got some pix last night. will post when i can. need to raise light again, and i'm fairly outta room w/ current mounting. need to re-mount light higher up tomorrow.
as an experiment, i added a mini bungee cord on one branch to see if i could prop it up higher so it gets more light. will check tomorrow to see if it's a worthwhile strategy or not.
bud sites lookin mighty fine by my standards. there's pistils everywhere and bud density is starting to happen, etc especially on the upper ones.
more later if i remember important stuff
maybe if there was an online, start-to-finish, all-inclusive guide to cloning, with different routes you can take, maybe then i woulda followed that. by "different routes", i mean for example, you personally don't re-vegetate your clones; some people do. ok well, which option does a newby pick? just flip a coin and shoot in the dark? not my style... there's all sorts of forks in the road like that, and i just don't have time right now for new complexity. i looked at several how-to's, and it seems like people who write them assume that the reader can fill in the huge gaps they leave in the info, and they don't include pics, etc., so... fuck a bunch of that. maybe on my second seed i will clone, but not this time around, because i'm pretty sure i would mess things up.
misted-down w/ 6.5pH tap water, watered w/ 96oz made up of 50% old mix (450ppm/6.4pH grow nute) and 50% new mix (500ppm/6.4pH bloom nute). next water cycle will be exact same, but 33% old mix & 67% new mix. picked off a few smaller leaves & 1 fan leaf. measured plant last night @ 31" height. looks a full inch higher today. got some pix last night. will post when i can. need to raise light again, and i'm fairly outta room w/ current mounting. need to re-mount light higher up tomorrow.
as an experiment, i added a mini bungee cord on one branch to see if i could prop it up higher so it gets more light. will check tomorrow to see if it's a worthwhile strategy or not.
bud sites lookin mighty fine by my standards. there's pistils everywhere and bud density is starting to happen, etc especially on the upper ones.
more later if i remember important stuff
supersymmetry
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note to self for next time: skip the 54" room and stay w/ the 34" hularoom! well ok, made from the drip tubing, so it could easily come apart for inspection/maintenance/watering. the 34" had a better light spreading mirror since it was all 1 continuous piece, it was much more manageable in size, and it woulda helped branches climb more vertically. i went w/ 54" coz i was afraid of the tippety tips of the leaves touching walls, but there's no real harm in that, and more importantly there's still lots of empty space all around not being used. if anything, maybe go w/ 34" lower / 40" upper, or vice versa, whatever shape distributes the light the best... smaller than 54 for sure. and yeah different phenotypes will grow differently but still, 54 too big for me
Dr Gruber
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ok...if you want to clone in the future Jorge Cervantes grow bible has a step by step method that i learned from so you could too.