1600Kw vertical grow tent. Hybrid Aero/RDWC build.

drekoushranada

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You got it backwards Jman, long and skinny is Sativa, just like my beautiful Blue Dream. But I'll cut you a break since I go by "Jman" when vending or volunteering at dispensaries. But you are most certainly correct that Dre is light years ahead most people on their first grow. I think he might have a little bit of genius in him.

When are you going to get your feet wet, friend?
Yeah you informed him before I did. Its not really genius I was just lucky to find friends like you and others on this site that actually gave me the correct information. I just happen to be a good thinker. Haha. Well its about time for me to start up a microbe tea and get ready for a water change. Im coming up on day 20 something of flower. Should I up the ppm? They are at 950 ATM. I didnt think this Blue Widow would grow so well. It super surprised me. If I could have taken a clone to keep I would have. Once I get settled I will get into cloning. Because this sexing plants and trying to calculate the growth vigor is not fun trust me. I under calculated on all of that stuff. :D Jozikins It seems like you have a busy schedule dude. But keep spreading that love bro. Im sure you are and will be getting it back 10 fold!
 

Jman305

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lol I was going to edit my post before anyone noticed but you got me. I just had some amazing hydro last night and I must say I was thinking circles. Glad to know someone else has the nickname as well :)
 

Jman305

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Upon further thought I saw a bubblegum grow awhile back that had similar leaf structure to the above photograph. I was under the impression that bubblegum was indica dominant. Does leaf structure vary by phenotype?

You got it backwards Jman, long and skinny is Sativa, just like my beautiful Blue Dream. But I'll cut you a break since I go by "Jman" when vending or volunteering at dispensaries. But you are most certainly correct that Dre is light years ahead most people on their first grow. I think he might have a little bit of genius in him.

When are you going to get your feet wet, friend?
I've tried a couple of times through helping other people grow and tried an outdoor once but it got dug up and it was too late in the season to start over. I'm looking to save back and possibly start an indoor LED and CFL grow. I've seen more than promising results from Irishboy here on this site and I believe that a DWC setup with a little LST and ScROG would be the direction I'm looking to go. I've done a LOT of research on trimming and training techniques and how light effects our plants. There's a load of information out there. Just gotta get to savin that money back, those LED's are expensive.
 

drekoushranada

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Well went in the tent and tried to take some pics but its too darn bright for my cam. Well this is the best I could do friends.
 

SWUSAZ

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Sweet stuff starting to happen now and soon the fun really begins. Great work and so happy for you. Not sure if you are interested but you may want to check this out if you want to drop some temps for a possible better output spectrum. CMH cooler more stuff to play with. http://advancedtechlighting.com/cmhfact3.htm
 

Jozikins

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Upon further thought I saw a bubblegum grow awhile back that had similar leaf structure to the above photograph. I was under the impression that bubblegum was indica dominant. Does leaf structure vary by phenotype?



I've tried a couple of times through helping other people grow and tried an outdoor once but it got dug up and it was too late in the season to start over. I'm looking to save back and possibly start an indoor LED and CFL grow. I've seen more than promising results from Irishboy here on this site and I believe that a DWC setup with a little LST and ScROG would be the direction I'm looking to go. I've done a LOT of research on trimming and training techniques and how light effects our plants. There's a load of information out there. Just gotta get to savin that money back, those LED's are expensive.
Usually that depends on which variety is dominant, indica or sativa, but, in rare instances, yes it can be based purely on phenotype. I have 2 sativa dominant plants that have GIGANTIC but very fat leaves, the very fat stature of the leaves makes it look like indica, but it's the giant size that is the sativa clue, you just wouldn't think about it. On the same note, I have a indica that has these little tiny skinny leaves, and it looks like it's sativa from just the leaves, but it's the smaller leaves that give away it's indica heritage. I happen to have an eye for the rare and bizarre though, so you wont see this commonly. I don't remember if Bubblegum is indica or sativa, but a quick google search could deal with that, but it's 4:20 am (smoke a bowl!) and I'm too tired for google. lol.

LED and CFL are both great for veg, I've seen good results from LED in flower too, but HPS still trumps them all. LED is great if you have heat issues though, I am going to stick a 240w Blackstar panel between my two 600w HPS. The nice thing about LED growers is that they are usually new to the scene and give up easily, so I can trade them a oz or so for just about anything. After you sink all that money into making bud and you fail, you really just want some good bud out of it. Hopefully you do better than they do! I use CFL in veg right now, love it. Right in between MH and t5 quality wise and growth wise, better than t5 by a long shot. I am talking about 125w-250w horticulture grade CFL btw.

I have a few beasts going on outside right now actually, first time growing more than 3 or 4 plants outside. I suggest putting them in containers unless you have a safe back yard, containers are so nice and easy to move around or hide a plant on a rainy day. You should also consider ruderalis for your next out door, since you haven't completed a harvest yet. SCROG and LST are both the shit btw.

Yeah you informed him before I did. Its not really genius I was just lucky to find friends like you and others on this site that actually gave me the correct information. I just happen to be a good thinker. Haha. Well its about time for me to start up a microbe tea and get ready for a water change. Im coming up on day 20 something of flower. Should I up the ppm? They are at 950 ATM. I didnt think this Blue Widow would grow so well. It super surprised me. If I could have taken a clone to keep I would have. Once I get settled I will get into cloning. Because this sexing plants and trying to calculate the growth vigor is not fun trust me. I under calculated on all of that stuff. :D Jozikins It seems like you have a busy schedule dude. But keep spreading that love bro. Im sure you are and will be getting it back 10 fold!
It's people like you that keep me striving to do better. You do so well on your first attempt I need to make every attempt here-after a balls-to-the-wall attempt or I'm not going to stack up! I know it's hard to get everything down and adjusted in the beginning, but you are going to learn so much more from this multi strain grow. And I could have told you that the Blue Widow is a total beast, and champion grower! In speaking of which, my White Berry (reversed Blue Widow) is fucking totally systemic!! Every seedling so far has mold all over the stem about a month into veg. Pisses me off! This is what I get from buying seeds from someone who just breed out there own White Berry stock, instead of Paradise Seeds. Luckily I have 3 non moldy fem Grape Krush to replace them with, but still, I really wanted some White Berry again this harvest. Stupid bastard can't keep mold off his breeding pairs, wtf?? Don't sell that shit to me!

But seriously bro, I'm glad I can help you in any way. I know it will come back to me 10fold when you teach me something that is going to totally blow my mind. I mean, you've been borderline doing that this entire time. haha.
I am a busy mother fucker, no doubt about it. My schedule is grow, grow, grow, eat, shit, grow. I try and have as much fun with the cannabis scene here in CA as possible without breaking the law. The fact that the law out here has such a big fat gray line makes it quite the adventure.

Your plants look amazing btw, pretty fucking good for 20 days. I actually just finished brewing up some tea. I normally discard the stocking full of ewc and guano, but I decided to give it a second 36 hour round with fresh water after the initial 48 hour brew. If it doesn't go rancid it will be free food for all my outdoor plants. I'm trying not to spend too much money on outdoor, there is no point in doing it if you are dumping a bunch of money into it.
 

drekoushranada

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Okay Im starting to notice what people ment by the smell certain strains have. I touched one plant and it smelled like some of the best perfume ever. The Mrs. went crazy when she smelled it. The smell was a mixture of mint and fruit. Now its a few skunky ones in the mix I love. i am really thinking of getting rid of that pure sativa plant in the rear left hand side of my pics. Its a huge space bully and does not have bud sites like the other plants. Plus I dont have the time to flower this pure sativa. Do you all think I should get rid of it or give it some time? I think the Critical + can use the light more than that darn Sativa. I would love that brachy sucker if I was doing a Scrog.
 

Jozikins

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Yeah strong sativas should be outside or in a dedicated grow space, unless you have a small screen you can scrog with in the grow room. It is up to you if you want to throw her away, but the thing is, do you think the weight you gain from the new light will justify the weight lost by throwing out a plant.

If she is causing a real problem for you or your other plants, you can't have a single plant jeopardize your entire grow. So if it must be done it must be done, with a cold heart.

I love plants with unique smells, it's so hard to describe the sweet perfume my BD makes too, but it is a little skunky sometimes. I have had a few stains that have a wonderful perfume, and I've had some that were peppery or hashy, or even smell like mulling spices. I've had strains smell like straight skunk or straight earth. But BD is really fruity, that is for sure!

Oh, and my tea didn't go rank, it and actually got more than 48 hours brewing for the second batch. All the plants outside loved the second batch. It was low in PPM's but was super inoculated with all the amazing microbes I put into it. There is such thing as good sludge and bad sludge, my plants will tell you! Found a fucking caterpillar munching away though, squished him to hell! Spraying them down tomorrow.
 

drekoushranada

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Yeah strong sativas should be outside or in a dedicated grow space, unless you have a small screen you can scrog with in the grow room. It is up to you if you want to throw her away, but the thing is, do you think the weight you gain from the new light will justify the weight lost by throwing out a plant.

If she is causing a real problem for you or your other plants, you can't have a single plant jeopardize your entire grow. So if it must be done it must be done, with a cold heart.

I love plants with unique smells, it's so hard to describe the sweet perfume my BD makes too, but it is a little skunky sometimes. I have had a few stains that have a wonderful perfume, and I've had some that were peppery or hashy, or even smell like mulling spices. I've had strains smell like straight skunk or straight earth. But BD is really fruity, that is for sure!

Oh, and my tea didn't go rank, it and actually got more than 48 hours brewing for the second batch. All the plants outside loved the second batch. It was low in PPM's but was super inoculated with all the amazing microbes I put into it. There is such thing as good sludge and bad sludge, my plants will tell you! Found a fucking caterpillar munching away though, squished him to hell! Spraying them down tomorrow.
Damn those bugs. Im sure the outdoors plants have a super sweet smell. Im going to grab some of that extra caging I have and train it today. I love bennies. I think plants gain more from using them. How big do your outdoor plants get? The weight gain vs throwing it out is a great question. Im not sure really. So since im not sure I will just make a screen! :D
 

drekoushranada

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These are some bloody great ladies. I did a ton of training and cleaning up today that took me almost 2 hours. Had to turn the HIDs of and put in some cfls so I could work and take some pics. Im not sure why I didnt take no pics after the clean up and training but I forgot. Im still learning and keeping it balls to the walls. I decided to keep the Sativa lady. This vert grow is making some soon to be huge colas out of branches that you would not of imagined would ever make any. Got a pick of the stem of that sativa I was going to get rid of. I know it look crowded. Haha. Im going to do a water change tomorrow and up the ppms to 1100-1200. They are really hungry and im sure they will take well to the increase from what I have been seeing. I got the tent dialed in and my temps are between 77-81 with lights on. Any advice or questions?
 

SWUSAZ

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Sweet Jesus you are going to have your hands full throw up some picks after the colossal garden has been tended, this I have to see. I am thinking of individual SCROG screens for each type of container whether hydro sort or a soil too pre-empt any cutting problems. But I only have the 400 CMH and the LED. I pity you if these beasts all finish close to the same time. Of course you will be feeling fine and the finger / hand pain will be all that much more enjoyable.
 

SWUSAZ

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Also noted during your initial assembly, I see you were taking into account the flow patterns, is that why you beveled intakes and outputs to not flow straight thru I believe that was your intent correct? And if you were going to build the containers again would you have moved the intakes on outputs to opposite ends? Reason I am asking as this is my first real grow and I am leaning towards these Igloo 5 day coolers that are approx 18 X 24 footprint which in the 4 X 4 tent will leave me with some maneuvering room. Have you seen them they are on wheels with a extendable handles integrated in Wally World? I think with my extreme heat in the valley of the sun that would assist in the res temps staying manageable. Maybe temps can even be maintained at the magical 70 degree mark inside an AC room not sure. Just throwing thing out there trying to learn from those that are a step ahead.
 

drekoushranada

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Sweet Jesus you are going to have your hands full throw up some picks after the colossal garden has been tended, this I have to see. I am thinking of individual SCROG screens for each type of container whether hydro sort or a soil too pre-empt any cutting problems. But I only have the 400 CMH and the LED. I pity you if these beasts all finish close to the same time. Of course you will be feeling fine and the finger / hand pain will be all that much more enjoyable.
Lol. My hands were super sticky after I finished with them. I will try to grab some pics tomorrow. I would do it now but they are sleeping. Im sure you can set up a mean Scrog with the combo of the 400 CMH and LED. I hope I will have some help trimming them up for sure! I noticed with a vert grow you can run pretty much any strain as long as the ladies feed the same. But even if they dont im sure they will find plenty of food in the over 75 gallons of sauce running in the system. Im actually very aprehensive of taking on a soil grow. I know it may seem crazy but I am. But im going to get an outdoor organic one in sometime.
 

drekoushranada

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Also noted during your initial assembly, I see you were taking into account the flow patterns, is that why you beveled intakes and outputs to not flow straight thru I believe that was your intent correct? And if you were going to build the containers again would you have moved the intakes on outputs to opposite ends? Reason I am asking as this is my first real grow and I am leaning towards these Igloo 5 day coolers that are approx 18 X 24 footprint which in the 4 X 4 tent will leave me with some maneuvering room. Have you seen them they are on wheels with a extendable handles integrated in Wally World? I think with my extreme heat in the valley of the sun that would assist in the res temps staying manageable. Maybe temps can even be maintained at the magical 70 degree mark inside an AC room not sure. Just throwing thing out there trying to learn from those that are a step ahead.
Yes I have seen those coolers and I think they are great. I heard they are some awesome insulators. Well if I had to do it all over again I would use 6" pots and have the water floweing from the top. I think I have another much simpler design that will give even better results. I had to change so many things after the misters got clogged. Now the water flows free through the 3/4" pvc. Make sure you use ball valves so you can control the flow. Well you actually only need one on your pump. As far as the inlets and outlets go I had to adjust them to my tent. I originaly wanted them on the outside.
 

drekoushranada

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ROOT PORN!! I got a few request to see the root zone. So I figured I will take some during the water change. This is the roots of the Dinafem Blue Widow. The tent after I did the training yesterday.
 

drekoushranada

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I may be getting rid of the grow you all. The ex girlfriend that stays with me made a comment I didn't like in the form of a threat. I think im going to deep 6 the operation tomorrow! This really sucks because I put a lot in it!
 

Jman305

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I may be getting rid of the grow you all. The ex girlfriend that stays with me made a comment I didn't like in the form of a threat. I think im going to deep 6 the operation tomorrow! This really sucks because I put a lot in it!
Tell her to gtfo lol. No man I'm just kidding, that really sucks. You put a lot of time and effort into this grow and you've been having amazing results. Sorry to hear about that.
 
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