Like Rats From A Sinking Ship

[MuyLocoNC]

If your conclusion is "the progressive agenda did it" I think you're reaching. It's an obviously extremely partisan position too, you are just interpretating the article that way through your own biased lens; And we all do it to an extent, but it doesn't really help the discussion so why not try to limit it? You know, lead by example? This can be a good politics section or it can be your standard trollfest.

The problem is that you aren't even basing your argument on evidence, you're simply pointing out that several of those states are blue; Correlation, but where is the causation? Where in the article does it say, "Progressive policies" are what caused the trend? Is there any hard evidence to suggest that progressive policies are what is causing this trend? Facts. Evidence. Try it.

I guess I can say it again, I live in and run a small business that caters to new home owners in NC near Raleigh. We have been FLOODED with people from the North East moving here and buying brand new homes. I spend 5 to 10 hours with each of these customers and to a person, they have all stated the reasons they left their home state were taxes and impossible conditions for business. I live in a fairly affluent neighborhood with the average home costing north of $400k and with a few exceptions it's filled with working professionals and small business owners. The neighborhood is only 7 years old and we got in early. Over the years, it has been almost completely populated with people from the North East and they all say the exact same thing. I certainly can't say it's impirical data, but it's been so consistent that I can't see it being a coincidence.

If it's high taxes and over regulation that is driving them out, it sure isn't what I consider the Conservative agenda that is responsible for those conditions. Especially since the Conservatives in those areas haven't been in control and certainly didn't support the policies that were enacted.

 

[dukeanthony]

I guess I can say it again, I live in and run a small business that caters to new home owners in NC near Raleigh. We have been FLOODED with people from the North East moving here and buying brand new homes. I spend 5 to 10 hours with each of these customers and to a person, they have all stated the reasons they left their home state were taxes and impossible conditions for business. I live in a fairly affluent neighborhood with the average home costing north of $400k and with a few exceptions it's filled with working professionals and small business owners. The neighborhood is only 7 years old and we got in early. Over the years, it has been almost completely populated with people from the North East and they all say the exact same thing. I certainly can't say it's impirical data, but it's been so consistent that I can't see it being a coincidence.

If it's high taxes and over regulation that is driving them out, it sure isn't what I consider the Conservative agenda that is responsible for those conditions. Especially since the Conservatives in those areas haven't been in control and certainly didn't support the policies that were enacted.

So they are willing to relocate and give up their existing jobs? Becuase of A liberal agenda is driving them out?

Maybe it has something to do with the Job market. Becuase if they amortized the tax savings. it wouldnt be worth it

 

[ink the world]

I guess I can say it again, I live in and run a small business that caters to new home owners in NC near Raleigh. We have been FLOODED with people from the North East moving here and buying brand new homes. I spend 5 to 10 hours with each of these customers and to a person, they have all stated the reasons they left their home state were taxes and impossible conditions for business. I live in a fairly affluent neighborhood with the average home costing north of $400k and with a few exceptions it's filled with working professionals and small business owners. The neighborhood is only 7 years old and we got in early. Over the years, it has been almost completely populated with people from the North East and they all say the exact same thing. I certainly can't say it's impirical data, but it's been so consistent that I can't see it being a coincidence.

If it's high taxes and over regulation that is driving them out, it sure isn't what I consider the Conservative agenda that is responsible for those conditions. Especially since the Conservatives in those areas haven't been in control and certainly didn't support the policies that were enacted.

Funny how my experience reflects yours.

I live in coastal New England in Maine, one of the states that the OP was talkng about.
I meet alot of "transplants" that come here to escape high crime rates, horrific public schools and overly conservative politics down south.

My sister in law moved their family down there (Raleigh area) for a job and guess what? They hate it. The public schools suck, the crime rate is high....All the money they save on the cheap property down there they give right back in school tuition and to live in a gated community to stay away from the high crime rate.

I'll keep paying high property taxes to ensure that my kids stay in one of the top public school systems in the country, my town isnt a shithole, there are NO gangbangers and crime is pretty rare. To be honest the crime rate is only a problem when all the Masshole tourists invade our area for their summer vacations. I sleep w/ my windows open, never lock the doors and never lock my cars.
After living like this for a couple decades I could never go back to living any other way.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

Yea I'm one of them "God Damn Yankee's",,,That moved where ever the hell i wan't in "America",,,Because Im free too,,,Not far from you McGoon and would be more than willin' to smoke your ass out. If ya know what I'm sayin'.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I can't speak of the entire south, but I'm a native Californian and I don't see it. Fayetteville can be pretty ugly but the Triangle is pretty awesome. In fact, I live near Cary, which was ranked as the best town to live in two years in a row when we moved here, and it still rocks. Great schools, low crime and a very high concentration of fantastic universities.

I've lived in Southern Cali, Oregon, Denver, Orlando, Missouri, Penns, Wash DC, Virginia, Nevada and with few exceptions this is one of the nicest places we've spent time in. I do miss California, but I don't think I would recognize it anyways.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

I can't speak of the entire south, but I'm a native Californian and I don't see it. Fayetteville can be pretty ugly but the Triangle is pretty awesome. In fact, I live near Cary, which was ranked as the best town to live in two years in a row when we moved here, and it still rocks. Great schools, low crime and a very high concentration of fantastic universities.

I've lived in Southern Cali, Oregon, Denver, Orlando, Missouri, Penns, Wash DC, Virginia, Nevada and with few exceptions this is one of the nicest places we've spent time in. I do miss California, but I don't think I would recognize it anyways.

Well I say before you trash the NE,,,Maybe give it a try before giving it such a Bad label. You can afford it,,,If you can handle cold and snow.

 

[ink the world]

From neighborhoodscout.com about Raliegh:

"The crime rate in Raleigh is considerably higher than the national average across all communities in America from the largest to the smallest"

"For Raleigh, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included forcible rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these crimes in Raleigh is one in 173."

"NeighborhoodScout's analysis also reveals that Raleigh's rate for property crime is 35 per one thousand population. This makes Raleigh a place where there is an above average chance of becoming a victim of a property crime, when compared to all other communities in America of all population sizes. "


Yeah, sounds like nirvana to me
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[ink the world]

Well I say before you trash the NE,,,Maybe give it a try before giving it such a Bad label. You can afford it,,,If you can handle cold and snow.

I dont think he was being harsh on us up here....but you are right, need to b a hearty person to deal w/ the winters up here.....northern NE winters are definitely not for the weak hearted amongst us

Ive lived all over the states, California, Texas, Florida and I wouldnt take any of them over New England.....real season changes rule

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

I hate NC,,,No one can drive they are idiot's but I can say Charlotte is one of the nice's big citie's or medium citie's i have been to,,,I Travel everywhere east of the missisppi river. Plus Like south carolina they will throw you in Jail for speeding in a work zone!

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Well I say before you trash the NE,,,Maybe give it a try before giving it such a Bad label. You can afford it,,,If you can handle cold and snow.

I'm not trashing the NE at all, I have very little experience with it, all these people I meet from there are trashing it.

I hate NC,,,No one can drive they are idiot's but I can say Charlotte is one of the nice's big citie's or medium citie's i have been to,,,I Travel everywhere east of the missisppi river. Plus Like south carolina they will throw you in Jail for speeding in a work zone!

Charlotte is nice, Cary is nicer...as are most suburbs near large cities I've lived in. You're right they don't drive well here at all, my buddy moved his family here from Penn. to be near my family and we talk about it all the time. They make a concerted effort to NOT use their turn signals in this state. But the folks in NJ make these drivers look like professionals.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

Well Ha, NJ I agree,,,that place suck's except the food. Good food bad driver's.

 

[UncleBuck]

if people are fleeing "progressive shit holes", then why is wyoming still so barren?

 

[UncleBuck]

But the folks in NJ make these drivers look like professionals.

i am from oregon, the land of overly courteous drivers. i am the only i know that uses my horn regularly.

i visited NJ a couple years back. got a rental car, got on the highway, had to make a lane change right away. left a good amount of room for the car behind me, got honked at anyway. got honked at so often it was a joke.

fuck NJ drivers.

 

[jeff f]

Im pretty sure redivider was saying that the saturated market is probably the reason no homes are being built, cos theres already too many on the market. They'll be giving houses away with boxes of breakfast cereal soon, why would any sensible person want to build more worthless boxes?

thats all combined to gether in the charts. permits, new homes, excisting homes. nothing is selling at any level, and the drop in permits is of the most importance. that stimulates many companies like oil for paving, limestone mining for concrete, loggers for cutting down trees. truckers for hauling that shit,copper mining for wiring, i tech stuff for tv's and such. big ticket stuff like refrigeratores, stoves.

it is the holy grail of economic stimulation

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

thats all combined to gether in the charts. permits, new homes, excisting homes. nothing is selling at any level, and the drop in permits is of the most importance. that stimulates many companies like oil for paving, limestone mining for concrete, loggers for cutting down trees. truckers for hauling that shit,copper mining for wiring, i tech stuff for tv's and such. big ticket stuff like refrigeratores, stoves.

it is the holy grail of economic stimulation

Maybe think about the recycle bussiness,,,That will be a positive step ahead IMO..Come up with somthing new and profitable. Outta something old and worn out.

 

[Red1966]

Funny They mention
Ohio Pennsylvania and Maine

Those aint Blue states

Any state that could elect and re-elect Dennis Kocinach has to be VERY liberal.

 

[UncleBuck]

Any state that could elect and re-elect Dennis Kocinach has to be VERY liberal.

kucinich is a representative, the state as a whole does not vote on him, only a segment of the state. you're welcome.

 

[Red1966]

kucinich is a representative, the state as a whole does not vote on him, only a segment of the state. you're welcome.

Still, he got the majority of votes. You can't argue that he isn't extremely liberal. You're splitting hairs if you think it means less because he is a Representative instead of a Senator. What part of "representative" means "not representative"?

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

Still, he got the majority of votes. You can't argue that he isn't extremely liberal. You're splitting hairs if you think it means less because he is a Representative instead of a Senator. What part of "representative" means "not representative"?

Why ,,, Reality ,,,Is Home again......

 

[UncleBuck]

Still, he got the majority of votes. You can't argue that he isn't extremely liberal. You're splitting hairs if you think it means less because he is a Representative instead of a Senator. What part of "representative" means "not representative"?

he got the majority of votes from ohio's 10th district, a tiny little place that is over 99% urban.

western cleveland is barely representative of the state as a whole.

you're welcome again.