Budder vs. Honey Oil

newgrowboxgrower

newgrowboxgrower

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munch box said:
this is a nail bong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHhp5OzkdiA Sometimes I smoke honey oil by spreading it on a paper like butter on toast. then roll a joint. It beats smoking it out of a meth pipe. eewww!
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sweet man, can i come smoke that with u? ill pitch

never tried oil from meth pipe... never tried meth pipe at all lol..... nail bong seems pretty sweet

no disrespect but i always seem to think spreading oil on pprs is a waste of oil but a few grains of budder in a joint makes the joint 3x better... i would never pass up an oil joint btw just sayin id rather do blades with oil or a bong like that than waste it in joint. all it does is make the cherry smoke more and oil floats out the window
 
Brimi

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I'm going to get me one of those skillets for my bong too. Looks very nice, clean and concentrated.

So most people agree that oil and butter are equally potent?
 
LD25Delta9

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NO! Are you guys really that fuckin' high you didn't understand the science behind my post? You don't need to purge your Budder if you make it right, too. It's called a double boiler... I'm not trying to sound like an ass.....wait, yes I am.

The whole process of turning BHO into Budder evaporates and condenses the compound. The amount of THC stays the same. So if the mass that takes up the same amount of THC is smaller than it originally was, then the finished product (Budder) will have a higher amount of THC by weight than the original product (BHO). GET IT? Here's a super simple MSpaint to show you.Budder.jpg

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fdd2blk

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does chopping up your bud get you higher than smoking whole nuggets?

gtfo of here with all this nonsense.

:eyesmoke:
 
Brimi

Brimi

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LD25Delta9 said:
NO! Are you guys really that fuckin' high you didn't understand the science behind my post? You don't need to purge your Budder if you make it right, too. It's called a double boiler... I'm not trying to sound like an ass.....wait, yes I am.

The whole process of turning BHO into Budder evaporates and condenses the compound. The amount of THC stays the same. So if the mass that takes up the same amount of THC is smaller than it originally was, then the finished product (Budder) will have a higher amount of THC by weight than the original product (BHO). GET IT? Here's a super simple MSpaint to show you.View attachment 1751672

I hope this better explains it...
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Hehe - to be honest it sounds like you're a little high buddy.
When whipping the oil you put air into the oil increasing the volume, so the oil takes up more space.

To make it easy to understand let's say we have 10 grams of oil containing 50% THC (and other cannabinoids) - this gives us 5 grams of THC.
Now we continue to whip air into the oil making budder - when done we will have 10 grams of budder with 50% THC - this gives us 5 grams of THC (and off course the air will weigh a little - but VERY little).

So what this process does is increasing the volume of the oil. So now you have more pin heads of oil but each pin head has to deliver a little less THC since.... well it contains a little less THC than the pinhead with pure oil.

But as written - i'm not sure if the combustion or something makes the budder burn more evenly making distributing easier - thus making you more high with budder than with oil - that's really my question.

Sounds like your math works in the exact oposite way ;O) In your drawing you actually increase the amount of THC - so you actually think that whipping up oil will grow you THC? If this was really the case you would never find either bud or honey oil on the streets - it would all have been turned into budder to increase value just by adding... air??? That's like saying you could increase your amount of gold by putting it in a blender. Trust me - you'll end up with the exact same amount of gold buddy so save your time (and gold and blender) ;O)
 
Sk306

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Brimi said:
Hehe - to be honest it sounds like you're a little high buddy.
When whipping the oil you put air into the oil increasing the volume, so the oil takes up more space.

To make it easy to understand let's say we have 10 grams of oil containing 50% THC (and other cannabinoids) - this gives us 5 grams of THC.
Now we continue to whip air into the oil making budder - when done we will have 10 grams of budder with 50% THC - this gives us 5 grams of THC (and off course the air will weigh a little - but VERY little).

So what this process does is increasing the volume of the oil. So now you have more pin heads of oil but each pin head has to deliver a little less THC since.... well it contains a little less THC than the pinhead with pure oil.

But as written - i'm not sure if the combustion or something makes the budder burn more evenly making distributing easier - thus making you more high with budder than with oil - that's really my question.

Sounds like your math works in the exact oposite way ;O) In your drawing you actually increase the amount of THC - so you actually think that whipping up oil will grow you THC? If this was really the case you would never find either bud or honey oil on the streets - it would all have been turned into budder to increase value just by adding... air??? That's like saying you could increase your amount of gold by putting it in a blender. Trust me - you'll end up with the exact same amount of gold buddy so save your time (and gold and blender) ;O)
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Sorry but i think i agree with LD if i undertsand him right.. I have made budder alot of times and it gives you a product that is more pure than if you were to leave it in oil form, i am almost 99% sure of this because if you make budder the correct way your definitely not whipping air into it, you can quit halfway through yeah and it is like you said but REAL budder will weigh alot less then if u left it in oil form because it is broken down into a paste like texture on the plate if you whip it correctly, scrape that up and press it together and there is your budder.. always weighs less then your oil would and has a higher THC percentage in regards to the weight, but still the same amount of thc in the end product as there would be in oil, minus that 20% or so of extra weight. Ya get me?
 
Brimi

Brimi

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Sk306 said:
Sorry but i think i agree with LD if i undertsand him right.. I have made budder alot of times and it gives you a product that is more pure than if you were to leave it in oil form, i am almost 99% sure of this because if you make budder the correct way your definitely not whipping air into it, you can quit halfway through yeah and it is like you said but REAL budder will weigh alot less then if u left it in oil form because it is broken down into a paste like texture on the plate if you whip it correctly, scrape that up and press it together and there is your budder.. always weighs less then your oil would and has a higher THC percentage in regards to the weight, but still the same amount of thc in the end product as there would be in oil, minus that 20% or so of extra weight. Ya get me?
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I get you, but think you're wrong. I know that budder weighs less than oil because it's full with tiny air bubbles - so budder's volume increases making it lighter. The whole batch of budder will weigh almost exactly the same as the oil you start with - you just have more because it's mixed with air. So budder would have a slight smaller percetage of THC than the oil (because there's no THC in air (and what a shame that is). So same amount of oil - same amount of THC - but more air.
 
LD25Delta9

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Same amount of oil?!?!? You guys are rr..rrr..rrrrr.rrrrrEALY FUCKIN HIGH ON DRUGS! I'm sorry but when I start with 3 gs of oil I do NOT end with 3 gs of budder. I end up with about 1 1/2 to 2..... and sorry if my paint abilities weren't so exacting. I'm sorry if I enlarged the THC bubble by 13% because I don't have the steadiest of hands....for being as high as you are, you sure are a Nazi...and a rep whore....

I'm done with this thread. There is no sense in trying to teach someone who doesn't want to learn. I've been making budder for YEARS and I'll continue to make it and get higher off my budder than any of your BHO could ever hope to. Bottom line. Period. Exclamation Point.

Good day to you, sirs!
 
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fdd2blk

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LD25Delta9 said:
Same amount of oil?!?!? You guys are rr..rrr..rrrrr.rrrrrEALY FUCKIN HIGH ON DRUGS! I'm sorry but when I start with 3 gs of oil I do NOT end with 3 gs of budder. I end up with about 1 1/2 to 2..... and sorry if my paint abilities weren't so exacting. I'm sorry if I enlarged the THC bubble by 13% because I don't have the steadiest of hands....for being as high as you are, you sure are a Nazi...and a rep whore....

I'm done with this thread. There is no sense in trying to teach someone who doesn't want to learn. I've been making budder for YEARS and I'll continue to make it and get higher off my budder than any of your BHO could ever hope to. Bottom line. Period. Exclamation Point.

Good day to you, sirs!
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winning!! :clap:
 
Brimi

Brimi

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LD25Delta9 said:
Same amount of oil?!?!? You guys are rr..rrr..rrrrr.rrrrrEALY FUCKIN HIGH ON DRUGS! I'm sorry but when I start with 3 gs of oil I do NOT end with 3 gs of budder. I end up with about 1 1/2 to 2..... and sorry if my paint abilities weren't so exacting. I'm sorry if I enlarged the THC bubble by 13% because I don't have the steadiest of hands....for being as high as you are, you sure are a Nazi...and a rep whore....

I'm done with this thread. There is no sense in trying to teach someone who doesn't want to learn. I've been making budder for YEARS and I'll continue to make it and get higher off my budder than any of your BHO could ever hope to. Bottom line. Period. Exclamation Point.

Good day to you, sirs!
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Only explanation i can give to you ending up with less budder is that there's still some butane left in the oil when you start? - but again - i've been wrong so many times before ;O)
I have not made budder, so i am not talking from experience. But i guess that if you can vaport oil away it will off course concentrate the oil when made into budder - just thought that oil is stable and won't evaporate.
Anyways - i'm going to believe that you're wrong until i get to test this myself. Have some Jack Herer running and will try and make a batch to test. Unfortunately i never even tried budder, but sure does look deliscous - but the oil does too - and that definitely works.
 
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suTraGrow

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LD25Delta9 said:
NO! Are you guys really that fuckin' high you didn't understand the science behind my post? You don't need to purge your Budder if you make it right, too. It's called a double boiler... I'm not trying to sound like an ass.....wait, yes I am.

The whole process of turning BHO into Budder evaporates and condenses the compound. The amount of THC stays the same. So if the mass that takes up the same amount of THC is smaller than it originally was, then the finished product (Budder) will have a higher amount of THC by weight than the original product (BHO). GET IT? Here's a super simple MSpaint to show you.View attachment 1751672

I hope this better explains it...
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Hmm yes a mighty stupid ass at that. You know a jack ass like the animal ;). NOT A INSULT . dont need another mod pming me telling me I'm not being sensitive enough.


Anyways...
I just injected 50cc of air into my nugs. Gonna do a test il post results ASAP
 
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suTraGrow

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LD25Delta9 said:
Same amount of oil?!?!? You guys are rr..rrr..rrrrr.rrrrrEALY FUCKIN HIGH ON DRUGS! I'm sorry but when I start with 3 gs of oil I do NOT end with 3 gs of budder. I end up with about 1 1/2 to 2..... and sorry if my paint abilities weren't so exacting. I'm sorry if I enlarged the THC bubble by 13% because I don't have the steadiest of hands....for being as high as you are, you sure are a Nazi...and a rep whore....

I'm done with this thread. There is no sense in trying to teach someone who doesn't want to learn. I've been making budder for YEARS and I'll continue to make it and get higher off my budder than any of your BHO could ever hope to. Bottom line. Period. Exclamation Point.

Good day to you, sirs!
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lol say air whipping it does increase potency. Because air has a very concentrated amount of thc in it. Well at least in my house I'm positive the oxygen does ;)
Anyways so lets live in your magical fairytale.
You said "I'll continue to make it and get higher off my budder than any of your BHO could ever hope to"
Even if did this work you would only be increasing it by a few mere %. Since BHO is already strong as hell do you really think you will be able to feel the extra effects??
Go look up how thc,thcv,cbd,cbn etc... receptors actually work and how they do have a saturation point. You might be surprised just how dumb you look with the highlight statement :)
 
newgrowboxgrower

newgrowboxgrower

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Sk306 said:
Sorry but i think i agree with LD if i undertsand him right.. I have made budder alot of times and it gives you a product that is more pure than if you were to leave it in oil form, i am almost 99% sure of this because if you make budder the correct way your definitely not whipping air into it, you can quit halfway through yeah and it is like you said but REAL budder will weigh alot less then if u left it in oil form because it is broken down into a paste like texture on the plate if you whip it correctly, scrape that up and press it together and there is your budder.. always weighs less then your oil would and has a higher THC percentage in regards to the weight, but still the same amount of thc in the end product as there would be in oil, minus that 20% or so of extra weight. Ya get me?
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NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE BUT
i totally agree with this post... the drawing was kinda stupid but it has the right idea, by whiping it you evaporate some of the dissolved chemical in the oil ie: isopropanol or butane (as well as plant waxes and chlorophyll) but the thc stays making it more potent than oil by weight not by volume

who ever said that whipping oil into budder puts air bubbles into it? that is what has you all confused... not rocket science either
whipping it makes it easier for the dissolved chemicals to separate and evaporate from the thc... that is it. your goal is not to bond thc with air molecules. your goal when you make budder is to make your medicine more pure
anyone who ever smoked budder before would know that right before you touch the pin to a blade ( or hot knife like the yankee doodles say) it melts into oil just before it burns into smoke.
i'm sure this will helphttp://http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html
 
newgrowboxgrower

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Brimi said:
I get you, but think you're wrong. I know that budder weighs less than oil because it's full with tiny air bubbles - so budder's volume increases making it lighter. The whole batch of budder will weigh almost exactly the same as the oil you start with - you just have more because it's mixed with air. So budder would have a slight smaller percetage of THC than the oil (because there's no THC in air (and what a shame that is). So same amount of oil - same amount of THC - but more air.
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simple science here guys
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WROTE
to bond air to thc would be a chemical reaction. it would no longer be thc.
adding heat and whipping oil is a physical reaction called agitation. agitation + heat causes solutions to evaporate. evaporation is a physical reaction.
you are evaporating the chemicals that the thc is dissolved in when you make budder.
 
newgrowboxgrower

newgrowboxgrower

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how could you get air to mix with heated oil?
hot air rises.
if anything, air bubbles that were dissolved into the oil would surface and be realeased into the atmosphere from heat and agitation.
buy some budder.
its sticky,flakey powder.
not full of air bubbles
 
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