opinions please anyone welcome

Should religion have age restrictions ?

  • yes

    Votes: 7 50.0%
  • no

    Votes: 7 50.0%

  • Total voters
    14

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

Well-Known Member
should religion have an age restriction on it ?

i personaly believe religious indoctrination in schools and many other parts of our childrens lives is child abuse , i believe religion should be a choice the individual makes when they are an adult (18 years of age ) .
 

DopeFeen

Well-Known Member
It's just the way it is, how your brought up in the early years, most religious people only find it right to teAch their kids
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
more of the statist agenda? shouldn't we be leaving the raising of children up to parents and not making every decision about their upbringing a matter of public debate?
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
Parents have the right to teach children about what they believe in, but not to force that belief or dogma on them. That is an nuanced line that is sure to be different with each situation. I do not think placing age restriction addresses the issue of defining that line, but instead offers a blanket solution that infringes on personal liberty. You are essentially saying as a parent one is forbidden from expressing themselves in any way that exposes children to religious beliefs. Rarely is exclusion and prohibition a successful policy. As a parent, don't you want your children to be curious and ask questions? Would you have them not even consider religion until a certain age? What happens when you tell a child a subject is taboo?

Religion should of course not be taught in public school. The reason is, as Americans we are all part of a club and we pay dues, some of which support schools. As members of the club we are subject to it's rule-book, the Constitution, which demands church and state stay separate. Religion can be taught in private schools, and parents have every right to choose a private school if they wish. Being a parent is all about teaching your kids your idea of the correct way to live.

When it comes to college I would like to see schools remove the taboo associated with questioning religious beliefs. In my critical thinking class we were told not to bring up religion for fear of offending someone. We were allowed to say "god bless you" or "I pray for you" or anything similar, but we were forbidden to discuss religion in a critical context. College is all about exploring knowledge and providing a free marketplace for ideas. When you are trying to figure out life and apply deep thoughts to subjects which are new to you, it's pretty much impossible to not hit upon offensive ideas once in a while.
 

dam612

Well-Known Member
religion is silly and should be abolished, it only seems to cause controversy in the long run. Believe in what you want to belive in but 9 times outta 9 your talking to the sky.
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
religion is silly and should be abolished
oh, by all means. let's just abolish anything we don't like, are personally offended by or simply don't understand. that's worked out so well for us. anybody recall the eighteenth amendment? perhaps a prohibition that is more current and more dear to our hearts?
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

Well-Known Member
religious indoctrination of children is the reason us brits and americans have young adult muslims ready to strap a bomb to their bodys and kill as many of us as possible .
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

Well-Known Member
is it ok for a kkk member to bring their children up believing the same as they do , or would we class that as child abuse ?
 

dam612

Well-Known Member
oh, by all means. let's just abolish anything we don't like, are personally offended by or simply don't understand. that's worked out so well for us. anybody recall the eighteenth amendment? perhaps a prohibition that is more current and more dear to our hearts?
I think people should believe in themselves and stop using religion as a crutch.
 

patlpp

New Member
religious indoctrination of children is the reason us brits and americans have young adult muslims ready to strap a bomb to their bodys and kill as many of us as possible .
No, in these cases religion is just a cover. What is indoctrinated is plain ass hatred.
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
religious indoctrination of children is the reason us brits and americans have young adult muslims ready to strap a bomb to their bodys and kill as many of us as possible .
If you can't distinguish between religious fanaticism and religious fundamentalism, then how much have you really thought about the subject?
 

bud nugbong

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i know when i was a kid the idea of god , heaven, hell scared the shit out of me. i thought how fucked up is it that all these people can see me naked lol. i thought god was watching me shit. but it only took about 13-15 years on earth to realise there is no god. not to offend the religious folks out there, but it just causes more problems than good.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

Well-Known Member
If you can't distinguish between religious fanaticism and religious fundamentalism, then how much have you really thought about the subject?
well who decides what fantaticism and fundemtalism is ? i believe those are words made up by the 'coalition ' to describe the beliefs of there enemies .
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

Well-Known Member
and ive thought alot about the subject , i was indoctrinated with religious beliefs from my school teachers from the age of 4 , the fear still lives with me today . i can remember being dragged out of line in school assembly for not closing my eyes during lords prayer .no one ever asked me if i wanted to say the lords prayer i was forced to.
I just think we put age limits on things like sex , alcohol , marrige , criminal responsibility , etc etc because we know a childs mind is very gullible , yet when it comes to religion we think its ok to force it upon children , just to suit our own adult beliefs .
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

Well-Known Member
Parents have the right to teach children about what they believe in, but not to force that belief or dogma on them. That is an nuanced line that is sure to be different with each situation. I do not think placing age restriction addresses the issue of defining that line, but instead offers a blanket solution that infringes on personal liberty. You are essentially saying as a parent one is forbidden from expressing themselves in any way that exposes children to religious beliefs. Rarely is exclusion and prohibition a successful policy. As a parent, don't you want your children to be curious and ask questions? Would you have them not even consider religion until a certain age? What happens when you tell a child a subject is taboo?..............................................................................



Religion should of course not be taught in public school. The reason is, as Americans we are all part of a club and we pay dues, some of which support schools. As members of the club we are subject to it's rule-book, the Constitution, which demands church and state stay separate. Religion can be taught in private schools, and parents have every right to choose a private school if they wish. Being a parent is all about teaching your kids your idea of the correct way to live.

When it comes to college I would like to see schools remove the taboo associated with questioning religious beliefs. In my critical thinking class we were told not to bring up religion for fear of offending someone. We were allowed to say "god bless you" or "I pray for you" or anything similar, but we were forbidden to discuss religion in a critical context. College is all about exploring knowledge and providing a free marketplace for ideas. When you are trying to figure out life and apply deep thoughts to subjects which are new to you, it's pretty much impossible to not hit upon offensive ideas once in a while.

so basically if our parents allso suffered from religious indoctrination its ok for them to pass it on to there children , cause parents have the right to teach there children what they want ?
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
is it ok for a kkk member to bring their children up believing the same as they do , or would we class that as child abuse ?
i hate to break it to you, but we all get fucked up by our parents. they saddle us with all their baggage and then you get to take revenge by placing them in some fleabag nursing home when they get old and grey. it's the circle of life, enjoy it while you can.

but seriously, by what right do you or anyone else get to decide whether any given ideology is abusive? should we outlaw passing down our racism, our patriotism, our tendency toward one end of the political spectrum or the other? the answer to your question is that, no, it isn't "ok" to pass down our hatred to our children, but we do have that right. it is a parent's responsibility to hand down a sense of morality to their children to the best of their ability. if that parent's own morality contains hatred and bigotry, it isn't up to the state or society to come in and disrupt the family in order to teach those children a more socially acceptable ethical code.
 

nog

Active Member
the godless society we live in these days is shit, all those little rioting arseholes know their rights but non of them know their responsibilities
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
well who decides what fantaticism and fundemtalism is ? i believe those are words made up by the 'coalition ' to describe the beliefs of there enemies .
Fanaticism is being excited, zealous and even obsessive about a subject. It can be applied to sports, devoted followers of celebrities, or even hobbies. Fundamentalism is a strict uncritical adherence to a literal interpretation of an ideology. It can be applied to politics or any set of principals. These terms are in no way unique to religion. As for who decides, that depends on the culture and the core assumptions made by the observer, so yes the terms are subjective, but still easily distinguishable.

and ive thought alot about the subject , i was indoctrinated with religious beliefs from my school teachers from the age of 4 , the fear still lives with me today . i can remember being dragged out of line in school assembly for not closing my eyes during lords prayer .no one ever asked me if i wanted to say the lords prayer i was forced to.
I wasn't suggesting you haven't thought about the subject. You show interest and motivation. I was suggesting that you haven't thought through the implications of your policy. If your point is that religion should be kept out of school, that is a point made by the constitution, so lets enforce that policy instead of making new ones. What you seem to be suggesting, and what age restricting addresses, is the idea that any exposure to religious beliefs constitutes child abuse. My parents exposed me to their religious beliefs and trusted me to make my own decision, which happened to be atheism, and I don't see this as child abuse at all. Your policy would have prevented them from placing that trust in me.


I just think we put age limits on things like sex , alcohol , marrige , criminal responsibility , etc etc because we know a childs mind is very gullible , yet when it comes to religion we think its ok to force it upon children , just to suit our own adult beliefs .
Who says it's okay to force religion on anyone? Wasn't freedom from religious prosecution a big motivation in forming this country? Forcing religious dogma, especially dogma that often entails guilt, hate and intolerance, onto a child seems especially cruel, but what does age restriction really do except make the subject taboo (in child speak taboo = interesting) and prevent people from expressing themselves. Any policy which requires sacrificing personal liberties is a poor policy and should be abandoned for better ideas. Sex has a natural age restriction indicated by a child's body not being sexually mature. Alcohol obviously carries a bigger physiological detriment on a developing body than an adult. These things are not ideological, they are practical.

I am not saying you haven't identified a problem. I am saying you are attaching bias to that problem, conflating the problem with normal religious ideas, and applying a lazy, unimaginative solution which does just as much harm in different ways.
 
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