Polyploidy questions..
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Grammaticusfunk
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from what i've read, polyploidy can be induced in an established plant by physical means (i.e. defoliation technique or possibly others, my knowledge is quite limited). It can certainly be induced to polyploidy by by chemical means using colchicine applied to the apical tip which is the main growth tip (i.e. the top of the plant). The preffered way, it seems, is to attempt to induce the seeds of the plant to polyploidy either by treating the mature seeds or the fertilized pistillate (female) flowers with colchicine. This method is preffered because the cultivator will not waste their time on plants that do not respond well to the treatment, the bad seeds simply won't grow and the good ones will. However, colchicine is toxic to humans and other animals, so the method of prolonged defoliation is safer to the cultivator. Please note that I have not had the opportunity to experiment with induced polyploidy personally, I'm only relaying information that I believe to be credible through amateur research. All that is certain is that induced polyploidy has had significant benefits in other plants, but generally causes the first generation to be sterile. Seedless watermelon is a perfect example of this. Happy growing, peace & love.
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chb444220
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wow.. thats interesting.. yeaa i wish i knew how i got a poly-ploid bud on my plant... ? =/
When she was about 2 weeks old.. i tried taking a clone.. and it didnt survive.. but the branch i took was one of the main side branches.. theres usually the main cola.. adn then 4 side branches.. well it was one of those.. and then.. all the sudden.. I notices one branch had wayyyyyyyy too many leaves on it.. and i started to examine it more closely.. adn it had double everything on it.. and then i was thinking/hoping that maybe once i put it into flowering... if it would produce DOUBLE buds as well...? honestly.. i did not think it would happen.. i just thought for some reason.. the plant pushed out a few to many leaves.... but sure enough.. about 2 weeks into flowering... you could see 2 separate buds growing in 1 bud site..
and now.. i am 7 weeks into flowering.. adn this thing is massive.. oo yea.. another thing too.. after about 3 weeks into flowering.... i noticed another branch had the same thing!! this branch isnt as pronounced as the other branch tho.. but you can still tell its not a normal branch...
Here are a few pics of the Poly-Ploid bud I have on my White Widow plant.. She is 7 weeks into flowerin.. and if you would like to see more pics adn older pics of it.. just click the link in my signature.. adn check out my journal...
Allllright. it may not be ther "prettiest" looking bud. lol. but lemme tell you.. this thing is MASSIVE!! and its solid! Its going to be a big chunk of my final weight/yield. I started flushing yesterday.. adn plan on harvesting in a little under 2 weeks (Week 9) sooooo if u would like to see the Poly-Ploid bud harvested and manicured and find out how much it was.. click on my signature and follow my journal.
I do updates with lots of pics every Tuesday and Friday mornings.
When she was about 2 weeks old.. i tried taking a clone.. and it didnt survive.. but the branch i took was one of the main side branches.. theres usually the main cola.. adn then 4 side branches.. well it was one of those.. and then.. all the sudden.. I notices one branch had wayyyyyyyy too many leaves on it.. and i started to examine it more closely.. adn it had double everything on it.. and then i was thinking/hoping that maybe once i put it into flowering... if it would produce DOUBLE buds as well...? honestly.. i did not think it would happen.. i just thought for some reason.. the plant pushed out a few to many leaves.... but sure enough.. about 2 weeks into flowering... you could see 2 separate buds growing in 1 bud site..
and now.. i am 7 weeks into flowering.. adn this thing is massive.. oo yea.. another thing too.. after about 3 weeks into flowering.... i noticed another branch had the same thing!! this branch isnt as pronounced as the other branch tho.. but you can still tell its not a normal branch...
Here are a few pics of the Poly-Ploid bud I have on my White Widow plant.. She is 7 weeks into flowerin.. and if you would like to see more pics adn older pics of it.. just click the link in my signature.. adn check out my journal...
Allllright. it may not be ther "prettiest" looking bud. lol. but lemme tell you.. this thing is MASSIVE!! and its solid! Its going to be a big chunk of my final weight/yield. I started flushing yesterday.. adn plan on harvesting in a little under 2 weeks (Week 9) sooooo if u would like to see the Poly-Ploid bud harvested and manicured and find out how much it was.. click on my signature and follow my journal.
I do updates with lots of pics every Tuesday and Friday mornings.
potgrower123
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Mutagen
In genetics, a mutagen (Latin, literally origin of change) is a physical or chemical agent that changes the genetic material, usually DNA, of an organism and thus increases the frequency of mutations above the natural background level. As many mutations cause cancer, mutagens are typically also carcinogens. Not all mutations are caused by mutagens: so-called "spontaneous mutations" occur due to errors in DNA replication, repair and recombination.
It is very possible to induce mutations in your plants
In genetics, a mutagen (Latin, literally origin of change) is a physical or chemical agent that changes the genetic material, usually DNA, of an organism and thus increases the frequency of mutations above the natural background level. As many mutations cause cancer, mutagens are typically also carcinogens. Not all mutations are caused by mutagens: so-called "spontaneous mutations" occur due to errors in DNA replication, repair and recombination.
It is very possible to induce mutations in your plants
Fruitbat
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Actually you can artificially induce polyploidy:
"Polyploidy can be induced in plants and cell cultures by some chemicals: the best known is colchicine, which can result in chromosome doubling...Polyploid plants tend to be larger and better at flourishing in early succession habitats such as farm fields. In the breeding of crops, the tallest and best thriving plants are selected for. Thus, many crops (and agricultural weeds) may have unintentionally been bred to a higher level of ploidy."
"Polyploidy can be induced in plants and cell cultures by some chemicals: the best known is colchicine, which can result in chromosome doubling...Polyploid plants tend to be larger and better at flourishing in early succession habitats such as farm fields. In the breeding of crops, the tallest and best thriving plants are selected for. Thus, many crops (and agricultural weeds) may have unintentionally been bred to a higher level of ploidy."
newworldicon
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I had no idea they also had the pound in the Netherlands LOL. Either way what's your theory on having plenty lights in a high rise, just trying to understand what you mean by that?
newworldicon
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Can I ask what LED that is in your avatar pic plz?
Kannabiskyle
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This is a real polyploid branch, its on my plant and as you can see it does greatly increase yeild by what looks like like 300% or more than normal for a branch.
chb444220
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oooooo yeaaaa my friend. that is DEFF a tri/poly ploid branch! hahahaha. i have gotta a few of them! the yield does increase greatly!!! but its a BITCH to trim!!! i hated it! lol. but its well worth it
I bought an oz once that had some polyploid seeds in it. You can look at the seed and tell it is a polyploid. instead of having one seam all the way around the seed it will have 3 seams 1/2 way around the seed cutting it into 1/3rds. I also got one that had 2 full seems cutting the seed into 4 sections but it was a dented seed and didnt grow. I did get one tricot to grow, but it was male so I bred it with another seed from the bag thad was regular. so far the 4 seeds i got from it are regular though.
castklearr
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Polyploiding has to do with adding to the nuclear structure soaking seeds in colchicine. The Herman Menke book on The U S Govt Army study of Marijuana. in 1954 talks about using colchicine to grow super pot. This chemical is found in red soils. It supposedly triples the potency. The seeds are hard to germinate and colchicine the chemical is dangerous as your not supposed to smoke the first generation. This book was popular in the 1960's before it was determined by the Mexican growers to go seedless or sensemilla!...
My resume includes hash oil from Afghanistan in 1973 Loads of Mexican and Columbian Gold 200lbs @time from Tucson AZ. in the late 1970's. 1998 oil and hash and Thai weed to Amsterdam from Thailand and Peshawar, Pakistan....Growing indoor since 1994. Almost 70....lungs pink a the day I was born had camera down them recently....so that garbage about lung blackening from HEAVY POT USE....is a lie! For me Marijuana is a catlyst like peyote, mushrooms....time slows down from the brain speeding up and the mind takes you places the government doesn't want you!
My resume includes hash oil from Afghanistan in 1973 Loads of Mexican and Columbian Gold 200lbs @time from Tucson AZ. in the late 1970's. 1998 oil and hash and Thai weed to Amsterdam from Thailand and Peshawar, Pakistan....Growing indoor since 1994. Almost 70....lungs pink a the day I was born had camera down them recently....so that garbage about lung blackening from HEAVY POT USE....is a lie! For me Marijuana is a catlyst like peyote, mushrooms....time slows down from the brain speeding up and the mind takes you places the government doesn't want you!