20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

drgreentm

Well-Known Member
i don't mean in anyway to drag out a negative conversation but just thought i would throw in my personal experience in the matter. i bought all six of my light kits from the hydro store and saw some light kits on ebay for like half the price with a digi ballast, so i bought a kit and i can say this thing is garbage plain and simple, the digi ballast runs hotter than my mag ballast i am literally in fear of my house burning down from this thing lol, its funny actually. anyway since buying so much from the hydro store they have given me a constant 10% off any purchase and 20% off any purchase over 1000 so im happy. also i have searched ebay quite often and anything name brand i have usually been able to get cheaper from my locals (and i do mean "NAME BRAND" not self igniting ballasts) so all in all im not happy with the measly amount of money i have saved.

like you said CG people who tinker in auto buy from harbor freight and people who do it for a living buy snap on (well put by the way).
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
Lower Buds.jpgBefore prune.jpgClose Up.jpgBudded Plant.jpgAfter Prune.jpg

I figured it was time to take some before and after shots of my insane atomic pruning. I hate that we can't use the "basic uploader" here anymore. Then I could have captioned the pics.

Anyways, you'll see 2 pics of a vegging plant. The first is before pruning, the second after. The 3 pics of a budding plant show the results of my pruning style. I took the closeups to show the bud quality way low on the plant. The blooming plant is at 6 weeks.

If you're shocked, I fully understand. When my buddy Commercial J told me he had perfected pruning the Pre 98 Bubba, I went to his grow op to have a look. The plants were 7 weeks into bloom and looked fantastic. This was at his "small" home grow and he was yielding 6lbs of Bubba under 4 lights in an 8x8 tray. Once these plants were finished and weighed, he used the technique on his commercial warehouse op.

I wanted to try this on my grow. At the time I had a 12 light live soil organic op going. He explained to me what to do, but it sounded too radical. I asked him to come to my grow and show me on a couple plants. When my plants were about 2.5 weeks into bloom, he showed up with his own shears. He told me to trust him. He then proceeded to destroy 2 of my plants...or so I thought. I truly though he was playiung some kind of sick joke. What fucking idiot would remove THAT MUCH healthy foilage from a plant. He assured me it was exactly what he did to his. Even then, I didn't trust him enough to hack up the other 97 plants.

When I harvested, I weighed kept 10 un-pruned plants seperate to compare weight with the pruned plants. I made sure the plants I selected were of average size or a little bigger. When I trim I have 2 piles of buds: One pile is the AAA grade buds, and one is the smaller buds for personal stash, gifts, paying trimmers, keif, and edibles. The untrimmed plants averaged just under 2 ozs total...with 1.5 ozs of AAA and .5 ozs of low grade. The pruned plants averaged just OVER 2 ozs...every bit AAA grade. They were also way easier to trim and looked healthier. I wished I had let him go balistic on the whole crop. I would have had 3 more lbs of AAA weed.

Even after the proof, I had a hard time pruning enough leaves off the future crops. I would prune, and have Commercial J come over for a look. He would always say the same thing: "Take more"! Sure as shit, I would end up with an Lb of low grade. Everytime I would prune I was thinking "it's too much"...and everytime I would trim I would think "It wasn't enough. Several crops later, I finally developed the confidence to undertake the atomic prune.

One time, as if to prove that taking too much could be horrible, I over-pruned like a mother-fucker on one plant. I hacked that poor thing to shit. All I left were the bud sites, and the leaves that would one day be part of the buds. There was like nothing left. Well, it did affect the yield, but not that much. At that time I was growing smaller plants (and a buttload of them), that were averaging 1.25 ozs each. The over pruned plant came in at just over an ounce. But, when I though about it, that would have produced the same amount of AAA buds as an un-pruned plant. Since that little test, I haven't been afraid to go psycho-killer on the plants.

Here's the fine print. This technique works for me in my op with my pheno of Pre-98 Bubba. I would not want anyone to just hack down a whole crop based on my results. I know most of you have way too much growing savy to do that. When I'm growing the very low yielding and leggy OG's, I only remove a couple fan inside leaves. Sativa heavy strains hardly ever need any pruning. Which may be where the idea of "pruning is bad" came from. Those plants are sparce enough growing natural. In general, the bushier the plant, the better it seems to respond to pruning. You can also tell at trimming time. If you're ending up with a big ass pile of larf, some pruning may get the light down deep enough to turn that larf into high grade buds.

If I were to just remove a few leaves, I would remove the interior fan leaves in the upper third of the plant. The next level would be some lolipopping. The next would be large exterior fan leaves shading neighbor plants and preventing me from getting the plants close enough together. And then there's the atomic prune, as seen in the pic.

Goos luck to all of you in your growing endeavors. Send some positive energy to Hellraizer, who's having some stressful trouble in the grow room. We're thinking of you HR, and are all here to help if we can.
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
i don't mean in anyway to drag out a negative conversation but just thought i would throw in my personal experience in the matter. i bought all six of my light kits from the hydro store and saw some light kits on ebay for like half the price with a digi ballast, so i bought a kit and i can say this thing is garbage plain and simple, the digi ballast runs hotter than my mag ballast i am literally in fear of my house burning down from this thing lol, its funny actually. anyway since buying so much from the hydro store they have given me a constant 10% off any purchase and 20% off any purchase over 1000 so im happy. also i have searched ebay quite often and anything name brand i have usually been able to get cheaper from my locals (and i do mean "NAME BRAND" not self igniting ballasts) so all in all im not happy with the measly amount of money i have saved.

like you said CG people who tinker in auto buy from harbor freight and people who do it for a living buy snap on (well put by the way).
lol i really dont beleave you about the digi running hotter then the much heavier noiesier magnetic.... some of those guys on ebay have warehouses full of shit and sell there shit to growshops.....
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
View attachment 1759343View attachment 1759342View attachment 1759340View attachment 1759339View attachment 1759336

I figured it was time to take some before and after shots of my insane atomic pruning. I hate that we can't use the "basic uploader" here anymore. Then I could have captioned the pics.

Anyways, you'll see 2 pics of a vegging plant. The first is before pruning, the second after. The 3 pics of a budding plant show the results of my pruning style. I took the closeups to show the bud quality way low on the plant. The blooming plant is at 6 weeks.

If you're shocked, I fully understand. When my buddy Commercial J told me he had perfected pruning the Pre 98 Bubba, I went to his grow op to have a look. The plants were 7 weeks into bloom and looked fantastic. This was at his "small" home grow and he was yielding 6lbs of Bubba under 4 lights in an 8x8 tray. Once these plants were finished and weighed, he used the technique on his commercial warehouse op.

I wanted to try this on my grow. At the time I had a 12 light live soil organic op going. He explained to me what to do, but it sounded too radical. I asked him to come to my grow and show me on a couple plants. When my plants were about 2.5 weeks into bloom, he showed up with his own shears. He told me to trust him. He then proceeded to destroy 2 of my plants...or so I thought. I truly though he was playiung some kind of sick joke. What fucking idiot would remove THAT MUCH healthy foilage from a plant. He assured me it was exactly what he did to his. Even then, I didn't trust him enough to hack up the other 97 plants.

When I harvested, I weighed kept 10 un-pruned plants seperate to compare weight with the pruned plants. I made sure the plants I selected were of average size or a little bigger. When I trim I have 2 piles of buds: One pile is the AAA grade buds, and one is the smaller buds for personal stash, gifts, paying trimmers, keif, and edibles. The untrimmed plants averaged just under 2 ozs total...with 1.5 ozs of AAA and .5 ozs of low grade. The pruned plants averaged just OVER 2 ozs...every bit AAA grade. They were also way easier to trim and looked healthier. I wished I had let him go balistic on the whole crop. I would have had 3 more lbs of AAA weed.

Even after the proof, I had a hard time pruning enough leaves off the future crops. I would prune, and have Commercial J come over for a look. He would always say the same thing: "Take more"! Sure as shit, I would end up with an Lb of low grade. Everytime I would prune I was thinking "it's too much"...and everytime I would trim I would think "It wasn't enough. Several crops later, I finally developed the confidence to undertake the atomic prune.

One time, as if to prove that taking too much could be horrible, I over-pruned like a mother-fucker on one plant. I hacked that poor thing to shit. All I left were the bud sites, and the leaves that would one day be part of the buds. There was like nothing left. Well, it did affect the yield, but not that much. At that time I was growing smaller plants (and a buttload of them), that were averaging 1.25 ozs each. The over pruned plant came in at just over an ounce. But, when I though about it, that would have produced the same amount of AAA buds as an un-pruned plant. Since that little test, I haven't been afraid to go psycho-killer on the plants.

Here's the fine print. This technique works for me in my op with my pheno of Pre-98 Bubba. I would not want anyone to just hack down a whole crop based on my results. I know most of you have way too much growing savy to do that. When I'm growing the very low yielding and leggy OG's, I only remove a couple fan inside leaves. Sativa heavy strains hardly ever need any pruning. Which may be where the idea of "pruning is bad" came from. Those plants are sparce enough growing natural. In general, the bushier the plant, the better it seems to respond to pruning. You can also tell at trimming time. If you're ending up with a big ass pile of larf, some pruning may get the light down deep enough to turn that larf into high grade buds.

If I were to just remove a few leaves, I would remove the interior fan leaves in the upper third of the plant. The next level would be some lolipopping. The next would be large exterior fan leaves shading neighbor plants and preventing me from getting the plants close enough together. And then there's the atomic prune, as seen in the pic.

Goos luck to all of you in your growing endeavors. Send some positive energy to Hellraizer, who's having some stressful trouble in the grow room. We're thinking of you HR, and are all here to help if we can.
thanks CG I could use some positive right now :)
 

C.Indica

Well-Known Member
whats wrong with this light???? the hydro store would charge an extra 100 or more easy for this light, http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-WATT-HPS-DIGITAL-GROW-LIGHT-AIR-COOLED-HOOD-1000w-/300582800955?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fc218e3b
Dude how many times does it have to be said?
Drop the fucking subject.
Who made that bulb?
What about the ballast? And the reflector?
Who even sells that shit?

Bottom line is you don't know.
And after all the connections CG makes, he saves more money and time wasted than you ever will with your shipping time and paperwork.




CG I loved that pruning post, it really gave me some ideas for the veggie garden.
As well as future grows.

If you look in the lower right corner of the picture, it has the caption in it.
Whatever you name the file on your computer, will show up when uploaded.

So you actually have been captioning them the whole time, and I've been reading them the whole time.
Hope that lowers your stress a degree or two.

CG, what's the most Sativa heavy strain you've ever run, and how much fun was it?
Oh and by the way, Congadulations on your spelling.
:leaf:
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
whats wrong with this light???? the hydro store would charge an extra 100 or more easy for this light, http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-WATT-HPS-DIGITAL-GROW-LIGHT-AIR-COOLED-HOOD-1000w-/300582800955?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fc218e3b
No, the hydro store wouldn't. Because no hydro store would carry this POS. Check out the warranty on this bad boy:

Returns

Exchanges are offered for items that are defective or damaged when received, although this is highly unlikely. After exchanges are made and have not resolved the issue, we will refund the cost of the merchandise.
Defective items or problems with your order must be reported within 3 days after receiving. Please keep all packaging, documentation, packing list, etc. that came with your order. These will be used to verify claims if there is any problem with you.
Restocking fee will be charged for returned items without original package or any quality problem. Please contact us for details before returning your package to avoid misunderstanding.
IMPORTANT: Customer's item must be returned to our facility with the ROF (Return Order Form) at the buyers’ shipping expense.
I read that as a 3 day warranty.

Here's the Hydrofarm Phantom Ballast Warranty:
Specifications

Weight: 13.9 lbs. Package Dimensions: 14.5L x 9.8W x 3.8HMax. Wattage:1000Voltage:240Convertible:YesMax. Amperage:9.2Warranty:5 Year
Related Items

5 year warranty! That's right, baby. I'm in this for the long haul.


So, what is wrong with the Ebay ballast? The 3 day warranty for start. Also note that you will be picking up the shipping charges should you have to return it.


Ok. I think we've beat this horse to death. I think what we've learned is that cheap stuff is avaiable online. Personally, I'd like to get back to the growing. I will not be commenting anymore on this topic.
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
Dude how many times does it have to be said?
Drop the fucking subject.
Who made that bulb?
What about the ballast? And the reflector?
Who even sells that shit?

Bottom line is you don't know.
And after all the connections CG makes, he saves more money and time wasted than you ever will with your shipping time and paperwork.




CG I loved that pruning post, it really gave me some ideas for the veggie garden.
As well as future grows.

If you look in the lower right corner of the picture, it has the caption in it.
Whatever you name the file on your computer, will show up when uploaded.

So you actually have been captioning them the whole time, and I've been reading them the whole time.
Hope that lowers your stress a degree or two.

CG, what's the most Sativa heavy strain you've ever run, and how much fun was it?
Oh and by the way, Congadulations on your spelling.
:leaf:
Thanks for the heads up on the captions. I'll name the pics with more detail in the future. I still miss the easy uploader function. It made it easy to get the pics right where you wanted them.

I have a 16 week un-named sativa. It was a strain Commercial J came across a few years back. If you bloom it at 6", it ends up about 5 feet tall 4 months later. I keep it alive and going in my "Strain Bank"...a tray in the veg room that I keep my favorite few strains going. I just take a couple clones about every 5 weeks and replace the mothers with those when they've rooted. They never get bigger than a foot tall and are kept alive under a small T-5.

This sativa is crazy good. Had Steep Hill Labs test it and it came in at 21%THC. I grow a plant out once or twice a year for personal stash and gifts. Given that it takes 16 weeks to finish I tend to think it's 100% sativa. The last month I'll put it in the dark drying shack for 24 hrs at a time every few days to help it ripen. It's a real bitch to grow. But if you like the speedy sativa high, it's the one. The next time I bloom one I'm going to Bushmaster the living fuck out of the thing...see if I can't keep it under 4 feet.

Sorry about the spelling. When I get worked up I start typing too fast. I try not to let a silly post get to me, but it happens. This thread has been so positive for so long. I'm serious when I say there has only been three negative posters. One guy made some comment about California being a fucked place, and I forgot the other. If you look at most threads this size, there's dozens of really nasty posts. Somehow this group has just been great. We've not added any fuel to the fire of the negative posters. I hope we can all keep it that way.

On that note, thanks to all of you for making this thread a haven for positive energy. And thank you for taking the high road when things get wierd. We're all here to learn from eachother and get (and give) support. You're a great group of humans and I hope to treat all of you to a beer and a blunt one day.
 

C.Indica

Well-Known Member
This is a long quote, so I'm just going to reply paragraph at a time.
Thanks for the heads up on the captions. I'll name the pics with more detail in the future. I still miss the easy uploader function. It made it easy to get the pics right where you wanted them.
No problem, I see a lot of funny fucking names on peoples pictures. I hate the scattered pictures too, I have two ways of getting around it;
Either I upload first, and then type the whole post out,
Or I type my post up, Copy+Cut it, upload the photos, and re-paste it.

I have a 16 week un-named sativa. It was a strain Commercial J came across a few years back. If you bloom it at 6", it ends up about 5 feet tall 4 months later. I keep it alive and going in my "Strain Bank"...a tray in the veg room that I keep my favorite few strains going. I just take a couple clones about every 5 weeks and replace the mothers with those when they've rooted. They never get bigger than a foot tall and are kept alive under a small T-5.
Well then the real question is, what would you name it based on what you've observed? That's amazing. Would blooming a 2" clone wind up almost the same height? Or would there be a good difference? I like the replacement idea, keeps them vigorous too right?
How many strains do you have in there?

This sativa is crazy good. Had Steep Hill Labs test it and it came in at 21%THC. I grow a plant out once or twice a year for personal stash and gifts. Given that it takes 16 weeks to finish I tend to think it's 100% sativa. The last month I'll put it in the dark drying shack for 24 hrs at a time every few days to help it ripen. It's a real bitch to grow. But if you like the speedy sativa high, it's the one. The next time I bloom one I'm going to Bushmaster the living fuck out of the thing...see if I can't keep it under 4 feet.
I've only heard of FullSpectrumLabs until today, note to self. Is it 21% Total, or 21% THC?
Only one plant? Where do you grow it under? I KNOW it doesn't fit with any of your standard trays.
Do you have a precision schedual on the time-outs, or do you just let it be random cloudy days?
Why don't you just Scrog it? If you kept adding layers of screens, I bet you could keep it under 3'.
And on the drying shack time-outs, would it be better to just move it from the HID to like a 13w CFL on reduced hours, to represent short cloudy days?

Sorry about the spelling. When I get worked up I start typing too fast. I try not to let a silly post get to me, but it happens. This thread has been so positive for so long. I'm serious when I say there has only been three negative posters. One guy made some comment about California being a fucked place, and I forgot the other. If you look at most threads this size, there's dozens of really nasty posts. Somehow this group has just been great. We've not added any fuel to the fire of the negative posters. I hope we can all keep it that way.
Bah don't worry about the spelling, I was just busting your bawls. I'm the same way, and I do the same thing. It keeps typing exciting. Hahaha.
I dig the vibes in this thread, it's a whole different forum to me. And I like your 'will-learn' attitude. Something most experienced growers don't have.

On that note, thanks to all of you for making this thread a haven for positive energy. And thank you for taking the high road when things get wierd. We're all here to learn from eachother and get (and give) support. You're a great group of humans and I hope to treat all of you to a beer and a blunt one day.
Thanks for the thread, and for maintaining that peace. I wouldn't mind meeting you over a shitty cup of coffee and no blunt, you just seem like a good person.
But a blunt would be nice too.
And a nice 11oz Session.
:leaf:
 

davidgrimm

Active Member
CG

When you get a moment would you please post a link to the bulbs you used to use in bloom (before you got the digital ballasts). I replaced all my bulbs a few months ago with cheap ones from the internet (they are supposed to have 140,000 lumens) but I am not happy with them.

Thanks so much!
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
lol you guys are way too much.... yeah your bud wont grow has dank unless its a lumitek ballast... hahahahahahahahahahahaha.... digital ballast arent built to last forever anyway like the mag. ballast are... both have drawbacks.. and for the price the growshop wants you should not only get that kind of warrenty every light should come with a free blowjob too...
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
lol you guys are way too much.... yeah your bud wont grow has dank unless its a lumitek ballast... hahahahahahahahahahahaha.... digital ballast arent built to last forever anyway like the mag. ballast are... both have drawbacks.. and for the price the growshop wants you should not only get that kind of warrenty every light should come with a free blowjob too...

Are you done?
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
CG

When you get a moment would you please post a link to the bulbs you used to use in bloom (before you got the digital ballasts). I replaced all my bulbs a few months ago with cheap ones from the internet (they are supposed to have 140,000 lumens) but I am not happy with them.

Thanks so much!

I used the Hortilux Eye for a dozen years. They now have a new model comnpatable with digital ballasts: http://www.eyehortilux.com/

I currently use a Digilux:

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=digilux+hps+bulb&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7TSNA_enUS391US392&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=9299753166354749664&sa=X&ei=QKtbToSvCczUiAL1vuSbCQ&ved=0CFMQ8wIwAQ#

Here's a You Tube vid comparing the 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_lEgacnH4

I hope this is what you were looking for.
 

drgreentm

Well-Known Member
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I figured it was time to take some before and after shots of my insane atomic pruning. I hate that we can't use the "basic uploader" here anymore. Then I could have captioned the pics.

Anyways, you'll see 2 pics of a vegging plant. The first is before pruning, the second after. The 3 pics of a budding plant show the results of my pruning style. I took the closeups to show the bud quality way low on the plant. The blooming plant is at 6 weeks.

If you're shocked, I fully understand. When my buddy Commercial J told me he had perfected pruning the Pre 98 Bubba, I went to his grow op to have a look. The plants were 7 weeks into bloom and looked fantastic. This was at his "small" home grow and he was yielding 6lbs of Bubba under 4 lights in an 8x8 tray. Once these plants were finished and weighed, he used the technique on his commercial warehouse op.

I wanted to try this on my grow. At the time I had a 12 light live soil organic op going. He explained to me what to do, but it sounded too radical. I asked him to come to my grow and show me on a couple plants. When my plants were about 2.5 weeks into bloom, he showed up with his own shears. He told me to trust him. He then proceeded to destroy 2 of my plants...or so I thought. I truly though he was playiung some kind of sick joke. What fucking idiot would remove THAT MUCH healthy foilage from a plant. He assured me it was exactly what he did to his. Even then, I didn't trust him enough to hack up the other 97 plants.

When I harvested, I weighed kept 10 un-pruned plants seperate to compare weight with the pruned plants. I made sure the plants I selected were of average size or a little bigger. When I trim I have 2 piles of buds: One pile is the AAA grade buds, and one is the smaller buds for personal stash, gifts, paying trimmers, keif, and edibles. The untrimmed plants averaged just under 2 ozs total...with 1.5 ozs of AAA and .5 ozs of low grade. The pruned plants averaged just OVER 2 ozs...every bit AAA grade. They were also way easier to trim and looked healthier. I wished I had let him go balistic on the whole crop. I would have had 3 more lbs of AAA weed.

Even after the proof, I had a hard time pruning enough leaves off the future crops. I would prune, and have Commercial J come over for a look. He would always say the same thing: "Take more"! Sure as shit, I would end up with an Lb of low grade. Everytime I would prune I was thinking "it's too much"...and everytime I would trim I would think "It wasn't enough. Several crops later, I finally developed the confidence to undertake the atomic prune.

One time, as if to prove that taking too much could be horrible, I over-pruned like a mother-fucker on one plant. I hacked that poor thing to shit. All I left were the bud sites, and the leaves that would one day be part of the buds. There was like nothing left. Well, it did affect the yield, but not that much. At that time I was growing smaller plants (and a buttload of them), that were averaging 1.25 ozs each. The over pruned plant came in at just over an ounce. But, when I though about it, that would have produced the same amount of AAA buds as an un-pruned plant. Since that little test, I haven't been afraid to go psycho-killer on the plants.

Here's the fine print. This technique works for me in my op with my pheno of Pre-98 Bubba. I would not want anyone to just hack down a whole crop based on my results. I know most of you have way too much growing savy to do that. When I'm growing the very low yielding and leggy OG's, I only remove a couple fan inside leaves. Sativa heavy strains hardly ever need any pruning. Which may be where the idea of "pruning is bad" came from. Those plants are sparce enough growing natural. In general, the bushier the plant, the better it seems to respond to pruning. You can also tell at trimming time. If you're ending up with a big ass pile of larf, some pruning may get the light down deep enough to turn that larf into high grade buds.

If I were to just remove a few leaves, I would remove the interior fan leaves in the upper third of the plant. The next level would be some lolipopping. The next would be large exterior fan leaves shading neighbor plants and preventing me from getting the plants close enough together. And then there's the atomic prune, as seen in the pic.

Goos luck to all of you in your growing endeavors. Send some positive energy to Hellraizer, who's having some stressful trouble in the grow room. We're thinking of you HR, and are all here to help if we can.
great post CG, that sure is a atomic prune! i really want to try this on a couple of my bubba's do you think it is to late to do a few? they are about 4.5 weeks in flower now. is there any certain time you do the pruning? also do you do it in passes or just all at once? my bubbas look almost identical, mine are a bit shorter and fatter do to the super cropping im sure but those look great! i take every bit of foliage from the centers but the outside leaves get pretty large and do shade neighboring plants, this seems like a good solution. if i could fit 4 in a 3x3 area with a 600 over each 4 (or 3x3 area) without having to sacrifice veg time that would be great and thank you for any insight on your technique.
 

TheLastWood

Well-Known Member
Gardener was explaining how the bulb brand related to his yield, not to the quality of his buds.

In ur avy is that a cig your smoking or a joint?
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
those of us who've been enjoying a "cost + small percentage" -type discount on our gear for years, tend to sort of scoff at the notions of both a) having our gear pass through potential hundreds of anonymous hands before arriving, without precaution, at our grow and/or safe address; and b) using our purchasing power to benefit folks we've never met over the people we've built personal and working relationships with over the years.
don't hold it against us, we are only human after all.

although -- i would be curious to know what the going online rate on shipping and handling for a plug-and-play 5t a/c unit would be. just for shits and giggles. ;)

.... not to mention, cg, how's that lawyer of yours working out for you? can you send me a link to his ebay ad? .... [/tongueincheek]

also, could you please get out of my head, you magnificent bastard? tha~nx. :lol:
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
those of us who've been enjoying a "cost + small percentage" -type discount on our gear for years, tend to sort of scoff at the notions of both a) having our gear pass through potential hundreds of anonymous hands before arriving, without precaution, at our grow and/or safe address; and b) using our purchasing power to benefit folks we've never met over the people we've built personal and working relationships with over the years.
don't hold it against us, we are only human after all.

although -- i would be curious to know what the going online rate on shipping and handling for a plug-and-play 5t a/c unit would be. just for shits and giggles. ;)

.... not to mention, cg, how's that lawyer of yours working out for you? can you send me a link to his ebay ad? .... [/tongueincheek]

also, could you please get out of my head, you magnificent bastard? tha~nx. :lol:
lol i dont know why everybody is getting cute with me...... the fact still remains the equipment could be had for way less..... that 5 ton unit goes for 1,495 with shipping of 185 bux.... brand fucking new.......
 
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