How many lumens does the sun emit?

HUSTLERBOY20

HUSTLERBOY20

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damn...the best light has always been the sun or is it...ill invent a light bulb that gives off the same lumens as the sun
 
TommyHobby

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HUSTLERBOY20 said:
a 600w hallide bulbs gives off 50k lumens so why is the sun so weak
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stop getting stoned and typing in the forums. The question is F'd up. If you want to know how many Lumens the sun puts out at the ground then 5000 is about right (per square foot). If you want to know how much it is at the sun itself, count all those zero's or put on some SPF 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 sun tan lotion and have a crack at it yourself. GL !
 
riddleme

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HUSTLERBOY20 said:
damn...the best light has always been the sun or is it...ill invent a light bulb that gives off the same lumens as the sun
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that light already exists it's called CMH Ceramic Metal Halide, what I use

and if ya check my Balls to the wall link you'll see the sun meassured with a light meter under different conditions
 
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twistedwords

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Google turned this up on a science site.

380000000000000000000000000 Watt

The 1 Watt LS is ~18 lumens per watt, so 6840000000000000000000000000 lumens....
If you can put something equivalent in a portable flashlight, I'll give you a dollar.
Of course, the battery runtimes would be horrible.
 
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twistedwords

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yes ceramic metal halide, WTF aren't growers using them? I swear if high times doesn't preach to them they wont try it. amazing.
 
Vansterdam

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So which scenario wins, 7 days of grey cold cloudy weather with high humidity or 7 days in a tent under 600W HPS and controlled climate?

My plants are about 3 weeks from finishing and the weather has turned cold and grey. I'm not planning on bringing them in as there is a good amount of sun in the extended forecast, but if I could be convinced...I would consider bringing in a couple if the weather turns grey after next week (which is high probability in Vancouver). I'm more curious to understand the power of the sun in Spring and Fall when there are plenty of grey days...
 
jawbrodt

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I got about 3,800 LSF, mid-july, noon, here in the Eastern US. I'm getting around 8,500 LSF,(at approx. 14-16") near my upper colas, under a 600 HPS. Too bad that HIDs can't hold their penetration like the sun, huh? Man, that would be awesome.
 
brettmccft0

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Actually, on a sunny day in california the sun is emitting more like 75,000 lumens per sq ft. LOL, a hps lamp emits like 150,000 at like 2 feet, and you think california grows monster outdoor plants on only 5000 per sq ft?
jfour said:
Boring? Skip to the bold.

California gets 5,ooo Lumens at noon on a sunny day per square foot. Thats not really the answer to your question, how many lumens does the sun put out, but I believe that is the answer your looking for.

EDIT: However, one must not forget to consider the rising and setting of the sun!
LoL
What I mean by this is, the moment before dawn breaks the plant is receiving 0 lumens from the sun, the next moment it is ofcourse not recieving the full 5k Lumen count, but it is a gradual increase.
However, it is not a split down the middle at 2.5k Lumens either. Certain astroohysical requirements for the bending of light, creating a bowing effect on the light curve.

A more appropriate estimate of the AVERAGE Lumens received in california through out a bright, sunny day is 2,630 Lumens per sqaure foot.
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Prefontaine

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jackinthebox said:
Does anyone know the answer to this?
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it doesnt matter how many lumens the sun emits because as light travels it becomes less intense, because it excites the particles it passes through and losses this energy through heat chemical reactions etc...

if you take your 1000 w light and measure lumens at 2" 6" and 2' you will get very different readings
 
Prefontaine

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In other words it kinda depends on whether your at sea level, in the mountains, have smog, clear sky, etc..........
 
Mrfootball420

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i have read 6k is whats available to the plants on a sunny day, i will try to find where i read it. is not the lumens though, you can easily duplicate that. its the broad spectrum that makes the sun so much more efficient, the lumens are just how bright the light is, not the quality of light.
 
legallyflying

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Only a newb focuses on lumens..unless your trying to decide what lights to install when remodeling your fucking kitchen.

Light is nothing more than electromagnetic radiation. The "light" we see radiating from the sun, or your grow bulbs is but a narrow sliver of the total amount of radiation being emitted. Humans needed a unit to measure the light we can see and thus the lumen was born.

Last time I checked, and correct me if I am wrong, I didn't see any eyeballs on my plants. Thus buying light bulbs based soley on lumens is as meaningless as debating which dog whistle would sound best to humans. It's about PAR, as that is the frequency of electromagnetic radiation plants "see", or more specifically, they can utilize to produce glucose from co2 and water.

Halogen bulbs produce a shit load of lumens but you don't see anyone growing plants with them.

The future is led's that can produce the appropriate frequencies of PAR for optimal growth. And you can bet that the newbs will come our in droves asking " how many lumens does that LED put out"
 
Bwpz

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moodster said:
i think its quite a bit its pretty hot and stuff
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Nice answer haha

legallyflying said:
Only a newb focuses on lumens..unless your trying to decide what lights to install when remodeling your fucking kitchen.

Light is nothing more than electromagnetic radiation. The "light" we see radiating from the sun, or your grow bulbs is but a narrow sliver of the total amount of radiation being emitted. Humans needed a unit to measure the light we can see and thus the lumen was born.

Last time I checked, and correct me if I am wrong, I didn't see any eyeballs on my plants. Thus buying light bulbs based soley on lumens is as meaningless as debating which dog whistle would sound best to humans. It's about PAR, as that is the frequency of electromagnetic radiation plants "see", or more specifically, they can utilize to produce glucose from co2 and water.

Halogen bulbs produce a shit load of lumens but you don't see anyone growing plants with them.

The future is led's that can produce the appropriate frequencies of PAR for optimal growth. And you can bet that the newbs will come our in droves asking " how many lumens does that LED put out"
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I disagree. You don't see huge med grow ops rushin for LED's. It's a combination of lumens and spectrum. If it was only spectrum, I'm sure LED's would be great, but they don't have the lumens to back it up. They may not have eyeballs, but they sure have a means for photosynthesis.
 
Mrfootball420

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Bwpz said:
Nice answer haha



I disagree. You don't see huge med grow ops rushin for LED's. It's a combination of lumens and spectrum. If it was only spectrum, I'm sure LED's would be great, but they don't have the lumens to back it up. They may not have eyeballs, but they sure have a means for photosynthesis.
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agreed, how about that million dollar led grow? rotfl, oh yeah, that has never happened. lol....
 
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