What's Will All The Religion Hatred?

[Hepheastus420]

How about when religious folks call the 'non-believers' immoral heathens, or the like? Which is just as frequent a tactic as religious nutjobs wackos looneys weirdo psycho (wow I could go on with the synonyms of crazy xD) etc. etc. =)

Well I never said either side is right, I'm sorry for not stating the atheists POV. So what I'm getting at is it's ok to make fun of religion or science (not a good thing just acceptable) but it is not ok to make fun of the believer whether the person believes in a god(s) or science or anything else.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Well I never said either side is right, I'm sorry for not stating the atheists POV. So what I'm getting at is it's ok to make fun of religion or science (not a good thing just acceptable) but it is not ok to make fun of the believer whether the person believes in a god(s) or science or anything else.

Yes. Absolutely. The beauty (or repugnance depending on how you look at it) of the Freedom of Speech. I personally see it as beautiful that all sides can be examined.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Yes. Absolutely. The beauty (or repugnance depending on how you look at it) of the Freedom of Speech. I personally see it as beautiful that all sides can be examined.

+ rep for you because our convo is a example of how religious people and atheists can still agree and put aside their beliefs to just get along and avoid arguing.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

+ rep for you because our convo is a example of how religious people and atheists can still agree and put aside their beliefs to just get along and avoid arguing.

I'm not an atheist.

 

[Hepheastus420]

I'm not an atheist.

Hmm oops sorry, ha. Either way I still stick next to the rep because we had a peaceful convo that did not lead to arguing which is what has been happening lately when it comes to religion. May I ask what you believe in?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Hmm oops sorry, ha. Either way I still stick next to the rep because we had a peaceful convo that did not lead to arguing which is what has been happening lately when it comes to religion. May I ask what you believe in?

It's rather easy when it's a person from one said with a person who doesn't care either way.
I don't.

 

[beardo]

I would appreciate a well thought out response from you beardo about this post if you don't mind.



How do you know it's God and not your imagination or a voice inside your head speaking to you? Your subconscious mind framing conscious thoughts? And if you don't know for sure it's God, how can you possibly attempt to manifest these thoughts and make them become reality? I'm not trying to sound harsh, but that is the behavior of a mentally unstable person.



A contradicting effort it would seem.



That is INSANE beardo. You don't fuckin' eat people because you believe God exists?



So apparently those with power don't prey on those weaker than them in our world, because God exists.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1- These are all very real and all proof of the existance of God, my subconsious and the voices in my head are all God and the work of God, the very existance of thoughts is the work of the very God you seek to deny and any voice I hear is the voice of God or the voice of those who work against him.
2-God has the right to bully and if we are following his commandments for the good of man kind then enforcing the 10 commandments is the right thing to do. If we do not enforce the law of God then we are stuck with the laws of man and man is sinful.
3-Why are you so quick to judge and what is sane or insane and by whos standard? Without a sole we are but flesh and we eat animal flesh every day if we evolved from animals why should we be any different? There are many hungry people in this world. If God is not watching and judging your deeds and you're hungry why not eat someone smaller or weaker than you? I don't eat people because of God but yes also because they don't sell them pre packaged at the store and you could probably get introuble if you started eating people but I bet they would taste delicious, and honestly without a sole why would it matter?
4-No i'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying God and acceptance of God helps maintain a somewhat humane human socitey

Any thoughts on this?

 

[Padawanbater2]

This is just a simple observation, I really couldn't care any less how you write/speak as long as I can understand it, but with my experience, the people who tend to be religious also tend to have inferior spelling and grammar capabilities, they tend to believe in things like ghosts, bigfoot, etc.

So what does this mean? Why am I pointing it out?

I think how a person speaks (or writes) is a direct reflection of that persons intellect. Those that are critical thinkers spell correctly, they use the right words at the right time.

Does anyone else agree with this point or at least notice it?

Moving on...

1- These are all very real and all proof of the existance of God

Clearly they're not because you can't even answer the question I asked you. If they were truly words directly from God, you would be able to tell me HOW you know they're coming from God and not just inside your own head.

"The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive." -Sam Harris

my subconsious and the voices in my head are all God and the work of God, the very existance of thoughts is the work of the very God you seek to deny and any voice I hear is the voice of God or the voice of those who work against him.

And why would an omniscient being choose to select good ol' beardo to transmit biblical messages again?

Another very common characteristic with believers.

You would like to think you're that special, but you're just not. You're an adult, it's time to accept that.

2-God has the right to bully

I'm afraid you've shown with this post you're an irrational human being. I'm not engaging with you in the future anymore, you simply choose to deny all the evidence all of us have presented against literally everything you've brought to the table. There isn't a single thing that somebody hasn't given you a well thought out, concise explanation for and yet you still think this way.

"God has the right to bully". The answer will NEVER be given, but I'll ask the question anyway.. And why would an omnibenevolent being "bully" anyone?

and if we are following his commandments for the good of man kind then enforcing the 10 commandments is the right thing to do.

Hep, beardo is looooong gone, but I do believe there is still a lot of potential in you, use this as an example of those questions you were asking earlier. Look at a believers thought process ^^. According to the believer, whatever God does is right, no matter what it is. He could murder babies, rape women, steal little girls tricycles... it's all right in the eyes of the fanatic because it's their god whose doing it. Yet one of us follows the father by example and we're sinners condemned to a pit of fire for eternity. Look at this situation closely, does that make any sense to you? Do you believe the god you believe in would design such a system? What do you think this says about these beliefs? How do you think a person like beardo could have reached the point he's at now?

Do you see how a person like this could become dangerous to the rest of society? (now magnify that by 50-100 million other Americans and you see what we're facing, it is an epidemic)

If we do not enforce the law of God then we are stuck with the laws of man and man is sinful.

I might take that into consideration if it wasn't completely inconsistent.

3-Why are you so quick to judge and what is sane or insane and by whos standard?

You hear voices inside your head (just like everyone else) but you attribute them to supernatural beings. This is one of the symptoms of mental instability. I've studied psychology, am by no means anywhere near being a professional in the field, but even an amateur with no training could tell you that. I would seriously suggest you speak to someone professionally about the voices you hear. See what they have to say about it.

..but with the attitude you've developed, what's to stop you from going, then coming back home, lighting up and reflecting upon it and saying "that bitch was just trying to stray me from the path of GOD! She's the one whose crazy!! My Bible will protect me!!"??

Without a sole we are but flesh and we eat animal flesh every day

A completely empty statement with absolutely no meaning. Humans are animals, get over it.

if we evolved from animals why should we be any different?

Because, some of us, have higher cognitive capabilities than other animals. What the hell are you even saying?

"if animals evolved from other animals why should we be any different?" - so all animals are exactly the same??

There are many hungry people in this world. If God is not watching and judging your deeds and you're hungry why not eat someone smaller or weaker than you?

Because it's fucking wrong to murder someone and eat them! I find it VERY FUCKING UNUSUAL I would need to explain something so simple to a fully grown adult human being.

I don't eat people because of God but yes also because they don't sell them pre packaged at the store and you could probably get introuble if you started eating people but I bet they would taste delicious, and honestly without a sole why would it matter?

You don't eat people because you believe in God and they don't package human meat in the supermarket?

Did I just find a new sig?!

4-No i'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying God and acceptance of God helps maintain a somewhat humane human socitey

I'd like to know how you rationalize that, what with nearly 100% of the world being religious for the entirety of human history, it would appear we're in a state of emergency. The fanatics will say it's because not enough people believe, but how the fuck much more do you need than 100%?!

I'm sorry, but your test of 'more religion ='s more structure and order' has failed miserably. Today's world is proof of that.

Well I never said either side is right, I'm sorry for not stating the atheists POV. So what I'm getting at is it's ok to make fun of religion or science (not a good thing just acceptable) but it is not ok to make fun of the believer whether the person believes in a god(s) or science or anything else.

What would you suggest is a more effective way to communicate the idea that organized religion is dangerous to the believer?

 

[Luger187]

Yes, a good person wouldn't join a cult that endorses murder without having a bad intention. And yes people can twist scriptures and use it in their advantage. That is why I suggest if you want to believe in a religion then don't follow organized religion because you cannot trust them. For example I read the bible on my own, followed it because I wanted to, and I dont need some guy from church telling me his opinions when he is not important to my relationship with my religion. I believe most churches are corrupt (I may be wrong though).

people dont join cults because they endorse murder. they join because they really believe it is the path to heaven or whatever. they see it as their religion, just like christians see christianity as their religion. usually the leader of the cult will groom them for a few months or maybe even years. after that, the people believe in it so much that they will be a lot more willing to follow the leader, whatever his path may be. they may believe he is god himself, or he has a direct connection to god. the leader then tells them that god wants them to do this or that. they follow orders because if they dont, hell will be waiting for them.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Heard of Warren Jeffs? Look that guy up, he's serving a life sentence in NM right now for shit exactly like you're talking about.

I saw a documentary on him once, the cult mentality is so strong, he was able to get more than 20 people to follow him for so long, he convinced I think it was 5 or 6 of the men to GIVE HIM THEIR WIVES, slept with all of them, had a bunch of kids who grew up in the cult too, then started molesting them (what he's in prison for right now). He made predictions about the end of the world (what the documentary focused on), then when it didn't happen, the believers BELIEVED IT DID!

This shit is so goddamn sad to me, stuff like this can happen. How people can just abandon the one thing that will keep them the most safe from scams and cons like Jeffs pulled... critical thought.

 

[Hepheastus420]

This is just a simple observation, I really couldn't care any less how you write/speak as long as I can understand it, but with my experience, the people who tend to be religious also tend to have inferior spelling and grammar capabilities, they tend to believe in things like ghosts, bigfoot, etc.

So what does this mean? Why am I pointing it out?

I think how a person speaks (or writes) is a direct reflection of that persons intellect. Those that are critical thinkers spell correctly, they use the right words at the right time.

Does anyone else agree with this point or at least notice it?

I have proper grammar and punctuation, and I do not believe in bigfoot or anything like that. So once again don't group all religious people together and insist that they are not as intelligent as you, I'm sure there's alot of religious people out there who believe you are inferior to them, so it wouldn't make sense to judge people as a group when there's too many different levels of intelligence to do that.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I have proper grammar and punctuation, and I do not believe in bigfoot or anything like that. So once again don't group all religious people together and insist that they are not as intelligent as you, I'm sure there's alot of religious people out there who believe you are inferior to them, so it wouldn't make sense to judge people as a group when there's too many different levels of intelligence to do that.

Don't take the defensive. I said it was just an observation. I also said "the people who tend to be religious"in an attempt to eliminate confusion. I also didn't say they were inferior to me, or that I was better than them. I said they tend to have inferior spelling and grammar. There are plenty of religious people who I knoware smarter than I am, I know some of these people personally. Being religious doesn't make you stupid, and I've never said it does.

Take a look at beardo's posts, then take a look at Heis' or MP's, there is a clear difference in levels of intellect. It's not 'elitest' to point this out. It says something about the person behind the keyboard and the way they think.

I directed a question to you in my last post specifically, what do you think about that?

 

[Luger187]

Heard of Warren Jeffs? Look that guy up, he's serving a life sentence in NM right now for shit exactly like you're talking about.

I saw a documentary on him once, the cult mentality is so strong, he was able to get more than 20 people to follow him for so long, he convinced I think it was 5 or 6 of the men to GIVE HIM THEIR WIVES, slept with all of them, had a bunch of kids who grew up in the cult too, then started molesting them (what he's in prison for right now). He made predictions about the end of the world (what the documentary focused on), then when it didn't happen, the believers BELIEVED IT DID!

This shit is so goddamn sad to me, stuff like this can happen. How people can just abandon the one thing that will keep them the most safe from scams and cons like Jeffs pulled... critical thought.

yeah cults can get CRAZY. i think Jeffs is in a coma because he did a hunger strike in prison haha. hes still trying to control the group from inside. im sure its working too. you cant just flip a switch and stop believing. those people are so fucked in the head lol

 

[Hepheastus420]

Hep, beardo is looooong gone, but I do believe there is still a lot of potential in you, use this as an example of those questions you were asking earlier. Look at a believers thought process ^^. According to the believer, whatever God does is right, no matter what it is. He could murder babies, rape women, steal little girls tricycles... it's all right in the eyes of the fanatic because it's their god whose doing it. Yet one of us follows the father by example and we're sinners condemned to a pit of fire for eternity. Look at this situation closely, does that make any sense to you? Do you believe the god you believe in would design such a system? What do you think this says about these beliefs? How do you think a person like beardo could have reached the point he's at now?

Do you see how a person like this could become dangerous to the rest of society? (now magnify that by 50-100 million other Americans and you see what we're facing, it is an epidemic)

I would not follow a god who thinks it's ok to rape, murder, steal little girls tricycles. The god I believe in (I'm a Christian) gives you free will to agree with him or not, so with that being said if he was evil I would probably sadly hate him because he would be the picture of evil, now if he was good (which he is) he would teach things of peace and love, which is the reason I follow him.

But I must also say that just because beardo believes god can do whatever he wants does not mean beardo agrees with god it just means he believes god has the power to do as he wishes. I agree that god can do as he wishes but i have the free will to believe he is wrong. But I can see if those 50-100 million Americans believed that because god can do it they should do it (murder, rape, thievery) then yes it would be an epidemic.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Don't take the defensive. I said it was just an observation. I also said "the people who tend to be religious"in an attempt to eliminate confusion. I also didn't say they were inferior to me, or that I was better than them. I said they tend to have inferior spelling and grammar. There are plenty of religious people who I knoware smarter than I am, I know some of these people personally. Being religious doesn't make you stupid, and I've never said it does.

Take a look at beardo's posts, then take a look at Heis' or MP's, there is a clear difference in levels of intellect. It's not 'elitest' to point this out. It says something about the person behind the keyboard and the way they think.

I directed a question to you in my last post specifically, what do you think about that?

Yeah sorry about that I skimmed through You and beardo's posts, so I didn't see it. But I didn't take it offensive I was just stating that nobody can group religious intellect together simply because it would just be to far fetched. So yeah sorry if I came off as a dick.

 

[Jack Harer]

I mean if you don't believe in a religion fine, just leave that persons religion alone. What's the point of being a douche and shooting down there belief? What do you have to gain? All your doing is causing negativity in the forums so don't go posting bad things in other threads that have to do with something that has nothing to do with you. I'm a Christian and I don't go around saying your wrong for not believing in what I believe in so why tell me I'm wrong? If your so sure your right about what you believe if you believe in buddha, Jesus, muhammed, the sphaghetti monster it doesn't matter don't tell other people there wrong when nobody knows what happens after death or if life completely ends when you die. So I'm not sure if all you guys are gonna agree with me but I'm calling a truce between all religions and asking for peace and no more negative posts. So shall we commence peace?

You pull this one off, I'm sending you to the Middle East on a first class ticket.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I would not follow a god who thinks it's ok to rape, murder, steal little girls tricycles. The god I believe in (I'm a Christian) gives you free will to agree with him or not, so with that being said if he was evil I would probably sadly hate him because he would be the picture of evil, now if he was good (which he is) he would teach things of peace and love, which is the reason I follow him.

What about the flood?

What about Sodom and Gomorrah?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_gomorrah

Or God's test to Abraham?

God's test to Job?

What about the entirety of the Old Testament?

Do you think God was right in these instances?

How could an omniscient being be wrong about anything?

See what I'm getting at..?

I agree that god can do as he wishes but i have the free will to believe he is wrong.

How could God be wrong?

 

[Justin00]

its sad to watch ppl hate other ppl for simply believing such, dare I say, irrelevant stuff. it really makes no since why you would want to ridicule someone else for believing things that happened over 2000 years ago happened differently than you would like to believe it did. are you scared you are wrong? are you just simply a bigot who hates anyone unlike themselves? or are you just trolling a pot forum even tho you don't smoke yourself, IDK but since i started smoking i started seeing the world in a much more passive live and let live way that you obviously have not discovered yet, just a heads up when you do it is an enlightening experience.

I'm baptist...... now that i said that do you think of me differently?

now ask yourself what that says about you... i'm not forcing my beliefs on you im not even telling you what they are im just telling you a word that associates with what i believe happened many 1000's of years ago..... and its causing you these kinds of emotions?

 

[Hepheastus420]

What about the flood?

What about Sodom and Gomorrah?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_gomorrah

Or God's test to Abraham?

God's test to Job?

What about the entirety of the Old Testament?

Do you think God was right in these instances?

How could an omniscient being be wrong about anything?

See what I'm getting at..?



How could God be wrong?

Yeah I get what your saying and honestly I don't know. I don't agree with him and with my morals I would say he is wrong. But his morals may be different so I guess he is right but it doesn't mean I'm gonna go do all those things he has done. He may have had a plan and that is why he did that. But don't let your opinion of me turn to that of your opinion towards beardo (I'm not saying anything bad about you beardo) and begin thinking I am crazed, I am just a human and have no idea if god is right or wrong. But I will have faith in him and his actions because he promises love and peace, and does not command us to sin but demands the opposite. Sorry if my answer did not satisfy your question but your question actually stumped me, ha.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but I'd like to address a few things..

its sad to watch ppl hate other ppl for simply believing such, dare I say, irrelevant stuff.

I don't hate anyone for the things they believe, but it seems no matter how many times I say that, it gets brushed under the rug. You guys want to think whatever you want to think. If you think I hate you for the beliefs you hold, you're mistaken, I'm sorry, but that's all there is to it.

I also can't really understand why you would think religion is irrelevant to our lives. Even someone like me, who has no religion, is influenced by everybody else's on a daily basis. Our society is shaped by religion and it's in every aspect of it, from the colors on our flags to the foods we eat to the clothes we wear.

it really makes no since why you would want to ridicule someone else for believing things that happened over 2000 years ago happened differently than you would like to believe it did.

What is a more effective way to communicate the idea that organized religion is dangerous to the believer?

If asking questions about your belief lead you to feel ridiculed, that's nobodies fault but your own. As I've said before, I'm not responsible for believers level of comfort. If anything I say could shake a believers faith and make them feel like they're being attacked, how strong was that persons faith to begin with? How true could these beliefs possibly be if simply questioning them threaten their validity?

IDK but since i started smoking i started seeing the world in a much more passive live and let live way that you obviously have not discovered yet, just a heads up when you do it is an enlightening experience.

Religion has never had the mentality of "live and let live", ever. You're fooling yourself.