Hepheastus420
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Ha I'm not being mellodramatic I'm just pondering the idea of life, good advice though bro.
What's Will All The Religion Hatred?
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robert 14617
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check this video out wile you contemplate
http://youtu.be/NQu_RRLbVDA
http://youtu.be/NQu_RRLbVDA
Hepheastus420
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Nothing like some Monty to cheer ya up.
Heisenberg
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It is absolutely not wrong to support your ideas. I do not find fault in that action itself. The fault I find is in the reasoning and ill education you engage in when you try to find support. You most certainly did argue against science, and notice that none of us played the hurt card. It's time you accept that religion deserves judgment. You can believe anyway, but you have to admit your belief is grounded not in reality, but faith. This is something even religion teaches you. The next step is to identify just what faith is, and if it is enough evidence.
olylifter420
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I think its time you start accepting people for who they are and stop being a pontificating ahole and dissecting word per word the defense of someone who believes.
Why is it so hard for you to accept people who believe in God?
Why is it so hard for you to accept people who believe in God?
Padawanbater2
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Apparently Yahushua Ha Mashiach didn't understand the correct form of "their" to use.. That's unusual..
How could someone possibly come to this conclusion unless they were lying to themselves? I don't believe in God because I would rather live a life of sin? Can you take a step back and see how absolutely preposterous that sounds? I don't understand how someone could read that, then think to themselves "shit, that MUST be the reason they don't believe!".
I can't make it any more clear for you...
We don't believe because there is no evidence.
And there you have it folks. Mystery solved!
How very Christian of you.. I wouldn't expect anything less.
No, I'm not going to delete the thread Hep, I'm sorry if it offends your sense of security, but if it bothers you that much, just don't click on it when someone replies, or click the 'unsubscribe' button.
Like I've told you before, this is the internet, nothing I or anyone else says should make you feel offended. The best way to counter someones post you feel is offensive to your religion is to stand in defense of it and tell us why.
We don't care what you believe as long as you don't hurt people. The thing about that is that simply by believing, you are hurting people. Carrying these beliefs any further into the future is hurting people.
I know you don't believe your beliefs hurt people, so let me give you an example... Consider Islam. How do you think that faith would fare if all it had was the fanatics and all the passive believers stopped believing? Do you think the fanatics would have any foundation to stand on, or would they look more like what they actually are, terrorists?
The problem seems to be that your religion has gotten away with you. It's brought all the inconsistent baggage right along side the good morals. The rest of us simply ask why can't we abandon the bad and keep the good? The answer given is because if we were to do that, it would mean parts of the Bible must be wrong. This is something believers are completely unwilling to accept, the Bible, to them, is infallible. Hence the current problem we face.
Passive belief promotes active fanaticism by leaving the door open to irrationality. As shown in this thread, none of the beliefs believers hold to be true are supported by evidence, they are all faith based. It's hard for a believer to let go of it because of the incredible fear of what it means if you do. When I was first making the transition into atheism, it was scary, it was uncharted territory, but I knew what the facts were and in my mind, as I hope you will someday discover, it eventually leads you to a point where the fear subsides and you understand reality for what it actually is, you understand what you've been told your whole life is a lie, a lie meant to promote comfort and peace but actually promotes ignorance and prejudice. You learn the good from organized religion can be learned, but you must be taught the bad.
After that comes a sense of anger, anger the rest of the world hasn't seen what you've seen.
At this point, I'm in a state of acceptance. I know the world won't let go of the superstition in my lifetime. The most we can hope to do is promote education and skepticism. These are the things that lead to rational decisions and valid conclusions.
sso
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yes, religion is full of good stuff.
but this is a pointless discussion. anyone who does accept the bible as the truth and nothing but the truth, is obviously lacking in cognitive function, therefore incapable of understanding our point.
same goes for any religion really..
we should just be happy they settled on a more or less "peaceful religion" and are moderately content.
but this is a pointless discussion. anyone who does accept the bible as the truth and nothing but the truth, is obviously lacking in cognitive function, therefore incapable of understanding our point.
same goes for any religion really..
we should just be happy they settled on a more or less "peaceful religion" and are moderately content.
Heisenberg
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I display this behavior because it is the behavior I am seeking in others when I state my beliefs. I wish for critical analysis outside of my own intellect. If someone does not wish to be subjected to this, they should keep their beliefs to themselves and excuse themselves from the table. You criticism of me seems to be nothing other than I am good at debate. I remain civil and never engage in pointless personal attacks, such as calling someone an asshole. If the truth is offensive to someone, I make no apologies for that.
I have stated that my problem is with dogmatic adherence to religions which are predicated on the certainty of god.
Padawanbater2
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@sso, plant the seed, that's all you can do. They have to water it themselves.
I'll be doing this my entire life, regardless of the results.
I'll be doing this my entire life, regardless of the results.
sso
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mjeh, many of these people, have really good reasons for holding onto religion like a drowning man a lifesaver..
some of them have experienced things like "the spirit of god coming over you"
which ive had and i was told it was angels giving me power for things to come.
felt like ecstasy..
you cant really convince someone like that, they are wrong, because you have nothing to offer.
nothing to replace it with.
the atheists have nothing to offer, since they dont have any spiritual understanding themselves, nor a real enough understanding of the world, to really make some of their statements..
the greater spiritual truths, need a maturity and certain bravery to face.
which the religious are simply not ready for. (nor really the atheists either, though a step closer, yet inaway, much further away)
though personally, i do not really care about that, i more care that people are good to one another.
this was more curiousity to see where the religous stand (and the atheists)
some of them have experienced things like "the spirit of god coming over you"
which ive had and i was told it was angels giving me power for things to come.
felt like ecstasy..
you cant really convince someone like that, they are wrong, because you have nothing to offer.
nothing to replace it with.
the atheists have nothing to offer, since they dont have any spiritual understanding themselves, nor a real enough understanding of the world, to really make some of their statements..
the greater spiritual truths, need a maturity and certain bravery to face.
which the religious are simply not ready for. (nor really the atheists either, though a step closer, yet inaway, much further away)
though personally, i do not really care about that, i more care that people are good to one another.
this was more curiousity to see where the religous stand (and the atheists)
olylifter420
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I am glad you feel that way, but when you use it to belittle someones beliefs, it just makes you out as an asshole.
You are taking things a bit to serious on the internet.
Can you show me where someone has "forced" their beliefs on you during one of these discussions?
You are tooting your own horn so to speak. That is not the question and i am not "criticizing" you, i am simply stating my position and opinion. It is you who sees this as "criticizing" so you can use to your advantage as you have already, by calling it such.
You are very smart, but you continue to see the world through one eye. Everyone is different and as such have different methods at addressing the issue. You feel good with your way because it makes you look like a very intelligent person, which you are.
I never said the 'truth' was offensive, only the people who try to preach the 'truth'!
please answer this question, why do you think you are better then me or hep or any other person who believes in God? Please answer?
Padawanbater2
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olylifter420
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how so?
Heisenberg
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I've addressed all this before, and to you. If you want answers, read my past posts.
Padawanbater2
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Can you give a specific example of Heis 'belittling' someones beliefs?
Padawanbater2
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Through science, we acquire knowledge. With the acquisition of knowledge comes understanding.how so?
sso
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btw, in my experience, there are "angels", prayers do work,
and there is a god.
its just that, its unimportant, in comparison to just having heaven on earth.
god likes a good party and happy people, family.
god is very misunderstood in many places and is really about as important as mickey mouse in daily life´s..
i say that and say this too.
i still believe the bible and the rest are mostly bullshit and hogwash.
rendered unintelligible by countless translations and fallacies of men.
who wrote the bible.
god sometimes talks to people, but people are fallible,
start a row of people, whisper in the ear of the first one "the sky is blue" and ask him to whisper it on, down the line.
go to the end and listen to the last whisper
and you are probably going to hear something like "lucy in the sky with diamonds"
people´s brain fart and if we didnt hear good, we think the person mustave said something else and make it up (ever hear the song wishmaster? ever seen it with the lyrics people think are in it? fishmaster)
religion is more the devil´s thing,,(who exists, but not in the way you might think and is about as important as the villain in the mickey mouse story(its more of a mental construction of man than a real being)
you are the children of god
and the children of god are god too.
making god , just, yet another person, just older and wiser (actually one of many...(there are gods))
and there is a god.
its just that, its unimportant, in comparison to just having heaven on earth.
god likes a good party and happy people, family.
god is very misunderstood in many places and is really about as important as mickey mouse in daily life´s..
i say that and say this too.
i still believe the bible and the rest are mostly bullshit and hogwash.
rendered unintelligible by countless translations and fallacies of men.
who wrote the bible.
god sometimes talks to people, but people are fallible,
start a row of people, whisper in the ear of the first one "the sky is blue" and ask him to whisper it on, down the line.
go to the end and listen to the last whisper
and you are probably going to hear something like "lucy in the sky with diamonds"
people´s brain fart and if we didnt hear good, we think the person mustave said something else and make it up (ever hear the song wishmaster? ever seen it with the lyrics people think are in it? fishmaster)
religion is more the devil´s thing,,(who exists, but not in the way you might think and is about as important as the villain in the mickey mouse story(its more of a mental construction of man than a real being)
you are the children of god
and the children of god are god too.
making god , just, yet another person, just older and wiser (actually one of many...(there are gods))
sso
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but i allready had itOh boy! Here's where you and I part ways!
Nothing to offer?
I just spent a good 20 minutes searching for the quote, but couldn't find it...
When someone asked Neil DeGrasse Tyson 'what can science offer me?', his response was simple and poetic...
"the Universe"
science is just yet another term for exploring the world and understanding it.