What's Will All The Religion Hatred?

olylifter420

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With the acquisition of knowledge comes understanding.
so if we do not abide by your rules then we incompetent?

also, i believe that is meant to make people who use it look like fools.

what knowledge is right and what knowledge is wrong?

it is personal beliefs and preferences
 

olylifter420

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Can you give a specific example of Heis 'belittling' someones beliefs?

i will do as the "roman's" do, you can review the past few pages and you will see. i dont have your time to be looking things up for you... does that sound familiar?
 

sso

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the trouble with "intellectuals" is they are often just as dogmatic as the relgious.

often lots of people have to die (from old age) before new theories are accepted.
 

Padawanbater2

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so if we do not abide by your rules then we incompetent?
If you don't follow the correct format that's already been well established through CENTURIES of work, CENTURIES man, longer than your Bible has been around, then you are susceptible to error. The scientific method provides us with the best known system to achieve correct results, and attempting to discern reality based on religious texts has proven to give us incorrect conclusions.

what knowledge is right and what knowledge is wrong?
I'd like to see how you answer that question first, before I answer it.

it is personal beliefs and preferences
No it isn't. Reality is not subject to your personal beliefs or preferences.
 

sso

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If you don't follow the correct format that's already been well established through CENTURIES of work, CENTURIES man, longer than your Bible has been around, then you are susceptible to error. The scientific method provides us with the best known system to achieve correct results, and attempting to discern reality based on religious texts has proven to give us incorrect conclusions.

thats not exactly true, they have found cities and stuff mentioned in the bible (and other religous texts (and as they say, in all myths there is a grain of truth))
 

sso

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Do you have any examples?
well, galileo and others if you want far back.

but closer to now, einstein was considered an idiot before a very famous physicist happened upon his theory..

forget names and im too stoned to properly recall it :)

but this is rather widely known,

see, make a theory and if it gets accepted, you are on easy street.

plus many people will now make a living around that theory..

which will make them actively fight against any theory disproving it.

which is not bad inofitself, only when they get dogmatic and overlook truth to protect their own status (a very monkey attribute)
 

olylifter420

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If you don't follow the correct format that's already been well established through CENTURIES of work, CENTURIES man, longer than your Bible has been around, then you are susceptible to error.
again, you display your ignorance. By the logic of your statement, you are saying that all ph.d's and professors who have contributed plenty to the fields that have helped you make up your own beliefs are fucking retarded.. well said sir, well said.

The scientific method provides us with the best known system to achieve correct results, and attempting to discern reality based on religious texts has proven to give us incorrect conclusions.
what scientific textbook or textbook for universities were written based on the bible? i forgot the time they made the bible part of the scientific method. that explains why you blame the bible on these incorrect conclusions.

I'd like to see how you answer that question first, before I answer it.
wow, that is a pussy move. why cant you answer it? is it too much for your small brain to handle?

No it isn't. Reality is not subject to your personal beliefs or preferences.
who is talking about reality? this is about knowledge. I really like the way you and heis are deflecting things now...
 

Heisenberg

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so if we do not abide by your rules then we incompetent?

also, i believe that is meant to make people who use it look like fools.

what knowledge is right and what knowledge is wrong?

it is personal beliefs and preferences
Personal beliefs have nothing to do with the shape of the moon. If everyone on earth believed the moon was square, it would still be round. This is the sort of thinking that suggests incompetence, rather than you breaking our nonexistent rules. The question of what knowledge is right or wrong, correct or incorrect, is what we are trying to explore.

i will do as the "roman's" do, you can review the past few pages and you will see. i dont have your time to be looking things up for you... does that sound familiar?
The burden of proof falls to you. You claim belittlement, but fail to show it.
 

Padawanbater2

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thats not exactly true, they have found cities and stuff mentioned in the bible (and other religous texts (and as they say, in all myths there is a grain of truth))
How does that apply to what I said?

well, galileo and others if you want far back.

but closer to now, einstein was considered an idiot before a very famous physicist happened upon his theory..

forget names and im too stoned to properly recall it :)

but this is rather widely known,

see, make a theory and if it gets accepted, you are on easy street.

plus many people will now make a living around that theory..

which will make them actively fight against any theory disproving it.

which is not bad inofitself, only when they get dogmatic and overlook truth to protect their own status (a very monkey attribute)
You don't seem to fully understand the entire process. Peer review, fundamental to the scientific method, would eliminate any scientists with an alternate agenda. The only thing that matters in science is the truth. What isn't true gets weeded out in peer review, which is why it was introduced to the process.

This is why ID doesn't get through, this is why no bad science or non science gets through the process. Creationists attempt to convince people it's because of some dogmatic agenda science is trying to pass (evolution), but it's pretty clear to anyone paying attention, its not science. If evolution wasn't science or it was false, it would have been figured out LONG AGO, when it was introduced. The fact it still exists today, 150 years later as a valid explanation of the diversity of life is a testament to its validity.

ID has never even had its foot in the door, what does that tell you about it...?
 

sso

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How does that apply to what I said?



You don't seem to fully understand the entire process. Peer review, fundamental to the scientific method, would eliminate any scientists with an alternate agenda. The only thing that matters in science is the truth. What isn't true gets weeded out in peer review, which is why it was introduced to the process.
well, i was being very brief (im abysmally tired) and you are right, but i also think you are being rather naive.
This is why ID doesn't get through, this is why no bad science or non science gets through the process. Creationists attempt to convince people it's because of some dogmatic agenda science is trying to pass (evolution), but it's pretty clear to anyone paying attention, its not science. If evolution wasn't science or it was false, it would have been figured out LONG AGO, when it was introduced. The fact it still exists today, 150 years later as a valid explanation of the diversity of life is a testament to its validity.
yes, but this train of thought of yours, does not account for current human nature, greed and selfishness and desire to be better than others. at any cost.
ID has never even had its foot in the door, what does that tell you about it...?
that you do not know as much as you think.

but i appreciate your thoughts, you certainly have no lack of intelligence, but somewhat lacking in experience.
 

Padawanbater2

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again, you display your ignorance. By the logic of your statement, you are saying that all ph.d's and professors who have contributed plenty to the fields that have helped you make up your own beliefs are fucking retarded.. well said sir, well said.
I read that three times and I'm still not sure what you're trying to say...

what scientific textbook or textbook for universities were written based on the bible? i forgot the time they made the bible part of the scientific method. that explains why you blame the bible on these incorrect conclusions.
Same issue with this man.. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say..

who is talking about reality? this is about knowledge. I really like the way you and heis are deflecting things now...
How do you know what is true and what is false? I use science, science has ways to quantify what is true and what isn't.

What do you have?
 

Padawanbater2

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olylifter420

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Personal beliefs have nothing to do with the shape of the moon.
you really need to look past the things that best suit your defense. it really makes you look foolish.

just in case you and pad do not understand what i am saying when i say "personal preference" is that it depends on what you want to study or learn, not on what shape the dumb moon is or whatever else pad said about that. Are you going to learn things you wish to learn or something someone is going to force you to learn? No, it is your own preference or interest in a certain subject of field of study.

The question of what knowledge is right or wrong, correct or incorrect, is what we are trying to explore.
which is your own personal preference or interest. jeez, how many more times do i have to say that so you all can understand? you learns about things that help you with your discussion because you chose to learn about your defense, correct?

The burden of proof falls to you. You claim belittlement, but fail to show it.
there is no burden on me, you all do the same, why cant i? Oh, i get, cause i believe in God.
 

sso

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padawanbater, i do think you have too much faith in science..

almost to the point of being relgious.

sometimes these conversations are like that,, the religion of science vs all others (same as with any religion)



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its not that i find fault with science.

i find fault with man´s arrogance in assuming he has all the answers allready or even close to it.

i personally feel we are barely a step or 2 above the monkeys.

i think compared to the future and not that far ahead, we are neanderthals.

and it would be ridiculous for us to claim any supremacy in knowledge or absolute certainty about our methods and findings.

i still think we need that doubt about everything, to be able to fully learn at the pace we can.
 
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