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Wolverine97

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*yeaaa .. Wolve gettin ' in on the UV-b action :) glad to have you on board Sir. feel free to post any results/data you find :)

--ill be using new tools under my arsenal to do a more concise scientific research journal on the affects of UV-b on Cannabis.. --it wont be pretty but im gonna do it anyways
Yeah, there's just been too much hype about cmh's for me to totally ignore. I've been interested in UV supplementation for a while now, just never done anything about it. I'll be eagerly awaiting your results also. Glad we have this here thread to kick it back and forth...
 

Kingrow1

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So two 250watt enviros, one red and one blue would kick out a lot of UV, would i need or be able to push more? Peace
 

Wetdog

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If you dont mind me asking that seems like a quite a bit of $ for a process i always thought was cheaper, i do like the mix but how much do you spend to get 55 gallons of that tea how concentrated is it and how long does it last you. Because im in the process of building my own brewer right now and i am also making a compost pile and buying a worm compost tray setup so i can get my own worm castings. Im trying to reduce the cost of nutrients to the absolute bare minimum while at the same time maximizing results. Recently ive been using flora nova i love it its pretty cheap since its all i use, maybe a bit of pirhana and tarantula at the beginning of the plants life but i want to keep up with my bennis without having to spend as much as i've been having to spend on what i've been getting for root boosters.

I like doo doo tea =)
Bigger like that is better and almost seems necessary for a true blue ACCT.

BUT!!! You can do it a good bit cheaper with a decent aquarium pump, airstones and 5 gal buckets. Same thing with the worm bins. 2 Rubbermaid totes and you're in business, ~$15+cost of the worms.

What I would like and what I can afford ...............:hump:

Wet
 

Kingrow1

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*not really sure how much UV-b is emitted from 250watt enviros, got a link on those bulbs :)?
Dont know what link your after but these are the bulbs, envirolites gone bust now so only a few left on the market, luckily plug n grow use the same bulbs as envirolites so same product which is what i have to order recently since the envirolite company went bust. Big factory in china somewhere size of a city. I have tried a few equivelents like maxibrite and others and watt for watt the envirolite/plug n grow kicks there ass. Id buy a hps before i bought any other brand of cfl's-

http://www.enviro-gro-lites.co.uk/Lamps.asp

Its mainly a safety thing and space vs heat reason why i use them, flower room is 75cm by 75cm by 1.2m tall so only small but with 500watts of these bulbs i yeild ok. I prefer a mixed spectrum for flowering, i run the just starting to flower down the blue side of the grow room and then when they are full flowering to finishing they go down the red side of the flower room. I do a plant a week and fit 11 plants into my flowering room at max. Peace
 

cannawizard

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Bigger like that is better and almost seems necessary for a true blue ACCT.

BUT!!! You can do it a good bit cheaper with a decent aquarium pump, airstones and 5 gal buckets. Same thing with the worm bins. 2 Rubbermaid totes and you're in business, ~$15+cost of the worms.

What I would like and what I can afford ...............:hump:

Wet
*correct.. you dont need to go big like 55gal & up, i was just testing out stuff ive researched :) --good for you i found what works (for me;)).. lol
and im always willing to share it, its not like im making these products & gettin $$ off them.. nor am i marketing anything(not now anyways :P), just sharing whats useful & works on these plants..

--cheers
 

cannawizard

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*check this out :)

off wiki..


Sources of UV


Natural sources of UV


The sun emits ultraviolet radiation in the UVA, UVB, and UVC bands. The Earth's ozone layer blocks 97-99% of this UV radiation from penetrating through the atmosphere.[5] Of the ultraviolet radiation that reaches the Earth's surface, 98.7% is UVA.[citation needed] (UVC and more energetic radiation is responsible for the generation of the ozone layer, and formation of the ozone there). Extremely hot stars emit proportionally more UV radiation than the sun; the star R136a1 has a thermal energy of 4.57 eV, which falls in the near-UV range.

Ordinary glass is partially transparent to UVA but is opaque to shorter wavelengths, whereas Silica or quartz glass, depending on quality, can be transparent even to vacuum UV wavelengths. Ordinary window glass passes about 90% of the light above 350 nm, but blocks over 90% of the light below 300 nm.[6][7][8]

The onset of vacuum UV, 200 nm, is defined by the fact that ordinary air is opaque at shorter wavelengths. This opacity is due to the strong absorption of light of these wavelengths by oxygen in the air. Pure nitrogen (less than about 10 ppm oxygen) is transparent to wavelengths in the range of about 150–200 nm. This has wide practical significance now that semiconductor manufacturing processes are using wavelengths shorter than 200 nm. By working in oxygen-free gas, the equipment does not have to be built to withstand the pressure differences required to work in a vacuum. Some other scientific instruments, such as circular dichroism spectrometers, are also commonly nitrogen-purged and operate in this spectral region.

Extreme UV is characterized by a transition in the physics of interaction with matter: Wavelengths longer than about 30 nm interact mainly with the chemical valence electrons of matter, whereas wavelengths shorter than that interact mainly with inner shell electrons and nuclei. The long end of the EUV/XUV spectrum is set by a prominent He+ spectral line at 30.4 nm. XUV is strongly absorbed by most known materials, but it is possible to synthesize multilayer optics that reflect up to about 50% of XUV radiation at normal incidence. This technology has been used to make telescopes for solar imaging; it was pioneered by the NIXT and MSSTA sounding rockets in the 1990s; (current examples are SOHO/EIT and TRACE) and for nanolithography (printing of traces and devices on microchips).

"Black light"


Main article: Black light

A black light, or Wood's light, is a lamp that emits long wave UV radiation and very little visible light. They are sometimes referred to as a "UV light". Fluorescent black lights are typically made in the same fashion as normal fluorescent lights except that only one phosphor is used, and the clear glass envelope of the bulb may be replaced by a deep-bluish-purple glass called Wood's glass, a nickel-oxide–doped glass, which blocks almost all visible light above 400 nanometres. The color of such lamps is often referred to in the trade as "blacklight blue" or "BLB." This is to distinguish these lamps from "bug zapper" blacklight ("BL") lamps that do not have the blue Wood's glass. The phosphor typically used for a near 368 to 371 nanometre emission peak is either europium-doped strontium fluoroborate (SrB4O7F:Eu2+) or europium-doped strontium borate (SrB4O7:Eu2+) while the phosphor used to produce a peak around 350 to 353 nanometres is lead-doped barium silicate (BaSi2O5:Pb+). "Blacklight Blue" lamps peak at 365 nm.

While "black lights" do produce light in the UV range, their spectrum is confined to the longwave UVA region. Unlike UVB and UVC, which are responsible for the direct DNA damage that leads to skin cancer, black light is limited to lower-energy, longer waves and does not cause sunburn. However, UVA is capable of causing damage to collagen fibers and destroying vitamins A and D in skin.[citation needed]

A black light may also be formed by simply using Wood's glass instead of clear glass as the envelope for a common incandescent bulb. This was the method used to create the very first black light sources. Though it remains a cheaper alternative to the fluorescent method, it is exceptionally inefficient at producing UV light (less than 0.1% of the input power), owing to the black body nature of the incandescent light source. Incandescent UV bulbs, due to their inefficiency, may also become dangerously hot during use. More rarely still, high-power (hundreds of watts) mercury-vapor black lights that use a UV-emitting phosphor and an envelope of Wood's glass can be found. These lamps are used mainly for theatrical and concert displays, and also become very hot during normal use.

Some UV fluorescent bulbs specifically designed to attract insects use the same near-UV emitting phosphor as normal blacklights, but use plain glass instead of the more expensive Wood's glass. Plain glass blocks less of the visible mercury emission spectrum, making them appear light-blue to the naked eye. These lamps are referred to as "blacklight" or "BL" in most lighting catalogs.

Ultraviolet light can also be generated by some light-emitting diodes.

Ultraviolet fluorescent lamps


Fluorescent lamps without a phosphorescent coating to convert UV to visible light, emit ultraviolet light with two peaks at 253.7 nm and 185 nm due to the peak emission of the mercury within the bulb. Eighty-five to ninety percent of the UV produced by these lamps is at 253.7 nm, while only five to ten percent is at 185 nm. Germicidal lamps use quartz (glass) doped with an additive to block the 185 nm wavelength. With the addition of a suitable phosphorescent coating, they can be modified to produce a UVA, UVB, or visible light spectrum (all fluorescent tubes used for domestic and commercial lighting are mercury (Hg) UV emission bulbs at heart).

Such low-pressure mercury lamps are used extensively for disinfection, and in standard form have an optimum operating temperature of about 30 degrees Celsius. Use of a mercury amalgam allows operating temperature to rise to 100 degrees Celsius, and UVC emission to about double or triple per unit of light-arc length. These low-pressure lamps have a typical efficiency of approximately thirty to thirty-five percent, meaning that for every 100 watts of electricity consumed by the lamp, it will produce approximately 30-35 watts of total UV output.

This section requires expansion.
Ultraviolet LEDs


Light-emitting diodes (LEDs) can be manufactured to emit light in the ultraviolet range, although practical LED arrays are very limited below 365 nm. LED efficiency at 365 nm is about 5-8%, whereas efficiency at 395 nm is closer to 20%, and power outputs at these longer UV wavelengths are also better. Such LED arrays are beginning to be used for UV curing applications, and are already successful in digital print applications and inert UV curing environments. Power densities approaching 3,000 mW/cm2 (30 kW/m2) are now possible, and this, coupled with recent developments by photoinitiator and resin formulators, makes the expansion of LED-cured UV materials likely.

This section requires expansion.
Ultraviolet lasers


UV laser diodes and UV solid-state lasers can be manufactured to emit light in the ultraviolet range. Wavelengths available include 262, 266, 349, 351, 355, and 375 nm. Ultraviolet lasers have applications in industry (laser engraving), medicine (dermatology and keratectomy), secure communications, and computing (optical storage). They can be made by applying frequency conversion to lower-frequency lasers, or from Ce:LiSAF crystals (cerium doped with lithium strontium aluminum fluoride), a process developed in the 1990s at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.[9]

Gas-discharge lamps


Main article: Gas-discharge lamp

Argon and deuterium lamps are often used as stable sources, either windowless or with various windows such as magnesium fluoride.[10]

Detecting and measuring UV radiation


Ultraviolet detection and measurement technology can vary with the part of the spectrum under consideration. While some silicon detectors are used across the spectrum, and in fact the US NIST has characterized simple silicon diodes[11] that work with visible light too, many specializations are possible for different applications. Many approaches seek to adapt visible light-sensing technologies, but these can suffer from unwanted response to visible light and various instabilities. A variety of solid-state and vacuum devices have been explored for use in different parts of the UV spectrum. Ultraviolet light can be detected by suitable photodiodes and photocathodes, which can be tailored to be sensitive to different parts of the UV spectrum. Sensitive ultraviolet photomultipliers are available.

Near UV


Between 200-400 nm, a variety of detector options exist.

Vacuum UV


Technology for VUV instrumentation has been largely driven by solar physics for many decades and more recently some photolithography applications for semiconductors. While optics can be used to remove unwanted visible light that contaminates the VUV, in general, detectors can be limited by their response to non-VUV radiation, and the development of "solar-blind" devices has been an important area of research. Wide-gap solid-state devices or vacuum devices with high-cutoff photocathodes can be attractive compared to silicon diodes. Recently, a diamond-based device flew on the LYRA (see also Marchywka Effect).
 

cannawizard

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Dont know what link your after but these are the bulbs, envirolites gone bust now so only a few left on the market, luckily plug n grow use the same bulbs as envirolites so same product which is what i have to order recently since the envirolite company went bust. Big factory in china somewhere size of a city. I have tried a few equivelents like maxibrite and others and watt for watt the envirolite/plug n grow kicks there ass. Id buy a hps before i bought any other brand of cfl's-

http://www.enviro-gro-lites.co.uk/Lamps.asp

Its mainly a safety thing and space vs heat reason why i use them, flower room is 75cm by 75cm by 1.2m tall so only small but with 500watts of these bulbs i yeild ok. I prefer a mixed spectrum for flowering, i run the just starting to flower down the blue side of the grow room and then when they are full flowering to finishing they go down the red side of the flower room. I do a plant a week and fit 11 plants into my flowering room at max. Peace

**your enviro bulbs dont fall under the same spectrum as typical uv-b 10.0 cfls.. you might not even be getting any uv-b at all bongsmilie

Name / Abbreviation / Wavelength range in nanometers / Energy per photon

Ultraviolet A, long wave, or black lightUVA400 nm–315 nm3.10–3.94 eV
NearNUV400 nm–300 nm3.10–4.13 eV
Ultraviolet B or medium waveUVB315 nm–280 nm3.94–4.43 eV
MiddleMUV300 nm–200 nm4.13–6.20 eV
Ultraviolet C, short wave, or germicidalUVC280 nm–100 nm4.43–12.4 eV
FarFUV200 nm–122 nm6.20–10.2 eV
VacuumVUV200 nm–100 nm6.20–12.4 eV
LowLUV100 nm–88 nm12.4–14.1 eV
SuperSUV150 nm–10 nm8.28–124 eV
ExtremeEUV121 nm–10 nm10.2–124 eV
 

Kingrow1

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This would be bad for me, wrong type of UV then.

I have seen black lights and those low pressure UV lights are all the range in public toilets over here plus they seem to stop smackheads finding their veins!lol!

This topic just got more complicated for me now, allow me to stay subscribed but dissapear to do some more research, i'll get back to you about the enviros and UV. Peace
 

Wetdog

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Yeah, I've been looking at some ACCT brewers, DIY rigs, but even DIY components are out of reach at the moment. Mainly the pumps.

Most of my bubble bucket teas are a bacterial/fungal boost than a nutrient one.

Wet
 

cannawizard

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Yeah, I've been looking at some ACCT brewers, DIY rigs, but even DIY components are out of reach at the moment. Mainly the pumps.

Most of my bubble bucket teas are a bacterial/fungal boost than a nutrient one.

Wet
*well if you got a 5/10gal bucket, 10/30watt air pump, and cheese cloth.. you can make a easy breezy compost tea out of FFoF (which has enuff 'nute' count to VEG healthy plants).. heh
 

Wetdog

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Hell yeah man. I'm giving the cmh a go around starting next week, we'll see how that goes. I'm going to look around to see if I can't find a quartz glass shield for the reflector, if not I'll just take the glass out entirely. See what all the hype is about.
CMH does UVb?

Cool! I'm going to cmh also. Didn't look into the uv part of it though.

Wet
 

cannawizard

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This would be bad for me, wrong type of UV then.

I have seen black lights and those low pressure UV lights are all the range in public toilets over here plus they seem to stop smackheads finding their veins!lol!

This topic just got more complicated for me now, allow me to stay subscribed but dissapear to do some more research, i'll get back to you about the enviros and UV. Peace
*hehe no problem buddy :) just read over your enviro bulb specs and compare them to reptile bulbs.. and go from there.. goodluck, hope to see you back in here ;)

--cheers
 

Wolverine97

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CMH does UVb?

Cool! I'm going to cmh also. Didn't look into the uv part of it though.

Wet
Yessir. At least that's what I've been reading all over the place lately. I like the spectrum on its own, the UVb is a major bonus IMO. I just want to make sure I'm giving it a fair shake, that's why I'll either replace the reflector glass with quartz glass or just take it out and push air through the carbon filter.
 

cannawizard

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Yessir. At least that's what I've been reading all over the place lately. I like the spectrum on its own, the UVb is a major bonus IMO. I just want to make sure I'm giving it a fair shake, that's why I'll either replace the reflector glass with quartz glass or just take it out and push air through the carbon filter.
Glass does hinder UVB waves, that's why I just hang my HIDS,CFLS,UV-b bulbs.. Heat isn't a prob since I use a portable dedicated a.c to vent my tents :)
 

cannawizard

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i wish i could afford ac for my tents, im going water cooled right now because of how small they are and i want to cram a 600 in there, i was thinkin about going cmh because i also have a 400w mag ballast but i kind have to have some cooling on the bulb i dont think my 270 cfm fan will be able to evac my 3x3x6 box fast enough and cool the bulb at the same time too without the tent getting hot. UVB is crazy man, it blows my mind how well plants grow outside and a lot of growers i know swear up and down they get better product inside, all i have to say to them is step your game up because if you keep up with any bugs you may get and inadvertant rains, i dont see how you could get better than some outdoor. Roots=fruits and outside you got as much rootspace as you want and then its all about when you plant and what you feed. Maybe someday indoor lighting will match the sun. Hey wiz hows that 1k led you mentioned thats uv spectrum. can you give me a lil more detail on it, i grow pretty exclusively with led right now. 1k is a big led, is that the typical wattage rating on the led chips added up to a total but only driven to half power or is it actually pulling 1k watts. If it is thats gotta be some beast UV boosting, i know for a fact that my LED's have more uvb than any MH or HPS i've ever used, every time i go in the box and come out my vision is green as all hell. Thats from the UV, you ever look at the sun and look away and see green spots? Spots is from how bright it is the green is from the uv rays cookin your retinaes lol
*just got back from my aura / epileptic aggro lolz, gimme a sec to get back into this :)
 
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