HELP pistils turning more red/brown then white too early

[KingofHearts2die4]

thanks man sorry for all the confusion...another thing i hit it a week ago with epsom salt and then rewatered with phed water...if the water running through wasnt coming out anything other then pretty much clear does that mean there is no food left...or does the slow release not rinse out like when using liquid mixes?

Im still having little no new white hairs...calyxs are swelling though.
is this burn?Overfed?

also it seems i have mites..i get most of em with my fingers and the fan blowing on it doesnt seem to discourage them from anything other then webs
I picked up that hotshot strip or something..is this the way to go or what do you recommend this late in flowering?

WHAT A TROUBLESOME PLANT INDEED!!

 

[Kingrow1]

The hotshot strips in the uk are systemic pesticides that you put in the soil and roots uptake it hence any bug feeding on the plant will die, nicotinamide based products like those used for commercial tomato production etc says posses little risk to humans and quite natural but for smoking the end product id be worried.

I dont know for your situation but if i get runoff and its clear then i got no ferts built up in the soil and will probably suffer deficiencies next. I will often take the ppm reading from my first bit of runoff, if it reads like 400ppm then i know to add ferts, if it reads 1600ppm then i need to flush some out a little. I dont know wether this method is accurate but it dose certainly give an indication of fert levels in the soil. Maybe i could do a thread about it and see if this is a valid way of judging soil fert levels.

Until then i cant say more on it but seems to work for me well. I had a plant showing a deficiency last night, flush read 500ppm so i added ferts of 700ppm, in a wek i hopefully will expect the new soil runoff to read about 800ppm hopefully. After a week again the plant should of had some of this to eat and it should have dropped to like 600ppm where i need to add more ferts and build the levels up. Canna ppm their soil initially to between 800 to 1200ppm as per written on the bag and this is quite strong soil to me so i aim for like 800ppm to 900ppm runoff for a healthy plant in flower. As soon as my runoff reads over 1200ppm i start seeing toxicity and lockout.

Just my opinion as i have yet to reference or prove it neither have i found many using this way but high ppm in runoff means high fert level in soil, clear runoff in my grow means i have no ferts in the soil. If i did a flush on overferted soil i would expect runoff to be brown, i would flush till runoff was clear and at that point i would no my soil is clean and almost nute free, suppose then i would have to add nutes back at half strength or face deficiency.

Personally i hate flushing, creates too many imbalances, the trick is to find the sweet spot and stay at that level, easier said than done. Good luck dude.

 

[KingofHearts2die4]

thanks man.problem is i dont have ppm meter. also using dry nutes to mix in...stated mulitiple time.
they say its hard to get a reading off of organic nutes cause of it being almost next to no salt.

next im deff having a dif in all of this and im wondering what would be a one shot instant feeder.
i have budswell,happyfrog fruit and flower,fast acting lime, gypsum,epsom salt and i believe thats it for dry nutes.
wet stuff i have some old pureblend pro veg,calc mag +,sweet(berry),mollases and PH UP(which im confused if it kills bacterias and fungi)


any thoughts on a nice tea with any of that stuff? one that could give me a range of micro nutes.. 2 being iron and zinc.
the diff is showing on some of the buds leaves as yellow leaves that are ridged and small...kinda look like they are having a hard time coming out but green leaves around them slightly unaffected

 

[Kingrow1]

thanks man.problem is i dont have ppm meter. also using dry nutes to mix in...stated mulitiple time.
they say its hard to get a reading off of organic nutes cause of it being almost next to no salt.

next im deff having a dif in all of this and im wondering what would be a one shot instant feeder.
i have budswell,happyfrog fruit and flower,fast acting lime, gypsum,epsom salt and i believe thats it for dry nutes.
wet stuff i have some old pureblend pro veg,calc mag +,sweet(berry),mollases and PH UP(which im confused if it kills bacterias and fungi)


any thoughts on a nice tea with any of that stuff? one that could give me a range of micro nutes.. 2 being iron and zinc.
the diff is showing on some of the buds leaves as yellow leaves that are ridged and small...kinda look like they are having a hard time coming out but green leaves around them slightly unaffected

It is next to no salt when you mix them up and feed but after the soil microbes have converted them into available nutrients they are salts basically and hence why yes you cannot read ppm on mixing nutes but after they been in the soil a while you will be able to read the strength of the soil in the runoff, or so i am led to believe. You dont have a ppm meter so i suppose its not somthing you can do.

I asked the question of wether using organic nutes causes salt build up in soil to some very top growers on here and they said yes without a doubt, i believe them too as my soil runoff ppm goes up over time the more i add and down over time the more the plant eats.

As for organic teas i have never done that yet but am looking to in the future, go to the organics forum and ask there, they also got good threads on how to make amazing teas with like just 3/4 ingredients of which i think you have some already.

From what i know ph up and ph down have little effect on the soil microbes/microherd, the water has very little of the acid or alkali in. I do have a ppm meter and i have to add a lot to get a reading on it with pH up and down so the amount you use wont make a difference, if your soil was that acidic in the first place i dont think youd have many soil organisms in your soil as they prefer pH7 soils and your organic ferts would not really work very well. I water with pH8.2 water at max and my plant dosent give a crap, pH is overated and quite misleading.

As for micros seaweed is about the best and most complete additive i know of, it is sold in liquid extract form suitable for plants. it is recomended to use as a foliar spray but works just as good when added to soil. Good luck dude

 

[Kingrow1]

And just to say my biobizz grow which is OMRI certified organic dose read on a ppm meter and very accuratly however the biobizz bloom dose not read much on a ppm meter, as with pH there is a lot of misleading info out there, all ferts produce salts in the soil. Peace

 

[stuckonsticky]

Yeah all ferts do put salts in the soil..they leave shit in hydro systems too.fuckin ph...i guess im lucky..i use promix i add worm castings perlite and bat guano 10-2-1..my water is always between six and seven with or without nutes..the only nutes im using are pura vida organics grow and bloom...and stuff called bloombastic which smells like i dont even know...im scared of it so it says to use half a t spoon i used four drops..im wicked stoned so im not sure it could be the total opposite but i believe my water is a natural six...when i add nutes..always half strength..the water goes up to seven...but im using the rolls of paper you dip in and match the color..i dont know maybe if i was hydro id buy all the crazy ppm pens and shit but oh well im not really in a rush dont get me wrong id love 20% faster growth but im ADD hardcore and i have two young sons and my store and i feel too busy to deal with changing rezz and all that...sorry im fried my point was ph sucks..........i think..

 

[stuckonsticky]

Oh and i always flush at the watering i switch to flowering food..i flush that shit out and its a nasty yellow color..thats why watering till a bit of runnoff is good imo...because it doesnt give that shit too long to sit down there. .ill water nutes half strength then water then water...i feel like with the runoff and two waterings it keeps salt from building up therefore fucking up the ph...but im fried so. .Its worked for me so far...i do actually want to grab a bottle of myan microzym and an air pump and stone for the five gallon buckets i use to let the water sit...i have a couple plants and im starting my first journal..one will get it and the bloombastic and one wont..now that i know what the basics will do i feel like i can add something and know if it actually helps....i looked but couldnt find the pics of your plants what page they on.

 

[Kingrow1]

Yeah all ferts do put salts in the soil..they leave shit in hydro systems too.fuckin ph...i guess im lucky..i use promix i add worm castings perlite and bat guano 10-2-1..my water is always between six and seven with or without nutes..the only nutes im using are pura vida organics grow and bloom...and stuff called bloombastic which smells like i dont even know...im scared of it so it says to use half a t spoon i used four drops..im wicked stoned so im not sure it could be the total opposite but i believe my water is a natural six...when i add nutes..always half strength..the water goes up to seven...but im using the rolls of paper you dip in and match the color..i dont know maybe if i was hydro id buy all the crazy ppm pens and shit but oh well im not really in a rush dont get me wrong id love 20% faster growth but im ADD hardcore and i have two young sons and my store and i feel too busy to deal with changing rezz and all that...sorry im fried my point was ph sucks..........i think..

I feed at pH 6 and water at ph8, my soils got lime in and thats it for pH, i never get no problems. Ph up and down your water, it makes little difference imo. Too much salts in the soil, now that will lower pH a lot and make things real inhospitable. All you got to do is flush and remove them and the pH rises.

Some think it is the soil pH there seeing rise and fall, wrong answer it is the salt buildups you put there with your ferts hence when you flush and they are gone like magic the pH rises again. People give bad info on pH as i once did till i learnt better. I never had pH problems since and i was pH'ing everything then, now i dont bother and never have one problem.

Thanks for saying about the runoff, i aim to get one third runoff with all feeds and waterings and never need to do a flush. For size of pot and soil in flowering my plants take 1 litre to saturate all the soil so i give 1.5 litres so that i get half a litre runoff and seems to never give me salt buildup. Peace

 

[KingofHearts2die4]

just to update without reading really fast...pistils still brown and red,calyxes swelling, yellowing from bottom slowed and bunch. look at the crystals and they are clear and clousy. this is indca dom strain

 

[KingofHearts2die4]

any objections to a final flush maybe with molasses? she seems to have stop producing, regaurdless it being ph or over nuted if it doesnt do anything then it looks like ill be pulling early

 

[KingofHearts2die4]

will have pictures, and bunches(not thousands) but a bunch of new pistils are emerging from like nowhere.stay tuned.

just to know when i last asked the flush question i pretty much just watered with ebsom salt water which stopped the yellowing from the bottom up, and had dug up the top few inches of soil and mixed it with some of that lime...and have watered once since then with minute amount of molasses, everything seems to be doing fine now and slowly begining to fix herself..temperatures have been dropping in the 40s and being in the 60s during the day so im not catching any breaks after its been raining.

Question.
is it okay to put a heat pad underneith her.it has 3 temp levels and i wondered if it would help with keeping the roots warm and drying out the dirt at the same time..i may start a thread if i cant get an answer

 

[nick17gar]

id give it a lil more time to flush, then harvest. you gota be watching the trichromes not the hairs. when they are about 25% white, 50% yellow, and 25% brown, then its time for a flush, 24-48 hour darkness, then harvest. I dunnno about a heat pad, didnt you say they are inside? the temp inside your home is dropping to 40 degrees? if they are inside, and the temp is low, add lights, turn off excess fans... but outside i dunno about a heat pad. put up some pics and lets see whats going on there. but from what we've seen, id say your gonna have some yum coming your way

 

[KingofHearts2die4]

no its an outdoor plant brought inside force flowered..so that way im not waiting for the days to become shittier like they were the last few days...it litterally felt like the begining of winter it got so cold so fast....and the heat pad thing is because it seems my dirt is staying alittle moist due to cold temperatures and what not.im gonna give her straight water today as she feels lighter then she usually does ex this time shes been moist for some time. im def checking tricromes i find randow amber ones but the vast majority are still clear and some cloudy i took some pictures and will be doing so after i water so i will post them shortly