LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

PetFlora

PetFlora

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pr0fesseur said:
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Fuji PURP SPD
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Aquasun SPD

Anyone notice a difference?
Maybe I'm hallucinating but i DEFINITELY notice a HUGE difference
Sometimes i can be a raving lunatic... but look closely and youll see all the difference
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Seeing them side-by-side I see that the Fiji has a lot more red. Now I understand why they are your 'go-to' bulbs for both veg & flower. I will be getting some of them for sure.
 
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cjd

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pr0fesseur, I have been a lurker for a while now and you are doing what I thought would be a great source of lighting. I like the way you are doing and going with this, you are using Science. I was going the LED route but your testing has put that on hold for a bit. Many moons ago I played around with aquarium lighting for plant growth at a pet store I worked at with not great results. But this was 20 years ago. I was considering using another aquarium tool. Do you know of or does anyone know if there has been any experimenting using a light timer, such as the type used for Reef aquariums. I know there are people working on introducing far red into their lighting, you being one of them, and from what I have read the unknown is the timing. I am wondering if there is a chart of what nm's are present and at what intensities at specific times of the day. For example unless I misunderstood what I read, far red is present before the sunrise. Also the intensity of the wavelengths are different threw out the day so I see a timer being an asset. I believe some of the LED people are switching on only the far red diodes for a time before any of the others, and at the end of the cycle they switch off all but the far red. I believe 1 hr on both ends. I think it may be a cheap and effective way to squeeze every last bit of potential out of indoor lighting and improve the quality of the end product. I was thinking about using lights with only 2 bulbs per unit to make the switching on easier. Unless you know of a 8 bulb light that works on 4 independent switches. What do you think? Or am I wasting time on something that would make a negligible difference.
 
MurshDawg

MurshDawg

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cjd said:
pr0fesseur, I have been a lurker for a while now and you are doing what I thought would be a great source of lighting. I like the way you are doing and going with this, you are using Science. I was going the LED route but your testing has put that on hold for a bit. Many moons ago I played around with aquarium lighting for plant growth at a pet store I worked at with not great results. But this was 20 years ago. I was considering using another aquarium tool. Do you know of or does anyone know if there has been any experimenting using a light timer, such as the type used for Reef aquariums. I know there are people working on introducing far red into their lighting, you being one of them, and from what I have read the unknown is the timing. I am wondering if there is a chart of what nm's are present and at what intensities at specific times of the day. For example unless I misunderstood what I read, far red is present before the sunrise. Also the intensity of the wavelengths are different threw out the day so I see a timer being an asset. I believe some of the LED people are switching on only the far red diodes for a time before any of the others, and at the end of the cycle they switch off all but the far red. I believe 1 hr on both ends. I think it may be a cheap and effective way to squeeze every last bit of potential out of indoor lighting and improve the quality of the end product. I was thinking about using lights with only 2 bulbs per unit to make the switching on easier. Unless you know of a 8 bulb light that works on 4 independent switches. What do you think? Or am I wasting time on something that would make a negligible difference.
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+rep!!!!! great question
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Another new guy here being drawn out of the lurkosphere! I am tiptoeing back into growing for myself; I had a coupla grows in the previous century. (grin)
I'm starting out very small. I really don't want to f*** with HIDs in a rented space, and I was soooo close to pulling the trigger on an LED grow panel before finding this thread. The Pr0fesseur's method and passion have won me over.
So I have a small light on order, 4x 24 inch bulbs, to prove concept to myself ... not so much whether the Pr0f's ideas work - I consider that demonstrated - but whether I can have a small simple grow to call my own.

Bulbs - I selected 2x Fiji Purple, 1x UVl Super Actinic, and 1x ATI Aquablue for veg. I will swap the Aquablue for a Red Sun for flowering.

Opinions in re my bulb choices? cheers 'neer
 
pr0fesseur

pr0fesseur

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cannabineer said:
Another new guy here being drawn out of the lurkosphere! I am tiptoeing back into growing for myself; I had a coupla grows in the previous century. (grin)
I'm starting out very small. I really don't want to f*** with HIDs in a rented space, and I was soooo close to pulling the trigger on an LED grow panel before finding this thread. The Pr0fesseur's method and passion have won me over.
So I have a small light on order, 4x 24 inch bulbs, to prove concept to myself ... not so much whether the Pr0f's ideas work - I consider that demonstrated - but whether I can have a small simple grow to call my own.

Bulbs - I selected 2x Fiji Purple, 1x UVl Super Actinic, and 1x ATI Aquablue for veg. I will swap the Aquablue for a Red Sun for flowering.

Opinions in re my bulb choices? cheers 'neer
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good choice in bulbs thats a good mix for veg and bloom :D
 
UnderCurrentDWC

UnderCurrentDWC

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PrOfesseur? Did I see you say that you use VHO bulbs in your HO ballast? something about they last longer? I didn't think one could use VHO lamps in a HO set up. I'm going to buy the 54 watt HO bulbs (w/reflectors where possible) and wanted to make sure that was the right choice.

Would you suggest any additional bulbs in a 16 bulb lamp than you have already mentioned?

Thanks for sharing all this info you've compiled with us.

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pr0fesseur

pr0fesseur

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MeanJean said:
So new guy hear been reading your post find your hardcore evidence and dedication to the subject amazing and was gonna give this system a try. Buying a T5 bad boy 8 bulb lighting system soon and was wondering if i could get a list of the lights you have been using to good effect for seed/veg/flower stages.
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I know this is a long thread but a few pages ago we covered that..
 
pr0fesseur

pr0fesseur

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UnderCurrentDWC said:
PrOfesseur? Did I see you say that you use VHO bulbs in your HO ballast? something about they last longer? I didn't think one could use VHO lamps in a HO set up. I'm going to buy the 54 watt HO bulbs (w/reflectors where possible) and wanted to make sure that was the right choice.

Would you suggest any additional bulbs in a 16 bulb lamp than you have already mentioned?

Thanks for sharing all this info you've compiled with us.

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Aquarium bulbs usually are V-HO meaning they are both... that is to say that they are either underdriven VHO bulbs or overdrive capable HO bulbs any way you slice it thats they way they come!
The UVL bulbs have an internal reflector series
http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/lighting/t5-lamps/uv-lighting/uv-lighting-t5-w-reflectors
 
pr0fesseur

pr0fesseur

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cjd said:
pr0fesseur, I have been a lurker for a while now and you are doing what I thought would be a great source of lighting. I like the way you are doing and going with this, you are using Science. I was going the LED route but your testing has put that on hold for a bit. Many moons ago I played around with aquarium lighting for plant growth at a pet store I worked at with not great results. But this was 20 years ago. I was considering using another aquarium tool. Do you know of or does anyone know if there has been any experimenting using a light timer, such as the type used for Reef aquariums. I know there are people working on introducing far red into their lighting, you being one of them, and from what I have read the unknown is the timing. I am wondering if there is a chart of what nm's are present and at what intensities at specific times of the day. For example unless I misunderstood what I read, far red is present before the sunrise. Also the intensity of the wavelengths are different threw out the day so I see a timer being an asset. I believe some of the LED people are switching on only the far red diodes for a time before any of the others, and at the end of the cycle they switch off all but the far red. I believe 1 hr on both ends. I think it may be a cheap and effective way to squeeze every last bit of potential out of indoor lighting and improve the quality of the end product. I was thinking about using lights with only 2 bulbs per unit to make the switching on easier. Unless you know of a 8 bulb light that works on 4 independent switches. What do you think? Or am I wasting time on something that would make a negligible difference.
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+rep good question
YES i would love to use a ballast with times however im not paying 700$ for one! that being said most lamps have one two or 4 switches and only 1 cord :( so thats not going to work.. however there are DIY retro kits i have mentioned here before that you can DIY a setup... is it worth it... maybe will the yeild be affected who knows... will it grow better bud probably not.
Plants react to different wavelengths by producing hormones based on what wavelength they recieve.. i know NOTHING about the hormones that these plants produce other than names and what roles they play... NOW
Animals on th other hand react DIFFERENTLY to light! that is to say it induces "behavior" so i would have to say maybe a timer on something like a UV lamp would affect growth .. but red light probably not...
 
pr0fesseur

pr0fesseur

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I must say today i smoked my first of my Kandy kush, and while she smells tame im zonked its hard to spell hard to do anything really.... and no headache! and for this reason i love love love organics! and even made a nice little ball of bubble hash which was gifted to my buddy whos never smoked real hash before. i am left with just enough to tide me over till next grow 60g should las a little while.... maybe not @ this rate!!!
 
Izoc666

Izoc666

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hey fellas, i was researching to get a light for my grow tent soon...my wife really like to get me a LED (Sunshine Systems 45WT LED Grow Light) instead of HID light....so my wife found this one and asked me if i like this one....so i really dont know much about LED if you can help me out if this one is good enough for few plants. its at the sears. if you can click below and check it out for me , please ?

?http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_01299273000P?prdNo=13&blockNo=13&blockType=G13

if you have any better advice for me to get kind of different LED as long as its under 150 bucks. I will be highly appreicate it. thanks for your time.
 
UnderCurrentDWC

UnderCurrentDWC

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Izoc666 said:
hey fellas, i was researching to get a light for my grow tent soon...my wife really like to get me a LED (Sunshine Systems 45WT LED Grow Light) instead of HID light....so my wife found this one and asked me if i like this one....so i really dont know much about LED if you can help me out if this one is good enough for few plants. its at the sears. if you can click below and check it out for me , please ?

?http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_01299273000P?prdNo=13&blockNo=13&blockType=G13

if you have any better advice for me to get kind of different LED as long as its under 150 bucks. I will be highly appreicate it. thanks for your time.
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Don't waste your money. You can't buy a good L.E.D system for 150$
 
UnderCurrentDWC

UnderCurrentDWC

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BadBoy 16 lamp T-5 $350, 18 T-5 Aquarium lights $371, A 4x4 grow area with 777 watts of 100% P.A.R lighting Priceless!


Sorry I had to.
Can't wait to put the girls under it.
 
Psytranceorgy

Psytranceorgy

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I am considering the following bulb setup for a new 8 bulb Quantum Bad Boy in a 2' x 4' x 5.5' tent. Bulb budget is $250.00. I just priced it out, and I would be able to purchase the 12 bulbs below (4 blue rotated with 4 red) for $250.00 shipped from Aquarium Specialty.

I am really interested in hearing what you guys think:

VEGETATIVE
1 Giesemann aquaflora
2 UV Lighting 454
3 UV Lighting super actinic
4 Korallen Zucht fiji purple
5 Korallen Zucht fiji purple
6 UV Lighting super actinic
7 UV Lighting 454
8 Giesemann aquaflora



FLOWERING
1 Giesemann aquaflora
2 UV Lighting red sun
3 Korallen Zucht fiji purple
4 UV Lighting red sun
5 Giesemann aquaflora
6 UV Lighting red sun
7 Korallen Zucht fiji purple
8 UV Lighting red sun
 
pr0fesseur

pr0fesseur

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Psytranceorgy said:
I am considering the following bulb setup for a new 8 bulb Quantum Bad Boy in a 2' x 4' x 5.5' tent. Bulb budget is $250.00. I just priced it out, and I would be able to purchase the 12 bulbs below (4 blue rotated with 4 red) for $250.00 shipped from Aquarium Specialty.

I am really interested in hearing what you guys think:

VEGETATIVE
1 Giesemann aquaflora
2 UV Lighting 454
3 UV Lighting super actinic
4 Korallen Zucht fiji purple
5 Korallen Zucht fiji purple
6 UV Lighting super actinic
7 UV Lighting 454
8 Giesemann aquaflora



FLOWERING
1 Giesemann aquaflora
2 UV Lighting red sun
3 Korallen Zucht fiji purple
4 UV Lighting red sun
5 Giesemann aquaflora
6 UV Lighting red sun
7 Korallen Zucht fiji purple
8 UV Lighting red sun
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Obviously you havent looked at the SPD charts for the AQUA flora... Stay away from them... These bulbs have far too much yellow in them to be efficient the blue peaks @ 400nm which is not as efficient as 420-450 their SPD charts also seems a bit suspect....
Consider instead Ati Blue+ or ATI aquablue special

Side note
try to space your bulbs so that your colors are as close to each other as possible and evenly spaced.
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