Making pure Delta9-THC oil

[Finshaggy]

First of Mr. Angry pants, the above quote is not clear on whether or not you have studied a particular branch of chemistry. I was simply asking if you had taken organic chemistry, maybe I was leading my question to more ideas, but thats out of the question now.

2nd and lastly, I never said anything about acetone. I will go on to say that i have had 4 years of chemistry including organic and am currently running a research project on plant alkaloids and phenols to understand more about their reaction on the nervous system. I will also go on to say that anytime my professors or myself handle ANY solvent that we wear the proper gloves and eyewear. This is my last post and view on your thread, although a great topic, I'll take my brain elsewhere.

-Mattman

SOOOO I don't care if it was clear on that. You asked about organic chemcistry and I told you if you raed more that I did not do organic.

YOU QUOTED ME ON ACETONE DUMB ASS. The quote you pulled talked about Acetone, and RIGHT AFTER you said your little thing about Ochem.

I'm glad that you guys wear gloves. I dump Acetone on my hands JUST to feel the evaporation. It's a crazy sensation. AND IT'S COMPLETELY SAFE. NOT SUGGESTING YOU DO THAT, but it is safe for what I said to use it for in the experiment. AND I'm pretty sure the experiment says you can use alcohol or water too. So Idk why everyone is so caught up on Acetone and Danger of solvents. Go use a water method if it's gonna be such a big deal to you.

And I'm not angry, I'm just replying.

 

[mattman]

 

[Finshaggy]

Lol. Glad there's no reasoning behind it your thoughts. Makes your point so much more valid. And you said that you weren't going to post here again.


DUMB ASS.

Why don't you just read the comment and not cry about it.

 

[mattman]

Yeh man go wash your entire body in acetone...

 

[Finshaggy]

SOOOO I don't care if it was clear on that. You asked about organic chemcistry and I told you if you raed more that I did not do organic.

YOU QUOTED ME ON ACETONE DUMB ASS. The quote you pulled talked about Acetone, and RIGHT AFTER you said your little thing about Ochem.

I'm glad that you guys wear gloves. I dump Acetone on my hands JUST to feel the evaporation. It's a crazy sensation. AND IT'S COMPLETELY SAFE. NOT SUGGESTING YOU DO THAT, but it is safe for what I said to use it for in the experiment. AND I'm pretty sure the experiment says you can use alcohol or water too. So Idk why everyone is so caught up on Acetone and Danger of solvents. Go use a water method if it's gonna be such a big deal to you.

And I'm not angry, I'm just replying.

I don't even have to say anything this time.

 

[Finshaggy]

Your easy.

 

[mattman]

And your a huge cunt... I did not post anything on your thread to insult you, but after your hand washing comment, Ill assume that you won't be on this planet that much longer

have a good day

 

[Finshaggy]

Because calling someone a Dumb Ass insn't insulting???
DUMB ASS.
You said you were "Taking your brain" somewhere else a long time ago. GO. I akready approved of that in a post and didn't expect you to come back.
Take this stupid argument that did stem from you misinterpretation of my original post (I told you there that I took 0 O-chem) Or from your inability to read.

I'm sorry I thought you were disputing some science when you tried to bring up that you knew something about science. That's just what it totally came off as.


And

Ill assume that you won't be on this planet that much longer

Is this some kind of death threat? Is that how you make yourself FEEL BETTER? "AT LEAST HE'LL BE DEAD SOON."

YOUR INSANE, truly.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

your pot looks like shit. i think you should take a few lessons at newbe central

 

[Finshaggy]

I started off organic and with a desk lamp. Notice that pictures been there for a while, things change.

And that's completely unrelated to the thread or chemistry.

 

[Finshaggy]

And it's Texas bagseed from reggie. Good reggie, but still it was reggie. The importance isn't in what my plant looks like now, it's the fact that I have genetics that were mixed up in Mexico, possibly for generations and generations. But the buds we were smokin were still, good ass shit by reggie standards. So all I gotta do is order me some seeds from a 1,000 year old dank strain (Already decided which one), breed it with my Texas girls. Then from there I just buy medicinal females and breed the best males from my Texas girls and the 1,000yr mixing together. So, my "SHITTY WEED" is gonna be my own personal strain in 5, 10, 20 years. So go suck your pre-named weed's dick. I got patience on my side, gonna make my shit DANK and NEW. What do you got? Something that's going to die at the end of it's life cycle? That you will get credit for one batch of? I got that too.

 

[forgetfulpenguin]

That isn't even close to getting 99% pure THC. That drop of acetic acid is just some laughable misinterpretation of converting THC to its acetate by refluxing it with acetic anhydride (highly dangerous, some sources questionable). You can up the concentration of THC by converting CBD into THC but that only covers one of the impurities and does not use acetic acid.

David Hoye has a book out entitled Cannabis Alchemy. It covers topics like kitchen solvent extraction (he designed a nice apparatus for it), converting CBD to THC, converting THC to a higher rotating isomer, and converting THC to its acetate.

THC acetate has twice the potency of THC. On the Adams scale THC 7.3, while its acetate = 14.6. Furthermore, there is a 25% increase in weight after adding the acetate structure. The effect of the acetate is more spiritual and psychedelic than that of the ordinary product. The most unique property of this material is that there is a delay of about thirty minutes before its effects are felt.
...
THC is converted to THC acetate by refluxing for two hours with acetic anhydride.

Otto Snow's THC & Tropacocaine is also worth a read. A lot of good information on extracting and synthesizing THC. It also covers acetylation of THC.

Preparation of 1-Acetoxy-7 ,8,9,1 O-tetrahydro-3-(1-methylhexyloxy)6,6,9-trimethyl-6Hdibenzo[b,d]pyran by Bernard Loev of Broomall, Pa. July 18,1973

A solution of 1.0 g. of 1-hydroxy-7,8,9,10-tetrahydro-3-(1-methylhexyloxy)-6,6,9-trimethyl6H-dibenzo[b,d]pyran in 20 mL. of acetic anhydride containing 0.5 g. of sodium acetate is refluxed for 5 hours. The excess anhydride is evaporated in vacuo and the residue is dissolved in water and extracted with ether. The extract is washed with water

Preparation of dl-trans-1-Acetoxy-3-(1 ',1 'dimethylheptyl)-6,6-dimethyl-6,6a, 7 ,8,10,1 Oa-hexahydro-9Hdibenzo[b, d]pyran -9-one: By Robert A. Archer of Indianapolis, IN Louis Lemberger of Indianapolis, IN February 17,1976

A mixture of 500 mg. of dl-trans-1-hydroxy-3-(1',1 'dimethylheptyl)-6,6-dimethyl-6,6a,7 ,8,10,1 Oa-hexahydro-9Hdibenzo[b,d]pyran-9-one, 5 mL. of acetic anhydride, and 5 mL. of pyridine was stirred under an inert atmosphere for 16 hours. The mixture was then poured onto ice and extracted with ethyl acetate. The ethyl acetate extract was washed with 1 N HCI and saturated sodium chloride solution, dried over anhydrous sodium sulfate and evaporated in vacuo to give 450 mg. of dl-trans-1-acetoxy-3-(1',1 '-dimethylheptyl)-6,6-dimethyl-6,6a, 7 ,8,10,1 Oa-hexahydro-9H -dibenzo-[b,d]pyran-9-one as a viscous oil: Rf =0.33(Silica gel, 10% Ethyl acetate:benzene): IR (CHCI3) 5.62, 5.80, and 8.28 mu; molecular ion at m/e 414.
As previously mentioned, compounds represented by Formula IV above have the ability to produce bronchodilitation in humans and can alleviate bronchial asthma in man. Bronchial asthma, including both extrinsic or allergic asthma and intrinsic or infective asthma, is characterized by recurrent paroxysms of dyspnea associated with a characteristic type of wheezing caused by obstruction of the flow of air in the smaller bronchi and bronchioles. In more severe attacks, trapping of air in the alveoli may occur, completely obstructing the airways, which event may result in death. Drugs represented by Formula IV above appear to act to alleviate asthmatic symptoms by relaxing bronchial smooth muscle thereby increasing the passage of air from the lung. They may also act, in part, by a central mechanism relieving anxiety, a major companent of this disease. Source: Archer 1978; Johnson 1980

A portion (23 .0 g) of the hexane extract was subjected to fractional distillation under reduced pressure (vacuum, 0.1-0.2 mmIHg). The temperature was raised slowly to 160° C. where a small amount of material (<1 g) was collected and left separate. The major fraction (10.1 g) was collected between 170 and 180 ° C. GC analysis of this fraction showed 72.66% THC concentration.
A second portion (25.0 g) of the hexane extract was subjected to fractional distillation under similar conditions as the first portion. The major fraction collected between 170-180° C. weighed ll.6 g and had a THC concentration of 73.62%.
A third portion (25.0 g) of the hexane extract was subjected to fractional distillation under similar conditions to the previous portions. The major fraction containing THC weighed 10.2 g and had a THC concentration of 73.72%.
The three major fractions obtained from the above three distillations were combined and analyzed. The analysis showed the concentration of THC to be 70.31 %. The mixture (28.9 g) was subjected to fractional distillation, again under similar conditions. The temperature was raised slowly to 135 ° C. under vacuum (0.1-0.15 mmHg) and the fractions collected were kept aside. The major THC containing fraction was collected at 140-160° C. and 0.05-0.06 mmIHg. The fraction weight was 18.4 g and the THC content was 92.15%. Source: Elsohly 2002

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/future_synthetic/future_synthetic.shtml

Given the world wide ready availability of marijuana, it is somewhat difficult to produce a viable argument for making CsA's of cannabinoids. However, ten years ago (197 an attempt to produce CsA's from cannabis extracts was encountered in the Jacksonville, Florida area. In this case a concentrated extract of cannabis had been obtained by a soxhlet extraction. The extract had been acetylated with acetic anhydride, and in the final step, the excess acetic anhydride removed by distillation (reference is unretrievable due to its appearance in an underground periodical). The product contained neither quantities of nonderivatized cannabinoid nor any identifiable plant fragments. Since this single instance, no acetalaced cannabinoid samples have been reported by a DEA laboratory. Therefore, this instance is assumed to represent an isolated occurrence and as such, will serve to terminate our discussion of cannabinoid CsA's.

edit: If anyone could get their hands on this article I'd appreciate a copy.
Valentine MD. &#916;-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol acetate from acetylation of cannabis oil. Science and Justice 1995; 36(3):195–197.

 

[Finshaggy]

Thank you. When I asked to be corrected this is EXACTLY what I was looking for. A correction, reasons for the correction. AND the actual method of achieving something similar to what I read about. Not the Jabs some of you have been taking at a procedure that I clearly labeled as "Not mine", (I put a citation as best I could). Or corrections on acetone which is argued about on a regular basis due to OPINION.

 

[Cali chronic]

Becareful.... Here is a Youtube i got from an earlier post in another area. IF you are not sure who Rick Simpson is Google him with the word Cannabis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZXGH6mYr3Y

 

[Finshaggy]

Becareful.... Here is a Youtube i got from an earlier post in another area. IF you are not sure who Rick Simpson is Google him with the word Cannabis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZXGH6mYr3Y

It's NOT pure pure THC oil. It's 99%<. And now that I have been corrected by the guy above you. I will edit that statement and say, 99%< Alkaloid extraction: After acetone/alcohol extration, and Ptroleum ether seperation, and evaporation. AND ALL CHEMICALS EVAPORATE TO NONEXISTANCE, if you get them pure. It IS SAFE.

 

[ddimebag]

I have some background in organic chemistry. Pouring acetone on your hands and letting it evaporate is dangerous. Don't do it anymore. Acetone is poisonous, no matter what you seem to think, and permeates through the skin very easily. It's fine to use for extractions as long as you are sure it is pure (get lab grade or at least pharmacy grade) and as long as you evaporate ALL OF IT! (or decant, like you do, just make sure you take a little bit of the ether layer with it, so you are sure all the acetone is gone.) Once you have your extract as pure as you want it, it would be a good idea to vacuum dry it, to get rid of any remaining solvent.

I think the best bet for you is butane hash oil, that you can isomerise if you want. Don't have the time to explain it step by step, but you can just look that up or pm me. BHO is already concentrated enough to blow your mind...if you isomerise that, then you should have some crazy potent smoke...

 

[Finshaggy]

I have some background in organic chemistry. Pouring acetone on your hands and letting it evaporate is dangerous. Don't do it anymore. Acetone is poisonous, no matter what you seem to think, and permeates through the skin very easily. It's fine to use for extractions as long as you are sure it is pure (get lab grade or at least pharmacy grade) and as long as you evaporate ALL OF IT! (or decant, like you do, just make sure you take a little bit of the ether layer with it, so you are sure all the acetone is gone.) Once you have your extract as pure as you want it, it would be a good idea to vacuum dry it, to get rid of any remaining solvent.

I think the best bet for you is butane hash oil, that you can isomerise if you want. Don't have the time to explain it step by step, but you can just look that up or pm me. BHO is already concentrated enough to blow your mind...if you isomerise that, then you should have some crazy potent smoke...

I make sure it's pure, and I evaporate all of it.


OUr body make absorb acetone through the skin in small amounts, but it has a good system of getting rid of acetone.
Our bodies can sweat it, piss it, and breathe it out, at a pretty quick rate.
Quicker than it can absorbed into a little patch on your arm

 

[ddimebag]

I make sure it's pure, and I evaporate all of it.


OUr body make absorb acetone through the skin in small amounts, but it has a good system of getting rid of acetone.
Our bodies can sweat it, piss it, and breathe it out, at a pretty quick rate.
Quicker than it can absorbed into a little patch on your arm

Yes, our bodies have a system to get rid of acetone... VERY SMALL AMOUNTS of acetone! I think you underestimate the rate of absorption by the skin. If you keep spilling acetone on yourself, you WILL get sick. Not someday, years from now. Soon! Acetone is a neurotoxin. It's effects are cumulative. You might not feel any different after your first or fifth acetone shower, but pretty soon you will notice...vision defects, memory impairment, involuntary twitches, epilepsy, mental retardation, even dementia... Remember, the damage is CUMULATIVE and in most cases PERMANENT.

You don't have to believe me, but I just don't want other people to think it's safe, you know? Otherwise, pretty soon some noob will end up in the hospital...or dead...because he didn't know any better.

When working with acetone (or any other solvent) always wear gloves and work in a well ventilated area. Safety goggles and a labcoat would be nice too...


from an MSDS on Acetone:

Routes of Entry: Absorbed through skin. Dermal contact. Eye contact. Inhalation.

DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Classified Reproductive system/toxin/female,
Reproductive system/toxin/male [SUSPECTED]. The substance is toxic to central nervous system (CNS). The substance may
be toxic to kidneys, the reproductive system, liver, skin. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target
organs damage.

 

[ddimebag]

having said that, there are plenty of scarier solvents out there...better use acetone than benzene...my point is be careful with it, know what you are doing.

 

[oilmkr420]

I have some background in organic chemistry. Pouring acetone on your hands and letting it evaporate is dangerous. Don't do it anymore. Acetone is poisonous, no matter what you seem to think, and permeates through the skin very easily. It's fine to use for extractions as long as you are sure it is pure (get lab grade or at least pharmacy grade) and as long as you evaporate ALL OF IT! (or decant, like you do, just make sure you take a little bit of the ether layer with it, so you are sure all the acetone is gone.) Once you have your extract as pure as you want it, it would be a good idea to vacuum dry it, to get rid of any remaining solvent.

I think the best bet for you is butane hash oil, that you can isomerise if you want. Don't have the time to explain it step by step, but you can just look that up or pm me. BHO is already concentrated enough to blow your mind...if you isomerise that, then you should have some crazy potent smoke...

i beg to differ. bsho is imposterous to honey oil. it was done to acheive a near product, but isnt anywhere close to it. co2 honey oil is so fresh and clean and easy, its surprising to me not many others seek it how i did. so im trying to bring this lost art back, replacing the now common knowledge with a non-toxic way with no inherit taste unlike butanes narrow spectrum range for extracting cannabinoids. co2 is a more complete oil vs butanes extract only like adding tar to your joints. butanes nasty from crude oil. co2 isnt nasty its like extracting w your breath. green dragon!!