Which ratio Advanced Nuitrients 'Hammer-Head' 9/18, 4/10 or 4/8 ???

Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Harrekin said:
UncleBen please don't ignore the fact I posted the picture of the Guaranteed Analysis on the bottle and divert talking about some old soiltabs.

Thanks.
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My points:

1. Thanks for sharing the label, but that is not what I asked for. Most (if not all) of Dutch and Euro companies do not disclose their products' GA, which is what I requested - a link. (Seems like I'm not the only one having trouble finding out what's in the foods) --> https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/150004-plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-solutions-76.html

2. Passing off something that is detrimental to plant health for the sake of profits is disgusting.

If Canna is working for you and you feel it is a fair value, fine, knock yourself out.

Speaking of diversions, you mentioned that canna doesn't include Ca because water sources contain Ca. If that's their premise (not yours), again, they're full of shit. All water sources differ and if the water source does contain Ca it may not be in a form the plant can uptake. Again, I wonder if these snake oil manufacturers care about what they're selling, as long as their hype and pimping draws folks in.

Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro and Bloom contains Ca, one of the most required elements behind N, K, and P. Many consider Ca a macro, plants require lots of it. "Calcium, an essential part of plant cell wall structure, provides for normal transport and retention of other elements as well as strength in the plant." Here's a comparison of different foods sold in America. Note that Ca is 2.0% in their foods - http://www.dyna-gro.com/Website%20pdf%20Files/Foliage-Pro%20Sht%202011.pdf

As I've said in the past, that food is so complete I consider it best for hydro and soil-less culture. Foods like Peters take into account that soil contains many essential elements.
 
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watchhowIdoit

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Ignoring basic botany and plant health for magic potions and marketing hype. Oh how the foolish and gullible line the pockets of the cannabis specific nutrient makers...
 
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Mr.Grønn

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Uncle Ben said:
Just a thought, canna does NOT include Ca in their snake oils because they want to increase their profit margins with a Ca additive or supplement. That's how this tawdry game is played.

EDIT - Ah hah, I knew it! A frickin' additive!!!!!!! https://www.growsense.co.uk/nutrients/brands/canna/canna-additive-ca-15-calcium-1-litre.html :mrgreen:
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You know, I agree fully with your crusade against snakeoils.
But that's all.

You pop up in all kind of threads with the same message again and again, when people only want to discuss some cannabis-spesific product.
We get it.

What about making a big thread about that issue ONLY.
Then you can simply LINK to it, instead of irritating the shit out of people who uses these products - or simply want to discuss some of them.

You still would get your message through.

/end pre-coffee rant
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Mr.Grønn;6327374 said:
You know, I agree fully with your crusade against snakeoils.
But that's all.

You pop up in all kind of threads with the same message again and again, when people only want to discuss some cannabis-spesific product.
We get it.

What about making a big thread about that issue ONLY.
Then you can simply LINK to it, instead of irritating the shit out of people who uses these products - or simply want to discuss some of them.

You still would get your message through.

/end pre-coffee rant
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suffer.......

If people would take the time and energy that they spend searching out miracle products and just learn plant nutrition, then they wouldn't be asking questions about some "cannabis specific product". And for the record, there is NO such thing as "cannabis specific". It's all in your mind.

The gentleman who started this thread has just pissed off enough money on crap to pay off my mortgage and this is the results: https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/320402-stelthys-600w-hps-project-new-61.html

And what's really ironical is after failing he's still looking for that one product that will save his plants!

Uncle Ben
 
stelthy

stelthy

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Uncle Ben said:
suffer.......

If people would take the time and energy that they spend searching out miracle products and just learn plant nutrition, then they wouldn't be asking questions about some "cannabis specific product". And for the record, there is NO such thing as "cannabis specific". It's all in your mind.

The gentleman who started this thread has just pissed off enough money on crap to pay off my mortgage and this is the results: https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/320402-stelthys-600w-hps-project-new-61.html
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Lol, .... all I really wanted to know is will a PK solution be ok to use all throughout Flowering..?? and Which variation of the Hammerhead PK is best to use to avoid burning and to still give the plant/s what they require..

I openly confess I have spent at least £1000.00 more than I may have needed to, but its a hobby and I've wasted more money on worse things. Plus I will and can still use all the nuits I have regardless of their make/hype/cost etc...

I have used the biggest space I have available and I am happy with what I have achieved, the way the cab is set up at the moment is pretty much how it will be staying now! The only new additions will be replacement nuits when I run low/out and general equipment due to wear n tear :)

I am happy to say I have managed to break even, despite the large amount it has cost me to build it, and so everything as of this grow is profit :)

I like to experiment with alot of nuits and lighting so I have better knowledge...Everyone starts somewhere and this is how I've approached it. Its a learning curve and with a little practice I should end up with perfect results for the scale setup I have.

Anyhow like I said this thread was for me to find out about PK, applying, concentration, etc etc

As far as asking questions... Thats how people learn :) I found a product that I heard was good.. its been rep'd highly so why not buy it...its better than buying some completly unknown shit off the shelf at a local Garden Center and have no idea how it will effect the plant/s in question.

The way I look at it is, It's better to have too much than too little, and it means less trips to the Grow-Shop for the next year or so :) :)

My point is I am happy with what I've done/ achieved so far so, so I am not bothered about cost, and am still keen to learn :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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stelthy said:
Lol, .... all I really wanted to know is will a PK solution be ok to use all throughout Flowering..?? and Which variation of the Hammerhead PK is best to use to avoid burning and to still give the plant/s what they require..
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Looks like to me you've got a leaf loss issue, eh, and you want to give them PK which will further exacerbate the problem? The question you should be asking is "will this food produce/support healthy leaf production and maintenance?" You don't get buds out of a bottle. You get buds from a lot of foliage mass and a robust root system.

What is the NPK values of your foods, what is the plant actually "seeing"? Learn plant nutrition and learn to read your plants. Asking questions in a forum such as this with so many variables is like asking 20 shoe repairmen if they can fix your computer.

I openly confess I have spent at least £1000.00 more than I may have needed to, but its a hobby and I've wasted more money on worse things. Plus I will and can still use all the nuits I have regardless of their make/hype/cost etc...
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You "heard was good?" Hope you find the one that works. Experimenting with nutes is like playing Russian Roulette. You're throwing so much stuff at them that you've created a condition of nutrient disorders. Here's the concept - http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm

Your plants are stressed due to improper use of nutes and mis-applied plant culture. There is no easy way out, learn what makes a plant tick.

UB
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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I missed the part of the Canna bottle that states "Designed for use in an aerated and calciferous soil".

Guess that explains the lacking Calcium part...care to say anything now?

Also did you see my plants I posted on the last page? Not exactly too shabby,3 foot tall and perfectly green...it's a terrible snake oil I'm using,it obviously doesn't work at all ;)
 
stelthy

stelthy

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Uncle Ben said:
Looks like to me you've got a leaf loss issue, eh, and you want to give them PK which will further exacerbate the problem? The question you should be asking is "will this food produce/support healthy leaf production and maintenance?" You don't get buds out of a bottle. You get buds from a lot of foliage mass and a robust root system.

What is the NPK values of your foods, what is the plant actually "seeing"? Learn plant nutrition and learn to read your plants. Asking questions in a forum such as this with so many variables is like asking 20 shoe repairmen if they can fix your computer.

You "heard was good?" Hope you find the one that works. Experimenting with nutes is like playing Russian Roulette. You're throwing so much stuff at them that you've created a condition of nutrient disorders. Here's the concept - http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm

Your plants are stressed due to improper use of nutes and mis-applied plant culture. There is no easy way out, learn what makes a plant tick.

UB
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I am aware that both genetics and environment are as important, if not more important than nuitrients, I dont have a leaf problem? I trimmed most of the leaves off from under the screen to allow for better air-flow inside the cab and am concentrating on filling the SCROG screen for now.. and my root system is huge and white :)

I am unsure when it comes to N-P-K values.. I mean I know what it stands for etc.. but how do I get the total N-P-K of all the nuits I am using at once ??

I agree with you that asking questions on RIU is sure to spark a few mixed answers, but at least I can then take an educated guess and take the useful information at my own risk :)

I have to ask "What nuits do you use ??" why do you use the ones you use ?? and would you say you are using the best nuits for the job ?





My plant doesn't seem to be stressed at all :) its vivid green and growing fast !!!, my last grow was a different situation entirely.. I fucked up the PH and burn't the shit out of all the foliage, and the fan leaves died and fell off..

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This time I've had no bad luck at all, and hope to keep it that way :) All I can say is I've listened to what you have to say, although you didn't really answer my original questions.. I have taken on board that fancy nuits dont make fancy plants! I just want to get the best from my plant/s with the nuits I have.

I have decided to try giving my Royal Haze Hammerhead PK as an extra additive all through-out flower purely as an experiment to see what actually will happen?! and I've also decided to use the Hammerhead PK 9/18... but at half strength.. I'll report the outcome as I go...

What PK supplement do you use, and how long for ? - STELTHY :leaf:
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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stelthy said:
Thanks again :) - STELTHY :leaf:
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You should only need to use it for a week or two max, after the stretch but before they start bulking up, around weeks 4 and 5 (on an 8 week strain).

Theres no need for the extra PK all the way throughout flowering, only during "peak flowering".

Remember the PK doesnt give you extra bud, but it gives your plants what they potentially need to grow more bud as long as you have LOTS of healthy green leaves and lots of light.

But never sacrifice your leaves for PK boosters, all you're really trying to do is change the NPK ratios temporarily when the plant needs it most and only when it needs it most.

Hope this helps...

(Expecting flaming from Uncle Ben now, but Iv never lost any leaves from a PK booster)
 
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watchhowIdoit

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P and K are overlooked when it comes to seedlings/first couple of weeks from seed and later abused wildly when it comes to flowering. If you want to really learn how to grow say goodbye to RIU for awhile and join some actual gardening forums. Way less myth and much more fact from gardeners that have spent a lifetime growing.....
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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I aint been stumbling through shit, my grows are ace for the space I use. So dont be so quick to think you're "uber-1337" and talk other people down.

Another UB ass kisser...you dont have to agree with EVERYTHING he says man.
 
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