seeds

[29menace]

right guys n gals i have a lil dilema and need some advice...

all my superskun from nirvahna have seeds but nothing else in the flowering room has seeds..???

i have looked closely at every plant in the grow room and havnt seen a single male pod,, i know this doesnt rule out a possible hermie but am i right in thinkin that if pollen entered a 3ft x 3ft x 6ft grow tent that everything or every plant would have seeds...????

the superskunk are right in the middle with 6 other plants surrounding them so i dnt understand why there isnt any signs of pollination on the others.???

any info and help will be appreciated ,,, thanx..

 

[29menace]

i believe if it was random pollination from past hermies then all the seeds would be the same size but there are sum big ones and alot of small ones ranging from 1-2 mm in diameter.

does the difference in sizes mean there must be either a hermie in the tent or just maybe the stray pollen i missed has maybe kicked up at diff times.?

 

[Kingrow1]

It was a slight hermie dude. Peace

 

[29menace]

the superskunk bean from nirvahna was feminised so am i also right in sayin that the hermie gene cudov been passed on ???

 

[29menace]

can you enlighten me on what a slight hermie is plz coz to me it either is a hermie or isnt..

 

[Kingrow1]

Ah dude people will tell you different things about hermies.

Dose one single male pollen sac on a 2lb yeilding plant make it a hermie??

Little bit more complicated than just hermie or not. Peace

 

[29menace]

i appreciate your time n info kindgrow , i guess it wudnt be classed as a hermie in that case,,,, in my case with the seeds being of diff sizes and nothing else in the tent having seeds im confused at to why its only the superskunks that have been pollinated... if pollen was to enter the growroom the pollen wud be affecting all the plants,,, would it not.???

 

[29menace]

am i risking everything by keeping them going.?? as none of the others are affected i think i might..
what is very strange is i have a hustlas widow right inbetween 3 superskunks , the other 2 supers are on the opposite side and the hustlas widow has no seeds or signs of pollination...

 

[Kingrow1]

Yer it probably was male pollen of the superskunk, pollen will drop to lower branches and spread around the area where it emerges, if you got seeds now it probably pollinated a while back.

If there was outside pollination there is always the chance that it wont be compatible with all the plants but this would be rare so i wouldnt like to bring it up, different strains are harder or easier to pollinate with others depending on how closely there related but still some pollination should occur so for just one plant to be fertilizer id say the pollen came from somewhere more localised like the plant itself.

I think all plants have the ability to hermie to some small extent, feminised being even more prone and certain strains are more resistant than others. Seed breeders consider a slight herm in late flowering no big deal.

My info is sketchy though but for me it definatly says that plant made a male flower or two and pollinated itself.

Found any male flowers on the plant yet?? Peace

 

[echlectica]

My experience with hermies is that when the whole plant is seeded its completely hermaphroditic through and throgh the seed the mom was grown from were hermie and the offspring will be hermie. This happens a lot with feminized seeds. On the otherhand I have had the occasional male flower pop out on the bottom of an otherwise normal female aNd pollinate a few adjacent flowers. Those seeds will be either female of hermie. Depending on the landraces that the hybrid was breed from, you can get all females or 2 females and 2 hermies. or all hermies. Its been a long time since I did a punnet square so thats all I can tell you.

To "feminize" seeds the breeders treat them with a mutagenic compound called Colchisine. Very nasty stuff. femanized seeds are a gimick that cause people all kinds of problems. Full of mutations. Do not buy feminised seeds they are not worth it.

 

[Kingrow1]

am i risking everything by keeping them going.?? as none of the others are affected i think i might..
what is very strange is i have a hustlas widow right inbetween 3 superskunks , the other 2 supers are on the opposite side and the hustlas widow has no seeds or signs of pollination...

Makes it possible to be outside pollination as well. Some seeds arent a big deal but lots and lots is gona get annoying. Peace

 

[Kingrow1]

My experience with hermies is that when the whole plant is seeded its completely hermaphroditic through and throgh the seed the mom was grown from were hermie and the offspring will be hermie. This happens a lot with feminized seeds. On the otherhand I have had the occasional male flower pop out on the bottom of an otherwise normal female aNd pollinate a few adjacent flowers. Those seeds will be either female of hermie. Depending on the landraces that the hybrid was breed from, you can get all females or 2 females and 2 hermies. or all hermies. Its been a long time since I did a punnet square so thats all I can tell you.

Fem plants dont come from hermie plants or genetics normally, Soma makes feminised plants by going past the harvest stage because most plants here are reported to show some male flowers on an altogether female plant as you have also described. Peace

 

[29menace]

i havnt seen any sacs on any of the plants m8 but will have another look 2moro when the lights back on.. ive taken clones from all these plants and im wondering if you think i shud get rid of them,,, thats if the pollen came from themselfs.????

 

[urgod]

if u got no males and u got seeds. you got a hermie. probably stress related herms since true herms are very rare. if i were you i'd cut off the plant with the banana flowers. but when u do see the banana flowers its already too late.

 

[nog]

can you get transvestite plants???

 

[resinousflowers]

Dose one single male pollen sac on a 2lb yeilding plant make it a hermie??

any plant with male and female parts is a herm.it doesnt matter if its 1 sac or 100.
anyway sometimes what happens is because the sac is deep inside the bud when it releases its pollen its unable to travel to other plants and so it just pollinates the closest bud.

 

[resinousflowers]

To "feminize" seeds the breeders treat them with a mutagenic compound called Colchisine.

many breeders just use colloidal silver now.
and fem seeds are great,so i dont know what your talking about.ive grown plenty and only ever had 1 herm.ive had more from regs.

 

[Kingrow1]

any plant with male and female parts is a herm.it doesnt matter if its 1 sac or 100.
anyway sometimes what happens is because the sac is deep inside the bud when it releases its pollen its unable to travel to other plants and so it just pollinates the closest bud.

This would mean that most weed is a hermie strain then dude.

Soma realised that letting buds go well past harvest produced the kind of stress that made male pollen sacs on a female plant. He did this to non hermie strains and got a male flower.

To say that one single male flower makes the plant a hermie is a bit too much for me, damn even subcool sees a slight herm in his strains at end of flowering, go call his plants hermies and im sure he wont be impressed.

And all plants contain the male and female genes, hell even you contain all the genes needed to build a female human too. Plants showing this are not necessarialy genetic hermies but is because we contain both male and female genes and enough stress cause the male gene to activate in some way in marijuana.

I find this statement quite false but as yet no one has defined a hermie plant other than those that are more prone to constant sex reversal. I do not have the genetic data to back it up but seems this topic is wide open for debate and no right or wrong.

Weed naturally hermies in nature as in our grow rooms, all strains have the ability to hermie but some seem more prone to others.

One more question for you dude - Show me a strain that when breed and breed and breed within that same genetics dosent hermie??

Even the most hermie resistant strains can produce offspring with a male flower on a totally female plant, now are you calling the whole strain a hermie strain cause one offspring showed one male flower and theres no where else it got its hermie genetics from!

No i dont like your simplified answer but in no way am i disputing it, as yet no one has defined what a true hermie is! Damn bro i got nipples so dose that make me a hermie??? Peace

 

[29menace]

lil update guys n gals...

found only 1 male sac on the superskunk that all the clones came from but if theres 1 then theres prob more....
havnt seen any sacs on the clones that are at the same stage in flower (almost 5wks) but there full of seeds on the lower branches..
also found 1 male sac on the hustlas widow so both hustlas and big superskunk were chopped dwn..

will keep checking the other 4 superskunk daily coz they only have jst over 2wks of flower left... its just amazed me that the lemonskunk from greenhouse seeds isnt or hasnt been pollinated because all others are full of seeds...

 

[Kingrow1]

any plant with male and female parts is a herm.it doesnt matter if its 1 sac or 100.
anyway sometimes what happens is because the sac is deep inside the bud when it releases its pollen its unable to travel to other plants and so it just pollinates the closest bud.

Well i ran a thread about hermies and it really supported what you said so guess you were right here.

lil update guys n gals...

found only 1 male sac on the superskunk that all the clones came from but if theres 1 then theres prob more....
havnt seen any sacs on the clones that are at the same stage in flower (almost 5wks) but there full of seeds on the lower branches..
also found 1 male sac on the hustlas widow so both hustlas and big superskunk were chopped dwn..

will keep checking the other 4 superskunk daily coz they only have jst over 2wks of flower left... its just amazed me that the lemonskunk from greenhouse seeds isnt or hasnt been pollinated because all others are full of seeds...

If just or mainly lower branches indoor it sounds more like you had a hermie and you even found one male pollen sac as well. Some hate hermies and some dont mind em but better conditions might stop the hermie characteristics showing is the best advice i can offer. I personally would not be bothered, i have made my own seeds this way and were ok but just dont breed em on as a rule of thumb, others have an insane hatred of hermies.

Seems like its more down to personal circumstances, the odd pollen sac probably makes few seeds and little difference in a small closet or indoor grow and easy to spot and remove futher reducing seed count but in a massive grow with a hundred plants where you cant check everyone and its very windy and well ventilated then a hermie charactristic could be a bad strain to grow and cost lots overall.

Peace