The 12-12 From Seed Thread

[supersillybilly]

here is mine 36 days in (5 weeks). ak48

One plant is bushy while the other is growing taller.

first picture is the taller one and the main cola that is growing on it. I feel there is about 6 weeks to go until finished. I hope they stretch a little more as they are that tall at all.

Great strain. Great looking plants. They will stretch, well mine did big time. The strain packs a punch

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Okay, you have "more than 10 oz's" how much is it exactly? How long did the entire process take? How much did you save on electricity? How much space did you really save? What makes this more efficent in ANY way than just vegging the plants? You seem to stand behind this whole 12-12 thing pretty confidently. Prove something to me haha. With 10 plants i can easily make 20-40 ozs...can your set-up + savings even compare to that? I am not bashing, I am genuinely interested.

If we both have the same size grow area same light ect then yes it possible to match yeild why wouldnt it. That lot were grown in about a square meter, you gonna fit 10 plants which have been vegged in that space?. Just because its 12/12 from seed dont mean you get shite yeilds. I am pretty confident that 12/12 from seed delivers otherwise i wouldnt do it. Use this method all the same strain in a SOG and its as good as vegging. If you can make 40 oz from vegging then good for you, what you doing on this thread?.

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Listen 12/12 from seed can produce the same as plants that have a 3 week veg. Its all about your conditions, space and lighting. It takes the plants about 3 weeks to start flowering. Del and Jimmy constantly produce 3oz+ per plant. Learn the 12/12 skills and you will produce great yields. 20 small plants are easier to manage than 8 massive fuckers. I know from experience. I will never grow trees again

Yes indeed, trees aint for me either.

 

[supersillybilly]

Unlike u Jimmy to get pissed.lol Anyway your right. Lots of small plants is better and easier that growing trees. For example i could grow 4 trees in a m2 and get 20 oz or I could grow 10 12/12 and get 30oz. Each to their own

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

here is mine 36 days in (5 weeks). ak48

One plant is bushy while the other is growing taller.

first picture is the taller one and the main cola that is growing on it. I feel there is about 6 weeks to go until finished. I hope they stretch a little more as they are that tall at all.

Looking sweet tick tack.

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Unlike u Jimmy to get pissed.lol Anyway your right. Lots of small plants is better and easier that growing trees. For example i could grow 4 trees in a m2 and get 20 oz or I could grow 10 12/12 and get 30oz. Each to their own

Haha billy, i aint had a smoke for 2 days man and this is what im like. Moody cunt.

 

[supersillybilly]

U needing that favour returned m8

 

[l8arrival]

are they all the same strain mate?...........

Out of the 8, 6 are bb blue cheese and 2 are big bud

3 of the cheese are perfect and 1 of the big bud

and also 3 of the cheese are messed as well as 1 of the big bud

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

U needing that favour returned m8

Gonna save that for when i really need it mate. Got one drying and should be ready in a few days. Ill tap you up man when im really in the shit lol. What you up too man, you got a grow on for xmas.

 

[supersillybilly]

It all came on top a bit Jimmy. Im flying straightish for a few months. Better safe than sorry. Thats been over 3 years constant with no dramas until recently

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Shit bruv, hope alls well man.... yeah better safe than sorry mate. Your doing the right thing tho, lay low for a while till the shits blown over. Stay safe billy.

 

[supersillybilly]

I know Im being looked into but its the game I play. Ive tightened things up with my other activities and put the grows on hold. Going to cost me a few quid but better that than a few years. All because of one fucking mouthpiece. Wanker. His time will come

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

You know what thats the first thing that came to mind.......it only takes one knob to screw things up. what a cunt. Your right tho rather take a hit in the pocket than do a stretch. If the clone fairy needs to visit when your ready she can (ive got her number lol) i hear shes gonna have some nice lemon skunk clones soon.

 

[brokenturtle3102]

Abrownn, there are different methods for different rooms. Electricity wise; it's 33% LESS electricity in your bill, since there is no veg, not just a little bit. As mentioned, there are other things that reduce your cost as well; nutrients, venting, less occupied room space. Also, what I have noticed with 12/12 seeds is that there is less leaf to bud ratio. The amount of trim You get from a 12/12 plant is much less percentage than that of a, as some refer to, 'monster trees'. This leads to more usable bud per square meter.

 

[Spuzzum]

I suppose its a good way to start a cycle if you have no flowering plants yet...but honestly i'm just looking for reasons why people do this. I'm really just interested in learning..i threw a few seeds in 12/12 under a 400 to test it out

I agree with abrownmn.. this kinda sounds lazy. I don't mean that to offend, so please don't take it that way, but the way I used to sog, was start the seeds in veg for about 4 or 5 internodes, then clone the tops. As soon as those are rooted, the "mothers/seedlings" go into flower. When the sex shows, I pull the male(s), then put the clones into flower as well.. minus any males. 1 or 2 weeks later, I take lower shoots from the clones for the next stage clones. This cycle continues until the mothers/seedlings are harvested, then continues again with more room for the clones. This crops out every 2 or 3 weeks, depending on strain and original flowering time dived by however many stages. 18+ grams per 24" cola/plant under a 250hps, in an 18" x 36" cab. Doing it this way, you eliminate the large veg area.. clones go into flower as soon as they've rooted. Same as doing 12-12 from seed, but the plant's more physically mature enough to produce the best that it can. Better than a seed from 12-12 could.

But, just my opinion...

Cheers

 

[brokenturtle3102]

Spuzzum, what you just said is multiple months in action. Many, many, many things can happen within those months that change how you do things. You say 12/12 is lazy, i say your method is too complicated. Simplicity done right can out-weigh complexity done poorly.

 

[abrownmn]

I agree with abrownmn.. this kinda sounds lazy. I don't mean that to offend, so please don't take it that way, but the way I used to sog, was start the seeds in veg for about 4 or 5 internodes, then clone the tops. As soon as those are rooted, the "mothers/seedlings" go into flower. When the sex shows, I pull the male(s), then put the clones into flower as well.. minus any males. 1 or 2 weeks later, I take lower shoots from the clones for the next stage clones. This cycle continues until the mothers/seedlings are harvested, then continues again with more room for the clones. This crops out every 2 or 3 weeks, depending on strain and original flowering time dived by however many stages. 18+ grams per 24" cola/plant under a 250hps, in an 18" x 36" cab. Doing it this way, you eliminate the large veg area.. clones go into flower as soon as they've rooted. Same as doing 12-12 from seed, but the plant's more physically mature enough to produce the best that it can. Better than a seed from 12-12 could.

But, just my opinion...

Cheers

Precisely, Just another way that utilizes basically the same reasoning for doing it, but better/more product.

I am not hating on anyone who does this, Growing tree is growing tree. I'm glad your doing it no matter what.

However, I would definitely encourage all of you to try some other growing methods to save money and space. ( If that really is your reasoning for doing this) There are plenty out there that look a lot more promising than this. Sure, a highly practiced 12-12 grower can consistently pull 3 oz's a plant...just like any really experienced grower can keep any other good plant short and pull twice that...All im saying is, I'm sure there's a better way to utilize most spaces than with a 12-12 set up. I could be proved very wrong, by the way, i am not trying to claim to be an expert in any way. Just looking at the method objectively, it has some big logical gaps that I just cant reason around.

 

[abrownmn]

Spuzzum, what you just said is multiple months in action. Many, many, many things can happen within those months that change how you do things. You say 12/12 is lazy, i say your method is too complicated. Simplicity done right can out-weigh complexity done poorly.

But can simplicity done perfectly even come close to comparing to complexity done perfectly? I think not.

When arguing something you cant put the two things on different levels and compare them LOL...obviously anything done "right" can out-do something done "poorly"....broken logic..

 

[Spuzzum]

Spuzzum, what you just said is multiple months in action. Many, many, many things can happen within those months that change how you do things. You say 12/12 is lazy, i say your method is too complicated. Simplicity done right can out-weigh complexity done poorly.

Months and months??? Only 2 or 4 more weeks than what you're doing right now from seed. And you get a crop every few weeks.. fresh . What.. can't clone?? It's pretty friggin' easy bud, c'mon...


cheers

 

[del66666]

Okay, so what your explaining is a SOG type set up from 12-12...but on a plant per plant basis i just dont see any REAL advantages of running from 12-12. 10 oz's from 11 plants in 75 days vs 20+oz's from 10 plants in 90 days? Twice the product for wan extra two weeks and electricity etc etc....besides space issues i guess im still not convinced at all. If someone could post any convincing figures that would make it easier...

where are you getting 10 oz from 11 plants........lets go with 2- 4 1/2 oz per plant........