Totally baked and wondering. . .

[Matt Rize]

Hey we actually studied this in the BIO department.
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/A/AbioticSynthesis.html

Heres the start of a lesson plan that addresses the OP question:

How the organic molecules that define life, e.g. amino acids, nucleotides, were created;
How these were assembled into macromolecules, e.g. proteins and nucleic acids, — a process requiring catalysts;
How these were able to reproduce themselves;
How these were assembled into a system delimited from its surroundings (i.e., a cell).
A number of theories address each of these problems.
Abiotic Synthesis of Organic Molecules

As for the first, three scenarios have been proposed: organic molecules
were synthesized from inorganic compounds in the atmosphere — the "primeval soup" theory;
rained down on earth from outer space;
were synthesized at hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor.

Where did the matter come from? There are hundreds of billions of stars out there. Life finds a way.

 

[beardo]

Can you make a single celled bacteria in a serile vaccume?

It was God everyone knows that, It could have come in on an astroid or something, but wherever that came from was created by God, so however you slice it it started with God, you cant create life from nothing only God can

Any answer to the question?
You can not create a single cell bacteria in a sterile vaccume
Your back to the chicken and the egg- Where did your life come from and how? Even within your theory of evolution, how could it begin? How are the elements created and how is the first cell formed?

sterile? once again, algae was created from single cell bacteria. when you trip hard on acid, you know the world breathes. Everything is alive. You are not better than the plant because you have a family and communicate, you are both living creatures. The egg came from a mutation of a mutation of a mutation of something that was some kind of bird millions or years prior, and an insect millions of years prior, and a copepod millions of years prior to that. The chicken came from billions of years of creatures evolving and using the nutrition available to generate tissue. Life started as a baron surface with melted meteors making up the oceans, moving in and out with the tides creating trenches and oceans, designing the map of the land that would be ever changing and eroding into the sea. The bacteria beneath the surface of the oceans would flourish, because it is very similar to the vacuum of space. The meteors could have contained trace-dna that jump started this or the process of erosion and elements reacting could agitate cells into bacteria into creating defense mechanisms, like brains, or the ability to allude danger. The large variety of species on Earth did not one day just appear, that is known.
[video=youtube;3m0YYy9lqqs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m0YYy9lqqs[/video]

I see you have no alternitive answer to God as the answer of the question

The theory of evolution does not treat of these questions. cn

That is correct

 

[Matt Rize]

I see you have no alternitive answer to God as the answer of the question

That is correct

I posted three alternatives to god.

 

[THENUMBER1022]

Existence will with time, that is my god.

 

[Matt Rize]

Heres one:

2. Molecules from outer space?

The Murchison Meteorite

Representative amino acids found in the Murchison meteorite. Six of the amino acids (blue) are found in all living things, but the others (yellow) are not normally found in living matter here on earth. The same amino acids are produced in discharge experiments like Miller's.
Glycine Glutamic acid
Alanine Isovaline
Valine Norvaline
Proline N-methylalanine
Aspartic acid N-ethylglycine This meteorite, that fell near Murchison, Australia on 28 September 1969, turned out to contain a variety of organic molecules including:
purines and pyrimidines
polyols — compounds with hydroxyl groups on a backbone of 3 to 6 carbons such as glycerol and glyceric acid. Sugars are polyols.
the amino acids listed in this table. The amino acids and their relative proportions were quite similar to the products formed in Miller's experiments.
The question is: were these molecules simply terrestrial contaminants that got into the meteorite after it fell to earth?

Probably not:
Some of the samples were collected on the same day it fell and subsequently handled with great care to avoid contamination.
The polyols contained the isotopes carbon-13 and hydrogen-2 (deuterium) in greater amounts than found here on earth.
The samples lacked certain amino acids that are found in all earthly proteins.
Only L amino acids occur in earthly proteins, but the amino acids in the meteorite contain both D and L forms (although L forms were slightly more prevalent).

The ALH84001 meteorite

This meteorite arrived here from Mars. It contained a variety of organic molecules.

Furthermore, there is evidence that its interior never rose about 40° C during its fiery trip through the earth's atmosphere. Live bacteria could easily survive such a trip.

Link to a discussion of the possibility of life on Mars and more on the ALH84001 meteorite.
Organic molecules in interstellar space

Astronomers, using infrared spectroscopy, have identified a variety of organic molecules in interstellar space, including
methane (CH4),
methanol (CH3OH),
formaldehyde (HCHO),
cyanoacetylene (HC3N) (which in spark-discharge experiments is a precursor to the pyrimidine cytosine).
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
as well as such inorganic building blocks as carbon dioxide (CO2), carbon monoxide (CO), ammonia (NH3), hydrogen sulfide (H2S), and hydrogen cyanide (HCN).
Laboratory Synthesis of Organic Molecules Under Conditions Mimicking Outer Space

There have been several reports of producing amino acids and other organic molecules by taking a mixture of molecules known to be present in interstellar space such as:
ammonia (NH3)
carbon monoxide (CO)
methanol (CH3OH) and
water (H2O)
hydrogen cyanide (HCN)
and exposing it to
a temperature close to that of space (near absolute zero)
intense ultraviolet (uv) radiation.
Whether or not the molecules that formed terrestrial life arrived here from space, there is little doubt that organic matter continuously rains down on the earth (estimated at 30 tons per day).

 

[beardo]

I posted three alternatives to god.

I'm going all the way to sterile vaccume-
Where did elements come from? Where did space and ammino acids and carbon come from, it started somewhere, weather it's adam and eve a chicken and an egg or a metior with a bacteria or a swamp that got hit by lightning somewhere something had to start it

 

[Matt Rize]

i'm led to believe it all comes from the big bang, at least in our galaxy. everything that is, was once part of the same celestial being, that is the "all one" thought at least. what was before the bang? we will never know. some questions are unanswerable. we are simply self aware monkeys trying to make sense of it all.

 

[beardo]

i'm led to believe it all comes from the big bang, at least in our galaxy. everything that is, was once part of the same celestial being, that is the "all one" thought at least. what was before the bang? we will never know. some questions are unanswerable. we are simply self aware monkeys trying to make sense of it all.

Whatever went bang in the big bang had to have come from somewhere, had to have been created
Maybe the big bang was God busting a nut....giving birth to the universe

 

[cannabineer]

I'm going all the way to sterile vaccume-
Where did elements come from? Where did space and ammino acids and carbon come from, it started somewhere, weather it's adam and eve a chicken and an egg or a metior with a bacteria or a swamp that got hit by lightning somewhere something had to start it

Elements - hydrogen and helium (and a smidge of lithium) are primordial ... from the Big Bang. Heavier elements (called "metals" by astrophysicists, in distinction to terrestrial chemists) are supernova ashes. Simple space molecules, such as radio astronomers find in "cold molecular clouds" are ordinary dead chemistry at work.

Going from meteorite/molecular cloud/Miller-Urey type molecules to a living cell ... that remains one of the keenest mysteries on the plate of scientific inquiry. cn

 

[Matt Rize]

here's the real use of autotune.
we are all made of star stuff.
we are all connected. to each other biologically. to the earth chemically. to the rest of the earth atomically.
[video=youtube;XGK84Poeynk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk[/video]

the beauty of a living thing is not the atoms that go into it, but the way those atoms are put together. one love

to answer the questions asked we have to get into quantum theory, which is quite bizzare.

more auto-tuned science.
[video=youtube;DZGINaRUEkU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGINaRUEkU[/video]

auto tuning stephen hawking seems little overkill... idk.

 

[MJstudent]

I was thinking about the theory of evolution and I was wondering--does the theory begin with one cell spontaneously coming to life? And if so, is there an explanation as to why or how that one cell came to life? I get the part about the monkeys but what I want to know is: What caused that first cell to live? How did it come into being?

water. if it wernt for water theyre would be no ability for any growth to have ever occured on earth.

 

[Matt Rize]

This one is called "how did the universe start"
[video=youtube;1HBkZPyfpdE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HBkZPyfpdE[/video]
stephen hawking, what a hero.

"we are all eavesdropping on the birth of the universe." degrassi

 

[beardo]

[youtube]zSgiXGELjbc[/youtube]

 

[potpimp]

single celled bacteria that are created from decaying elements started behaving like plant matter, which eventually evolved to plants, and then fish, and then land creatures. When these cell structures started breathing air...thats when the shit hit the fan.

She asked when life started. Bacteria is alive. Elements do not decay (Law of Conservation of Mass). Bacteria "started behaving like pant matter"??? Really? Did you even have a basic science class in your life? Seriously, you should just keep you comments to yourself and let smart people answer questions like this.

 

[potpimp]

for the first hundred million years or so, the organisms only operated on photosynthesis, and created waves of oxygen, which created our atmosphere. Nothing could survive on Earth without an atmosphere..

Yeah, anything could happen in a few hundred million years, right? Wrong. Only plants "operate" on photosynthesis. Plants do not "create" oxygen; oxygen is an element and according to the Law of Conservation of Mass, an element can not be created or destroyed. Our atmosphere is a LOT more complex that you know.

 

[dam612]

Yeah, anything could happen in a few hundred million years, right? Wrong. Only plants "operate" on photosynthesis. Plants do not "create" oxygen; oxygen is an element and according to the Law of Conservation of Mass, an element can not be created or destroyed. Our atmosphere is a LOT more complex that you know.

he probably thinks that air is 100% oxygen too, instead of the 78% nitrogen that it is.

 

[cannabineer]

Whatever went bang in the big bang had to have come from somewhere, had to have been created
...

This is a seductive concept, but it's worth remembering (even if very difficult to visualize ... I recommend ketamine) that there was no "where" or "before", no spacetime at all until the Big ... Banged. It might have come from somenotwhere, but there simply is no way to examine that. It's not so much a limitation of science as it is a basic limitation of our 3 1/2-dimensionality. So the application of the term and idea "created" is an artifact of the way humans perceive and think about ... anything, really. Jmo. cn

 

[potpimp]

...those 'sea-monkeys' are actually just brine shrimp. they begin life as a microscopic 'egg' and evolve into this

an adult brine shrimp.

That is not evolution; that is growth. There is a difference.

 

[Psychedelic Breakfast]

Alchemy explains:

Water + Soil = Swamp

Air + Fire = Energy

Energy + Swamp = Life

Life + Fire = Fire Golem

Fire Golem + Water = Ash, Energy, and Steam

Hope that helps

 

[potpimp]

sterile? once again, algae was created from single cell bacteria. when you trip hard on acid, you know the world breathes. Everything is alive. You are not better than the plant because you have a family and communicate, you are both living creatures. The egg came from a mutation of a mutation of a mutation of something that was some kind of bird millions or years prior, and an insect millions of years prior, and a copepod millions of years prior to that. The chicken came from billions of years of creatures evolving and using the nutrition available to generate tissue. Life started as a baron surface with melted meteors making up the oceans, moving in and out with the tides creating trenches and oceans, designing the map of the land that would be ever changing and eroding into the sea. The bacteria beneath the surface of the oceans would flourish, because it is very similar to the vacuum of space. The meteors could have contained trace-dna that jump started this or the process of erosion and elements reacting could agitate cells into bacteria into creating defense mechanisms, like brains, or the ability to allude danger. The large variety of species on Earth did not one day just appear, that is known.
[video=youtube;3m0YYy9lqqs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m0YYy9lqqs[/video]

OMG, ...First of all, do you even have a clue as to how bacteria multiply? Do you know how algae multiplies? You act as if a bacteria can jump WAY up to a higher form of life just because it wants to. How does it change it's reproductivity from binary fision to cellular mitosis and how did it do that? How big of a brain does it take in order to do that? How does it even self realize itself? You're just making stuff up. Darwin later recanted on his theory of evolution. Evolution is impossible as implied in the First Law of Thermodynamics. "The universe is tending to disorder rather than order". Believing in the theory of evolution is like believing in the easter bunny or santa clause. It is saying you can take a handful of dirt, sand, a piece of iron, some brass, and a can of motor oil, bury it in the ground and come back in 100 million years, dig it up and there will be a Rolex watch there, set to the perfect time.