Jigfresh's Closet Flooded Tube Vert Scrog - 1000w
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Jozikins
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I love it up there, but I had no plans of trying to survive another winter up there, I love the snow... when I'm visiting, lol. That and getting to school/work in a timely manner was just impossible for me. But I'm way down man, sounds good, let me know when you start smoking again too, I'll make a trip out there just to blaze you out.
jigfresh
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Nothing wrong with running a 400... especially when you do so well with it. I haven't gotten over 11 onces twice in a row now, and I'm running a 1000w. Great job.
The 600 club really doesn't have anything to do with runing 600w. It's just a good time with good peeps. And of course good buds. Whatever suits you though.
hehe.. thanks. At least Mauler is giving me something to be proud of. I'm almost embarrassed with how my plant look right now. At least they'll give me a few ounces of dank. Can't complain about that.real nice mauler, and jig
Jozikins
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A 400w HPS is a very powerful lamp, some people don't give it enough credit, but I've seen over a pound coming out from under a single 400w lamp with just a cheap technaflora kit and a 2.5 x 3 ft scrog. I love growing with my 600w HPS, but I often find myself going back to 400w for a cheap quick fix with excellent results, all depends on how much attention you give your plants. But I need a 1k just to efficiently fill a 4x4 veg room right now, I have 2 400w hanging in a 4x4 tent and the light foot print is 2.5 x 4 and is not cutting it.
jigfresh
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Wanna trade a 1000w for a 600 and a 400? I'd love two light sources for my two levels.
And I know what you mean about winter. The only way it's really doable for me is that I 'work' from home and so does wifey. Having to make it to school or work down the hill would not be easy, fun, or anything I would want to do.
Jozikins
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Yeah that's why I moved. If I wanted to avoid the PM I had to move to Crestline, and I like the area fine enough, but it's sooo damn smoggy my asthma can't handle it. It's not that I don't love the Bear Mountain, it's that I fucking HATE San Bernardino, so I would have to move up to Big Bear if I wanted to avoid going back down to SB, but then my PM and snow problem would be worse. Dirty fucking grimmey, disgusting, underhanded, fucked San Bernardino. I feel like if you do something really really really awesome in life, and the entire nation is trying to think of the best way to reward you, I think the ultimate reward would be the president handing you a torch to burn down San Bernardino with... The world would be better off without it. Fuckin' a', that's how much I hate SB.
Half my 600w ballasts are 600/400w switches from NexGen, so I would be getting the short end of the stick trading 2 290 dollar ballasts for 1 260 dollar ballast, but I do recommend you try 2 400's or 2 600's in your grow room, would be much more efficient, and would probably help get a more even yield through out the garden, and less heat stress, I'm sure when the buds start leaning into that lamp, even if they don't burn, they get hot. And remember the internal temp of those leaves is 10 to 15 degrees hotter than it is on the surface of the leaf
jigfresh
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So I'm getting the feeling you don't like San bernardino much? lol. I think it's a pit too, but don't have the strong feelings like you do. However, I've never lived there. I'm sure my opinion would change.
It was worth asking about the lights. Mine only cost me $115 new. Plus shipping. I got some cheap equipment, but it works, so it's all good. I'm thinking of getting one of those splitters for the 1k that will run 2- 600 bulbs. However it will cost $200 or so, and I'd rather take a plane trip with that money. So many places in the world to visit, and so many people to meet. Good thing we can just drive to eachother.
I'll keep you posted on my mj intake. And I will of course hold on to some banana for you.
It was worth asking about the lights. Mine only cost me $115 new. Plus shipping. I got some cheap equipment, but it works, so it's all good. I'm thinking of getting one of those splitters for the 1k that will run 2- 600 bulbs. However it will cost $200 or so, and I'd rather take a plane trip with that money. So many places in the world to visit, and so many people to meet. Good thing we can just drive to eachother.
I'll keep you posted on my mj intake. And I will of course hold on to some banana for you.
Jozikins
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I've never lived there, but after working there for a while I'd had it. I think it would be a worthwhile investment if you saw 3x or even 6x your money back in only 2 months. But I know how you feel, I'm young and restless, and I want to travel like a madman. I just wish I could find a job that requires me traveling a lot, I need to learn some new languages. Lol.
But you have no idea how much I appreciate you holding onto some Banana OG for me, it's really good medication and I love it. It's fucked up that me and my friends won a gold medal for that shit, and I'm not even allowed to get a clone
It's okay, I've been talking to some people and I may get some yet 
jigfresh
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I'm guessing it's a sealed room, with that big vent on the side with the A/C's blocked off, am I correct in that? I would get another fan like the one you have and put one under each light. How long are you vegging and/ or how big are you wanting them to get? The reason I ask is because I wonder what the root masses will look like. Is that 4" pipe or 6" pipe. I worry that you will clog the pipe with roots if they get too massive. That happened to me one grow and water was trickling out one of the holes because the roots were so big they filled nearly the entire pipe.
The 4 plants in the corners might not do that well, I've noticed in my setup they get a bit hidden by the plants on each side. No biggy, just don't put your best plants there. Another thing I think of is water temp. Make sure you keep it around 70 or below. What's the airpump do? And is that a heater?
I also think it's cool how it's lifted up. You can still rock some soil plants below. Is that the plan?
I think it looks great. Great work!!!
The 4 plants in the corners might not do that well, I've noticed in my setup they get a bit hidden by the plants on each side. No biggy, just don't put your best plants there. Another thing I think of is water temp. Make sure you keep it around 70 or below. What's the airpump do? And is that a heater?
I also think it's cool how it's lifted up. You can still rock some soil plants below. Is that the plan?
I think it looks great. Great work!!!
rzza
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thank jig, it is six inch and it the room is sealed. i only veg for a week or two after roots, in bubble buckets, in another room then bring four into the flower room each week. im gonna put bubble buckets on the floor where you see the soil plants, im done with soil 100%. the reason i went with hovering pipe rather than building a table is because i have to crawl under it in order to get inside. im also putting a support beam or trellis of some type to perpetually scrog them but i havent figured that one out yet. i see already the problem with the four corners and i think ill sacrifice a few plants and keep those holes empty.
what do you mean "whats the air pump do"?i have two in there both cheapos and they are oxygenating the main rez.
heater yes cause my night temps get low. it just comes on when it hits 70.
thanks for the tips, this is all very new im not even trying to dial in yet still getting things situated.
what do you mean "whats the air pump do"?i have two in there both cheapos and they are oxygenating the main rez.
heater yes cause my night temps get low. it just comes on when it hits 70.
thanks for the tips, this is all very new im not even trying to dial in yet still getting things situated.
jigfresh
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I asked about the airpumps because I've found the waterfall in my setup to be enough oxygen... however, running more bubble can never hurt.
I was gonna suggest a scrog, but couldn't figure how to do it. With the 6" pipe you definitely wont have to worry about roots clogging it.
If it were my I would let it get as cold as possible at night to keep the water temps down, and get some wild color change on them. My room is consistantly at or below 65. Sometimes down to 55... brrrrrrr. I love having buckets below. Great deal.
I'm excited to see where this thing goes. Thanks for asking.
Oh, and just for curiosity sake, what wattage lights are those, and what size water pump do you have?
I was gonna suggest a scrog, but couldn't figure how to do it. With the 6" pipe you definitely wont have to worry about roots clogging it.
If it were my I would let it get as cold as possible at night to keep the water temps down, and get some wild color change on them. My room is consistantly at or below 65. Sometimes down to 55... brrrrrrr. I love having buckets below. Great deal.
I'm excited to see where this thing goes. Thanks for asking.
Oh, and just for curiosity sake, what wattage lights are those, and what size water pump do you have?
rzza
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its the 25 watt eco air. i also thought the bubbles from the water fall would be enough but im new to hydro and had to be sure so there are also three stones in there. i only use 6 gallons of water at any one time.
your temps are like that with lights on? caus eyou said always. or your referring to night temps?
two 1k hps. for the scrog i think imma hang a piece of steel mesh from the ceiling to only reach the middle or bottom of plants and on hinges so it can be moved if wanted. ill use 4 or 6 inch squares. you know the highway mesh .....
your temps are like that with lights on? caus eyou said always. or your referring to night temps?
two 1k hps. for the scrog i think imma hang a piece of steel mesh from the ceiling to only reach the middle or bottom of plants and on hinges so it can be moved if wanted. ill use 4 or 6 inch squares. you know the highway mesh .....
whodatnation
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Howdy Jig 
Hey rzza~ That room and set up looks spectacular. Id like to add my critique as well if ya dont mind?
First~ not very good having the main res and air pumps in the sealed room full of co2 because all your doing is pumping co2 into the water when you need o2 for the roots. Id put both the main res and air pumps outside the room. I think a waterfall is a great way to put o2 into the water but the air pumps are also key imo. I always opt for more air.
Second~ Id have some chains hanging the tubes up just to be more secure,,, the wire is probably fine but why risk your plants and system crashing down when you could just get some chain and heavy duty hooks for 20$... Worth it to me.
Other than that I think its a killer set-up and could easily be pushing out over 1gpw once dialed in I want one!!! Tip of the hat.
Also~ If going perpetual your gonna need a separate res for each group of plants growing... Dont want to be flushing one group while the other is in the middle of flower and vise versa... Buuuut you may have already planned this,,, Im just saying
Once again, Im jealous!
Hey rzza~ That room and set up looks spectacular. Id like to add my critique as well if ya dont mind?
First~ not very good having the main res and air pumps in the sealed room full of co2 because all your doing is pumping co2 into the water when you need o2 for the roots. Id put both the main res and air pumps outside the room. I think a waterfall is a great way to put o2 into the water but the air pumps are also key imo. I always opt for more air.
Second~ Id have some chains hanging the tubes up just to be more secure,,, the wire is probably fine but why risk your plants and system crashing down when you could just get some chain and heavy duty hooks for 20$... Worth it to me.
Other than that I think its a killer set-up and could easily be pushing out over 1gpw once dialed in
I want one!!! Tip of the hat.Also~ If going perpetual your gonna need a separate res for each group of plants growing... Dont want to be flushing one group while the other is in the middle of flower and vise versa... Buuuut you may have already planned this,,, Im just saying
Once again, Im jealous!
rzza
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jigfresh
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Good info whodat. Got any advice for my setup? Seems as if you think of everything.Howdy Jig
Hey rzza~ That room and set up looks spectacular. Id like to add my critique as well if ya dont mind?
First~ not very good having the main res and air pumps in the sealed room full of co2 because all your doing is pumping co2 into the water when you need o2 for the roots. Id put both the main res and air pumps outside the room. I think a waterfall is a great way to put o2 into the water but the air pumps are also key imo. I always opt for more air.
Second~ Id have some chains hanging the tubes up just to be more secure,,, the wire is probably fine but why risk your plants and system crashing down when you could just get some chain and heavy duty hooks for 20$... Worth it to me.
Other than that I think its a killer set-up and could easily be pushing out over 1gpw once dialed in
Also~ If going perpetual your gonna need a separate res for each group of plants growing... Dont want to be flushing one group while the other is in the middle of flower and vise versa... Buuuut you may have already planned this,,, Im just saying
Once again, Im jealous!
rzza
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hey man thanks for that!Howdy Jig
Hey rzza~ That room and set up looks spectacular. Id like to add my critique as well if ya dont mind?
First~ not very good having the main res and air pumps in the sealed room full of co2 because all your doing is pumping co2 into the water when you need o2 for the roots. Id put both the main res and air pumps outside the room. I think a waterfall is a great way to put o2 into the water but the air pumps are also key imo. I always opt for more air.
Second~ Id have some chains hanging the tubes up just to be more secure,,, the wire is probably fine but why risk your plants and system crashing down when you could just get some chain and heavy duty hooks for 20$... Worth it to me.
Other than that I think its a killer set-up and could easily be pushing out over 1gpw once dialed in
Also~ If going perpetual your gonna need a separate res for each group of plants growing... Dont want to be flushing one group while the other is in the middle of flower and vise versa... Buuuut you may have already planned this,,, Im just saying
Once again, Im jealous!
i found out the hard way about the co2 in the water and my first round of plants have already suffered and a tad on the second round, so i have shut off the co2 and will relocate the rez and air pump tomorrow.
for the seperate rez's, i battled this in my head for a long time i beat it to death and i decided two things....
1. i will grow 20 new strains together in this system with one nute regimen and the five or six that adapt best to the nute formula will become moms therefore only grwing strains that are happy in my system.
2. i will not flush however i will drown the plants in a seperate room in the dark in 5 gallon buckets (remember only 4 per week so should be simple) of water and no oxygen. i know a guy who knows a guy LOL and he swears by this and says the buds get much more solid among other benefits.
2a. i stopped flushing in soil anyhow after the first year and i swear i never noticed a differece...
got any tips on running co2 without controller, i may have my hands on a digital meter that will help me dial in 10 1500 with a timer ....until then how can i do it? anything? haha
once again, thanks and jig thanks for letting me post my shit up here.
jigfresh
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For sure bro. My thread is your thread. More info for me anyhow. I'm all about it.
whodatnation
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Sounds cool.
Did I miss a dehumidifier or do you not have one? I saw its at 33% but when that room fills up with plants they are going to transpire allot and you'll need it or risk getting bud rott/mold, pm... I might have missed it. But you'll most def need one for the "drowning" room, that sounds interesting btw. I keep my soil plants in darkness too, sometimes even for over a week until I get around to them.
Iv even left a few plants in darkness until they dried on the stalk still in dirt and all lol and ready for jars after a trim. I like it
.About the soil flushing too. It takes a tone of water to flush organics out of the soil and why would you want to the first place!?!?! lol. Not directed at you, just the crazy flush heads out there hah.
Co2 without controller,,,
Id get a 15 minute duration timer and adjust the the regulator... It would be difficult because as the plants get bigger they will use more so youd have to keep on adjusting but still never REALLY knowing the co2 ppms in the room...
Id say the room would be incomplete without a co2 monitor/controller... for sure.
Also, that 25lb tank isn't going to last long hehe
either get a 50lb tank or 2 smaller ones, one filled at all times ready for when the other goes out or even hook those 2 into 1 regulator. I run an 8x8x8, a 25lb tank gets used up about every week now. I have 2 tanks because of this.It could save some headaches in the future.
Did i miss anything? let me know.