Who are all these right wing bags of hate?

UncleBuck

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The OP is a complete idiot and a race baiter.
he is a race baiter, but far from a complete idiot.

You're delirious if you think more than 20% of your countrymen are with you on your views.
actually, that would be you.

you are the one that says to do away with '80 years of progressive bullshit, waaaaaaahhhhh waaah waaaaaahhhh!'

there is a reason why no one gets elected on the platform of "let's kill social security and medicare!", it is because that is an extremist idea of right wing partisan hacks like yourself and shared by an ever dwindling lunatic fringe of voters.

now, let's examine your claim that "less than 20% of your countrymen are with you on your views"...

DADT repeal: over 75% of americans support that
gay marriage: that just passed 50%
social security: supported overwhelmingly, even by young people! 90%, in fact. (http://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/info-08-2010/social_security_75th.html)
medicare: 90% or more satisfaction, which beats out satisfaction rates with private insurers (http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Medicare/2009/20090512-SenCitLikeMedicare.htm)
public option: favored by 77% of americans (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693)

so you see, not only is your statement false, it is COMPLETELY backwards.

on what planet do you spend most of your time?
 

RyanTheRhino

Well-Known Member
Where did they come from?
Have they always existed?
Or is this what happens when a black man gets voted in as President?
no it happens when a man tells a country he will change everything and make it better but fails to deliver...hmm who's campaign was on change again oh yea......


Obama
 

sync0s

Well-Known Member
there is a reason why no one gets elected on the platform of "let's kill social security and medicare!", it is because that is an extremist idea of right wing partisan hacks like yourself and shared by an ever dwindling lunatic fringe of voters.
Actually it's because people have paid for this and they deserve what was promised when they joined the system. Tell a 20 year old they can opt out and a huge majority is all for it. Quoting AARP is absolutely not a biased source..........................................

You're a little delirious to think that lunatic fringe voters are dwindling, lol ;)

Keep dreaming. O'Bama is going to win 2012.
You're right. They've already decided the election for us. This pony show is just to make us feel special. Plus, they can make money off of selling advertising slots during the debates. Win Win for them.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
Actually it's because people have paid for this and they deserve what was promised when they joined the system. Tell a 20 year old they can opt out and a huge majority is all for it. Quoting AARP is absolutely not a biased source..........................................

You're a little delirious to think that lunatic fringe voters are dwindling, lol ;)



You're right. They've already decided the election for us. This pony show is just to make us feel special. Plus, they can make money off of selling advertising slots during the debates. Win Win for them.
citing your sources as always i see...

until i see some proof, it's unsubstantiated allegation.
 

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

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"Obama",,,Will win again,,,...He's coming for you "Big Guy's"...Next round glove's off...TKO..."Freedom of Religion",,,Freedom of choice,,,freedom to put "Dictator's",,,accountable for there action's..Free to protest and be heard,,,unlike your "silly" Tea-bagger's....Free to say "Fuck you",,,But not free to say I give a Damn!
 

sync0s

Well-Known Member
citing your sources as always i see...

until i see some proof, it's unsubstantiated allegation.
Allegation???? Here is a source for you

The AARP/RTV report on "Public Attitudes Toward Social Security and Private Accounts " is based on a survey of 1,000 adults. It starts legitimately enough: "How confident are you that Social Security will be there for you when you retire?"

More than two of every three of the survey's "youth" cohort (caution: the youngest cohort includes people as old as 39) gave an undesirable answer. A third were "not too confident." Another 35 percent were "not at all confident" the program would "be there" for them.

The next question produced even more bad news for RTV: More than two-thirds were either "very" or "somewhat" confident that their savings and/or investments will generate enough money for their retirement.

But the kicker, in RTV's eyes, was worse.

The poll informed respondents: "Some people propose allowing workers to invest some of their Social Security payroll taxes in the stock market through individual retirement accounts. For the average worker, this portion could be up to $1,300 per year that [he] could invest." Then came the question: "In general, do you favor or oppose this approach?"

Again, two-thirds of the under-40 crowd got it "wrong." They liked the approach President Bush advocates - the very approach opposed by the self-anointed voice of American youth, Rock the Vote.

Of course, such apostasy must not stand. Displaying an arrogance seldom found outside modeling runways, the AARP/RTV report blithely dismisses the question (and, thus, the majority view of respondents) as "simplistic."

Luckily, AARP and RTV had been prescient enough to foresee that the vast majority of younger workers would support personal accounts. (It's what legitimate surveys have been finding for years.)

Consequently, the survey itself proceeded to supply the necessary "nuance" by posing nine follow-up questions for the 198 lost young souls who dared embrace the concept of personal retirement accounts. "Would you still favor" reform if it meant:

- creating a new government agency?

- massive new federal debt?

- requiring "additional help from government"?

The barrage of unattractive hypotheticals ran on and on. This isn't polling. This is a lecture from an overeager high school guidance counselor. Why not just ask us if we would prefer privatization if we had to eat cat food in our retirement? If we'd be forced to listen to Milli Vanilli? If advocates of personal accounts would come to our houses, kick our dogs and erase our iPods?

Respondents who gave the desired, anti-reform response up-front were spared the rubber-hose treatment. They received only three follow-up questions, each of which mentioned an up-side to reform: having more control over retirement money investment, the "potential" for more retirement money and the ability to leave any nest-egg balance to one's children.

Of course, so few of the 18-39 demographic initially opposed privatization that the polling firm considers the sample size for the anti-reform group too small to be completely reliable!

Yet, despite these loaded questions, a plurality of the Rock the Vote cohort still believed that investing in private equities is good for Social Security. Forty-seven percent of the 18-39 cohort responded that Social Security would be strengthened with the ability to invest part of our payroll taxes in the stock market. And half of the RTV cohort believes that investing in a private account would make up for benefits cuts. And this is after being told that private accounts are the financial equivalent of the 10 plagues.

Notable was the absence of any questions informing these respondents about bad things that might happen if Congress rejects efforts to reform Social Security via personal accounts.

Would respondents still oppose reform if they knew the status quo would force benefit cuts of 27 percent by the year 2042? If they knew it would mean hiking their retirement taxes by 18 percent? If they knew it would mean that most young workers will never get as much out of the system as they pay into it?

Because of its maniacally manipulative methodology, the AARP/RTV survey can tell us nothing reliable about what Americans think about Social Security. But it speaks volumes about the sponsors. Neither AARP nor RTV wants to hear what their constituents think. Both groups are far more interested in telling their constituents what they should think - whether they like it or not.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/02/mtv-poll-masks-youth-views-on-social-security

I think we can speak of the reliability of both organizations on the matter here.

Anyways, there would only be one reason someone would oppose an opt out for young people: because you don't believe it will remain solvent for you when you hit retirement and will mean you will miss out on your benefits which is enough to put you on the side of forcing every one to jump in on your entitlements.

I want to depend on myself. I want to save for my own retirement. I don't want to pay for yours, or your moms, or your grandma's, or my moms, or my grandma's. Please, and thank you.
 

sync0s

Well-Known Member
so the 'source' you cite is really an analysis on how unreliable the poll is?

really??
I'm sorry, I really don't know what I'm supposed to be sourcing for you? I thought it was on the credibility of the AARP.

UncleBuck said:
what's ironic is that he indicted AARP as being biased, and then came back with something from the heritage foundation.

ironic fail is ironic.


Not a fail when the only things mentioned were truths in the polling. Statistics are misleading especially when their taken using biased methods.

AARP Credibility? http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-24-aarp-ss_x.htm

Funny, UB, you talk all the time about being anti-lobby. Yet you support the massive lobbyist known as AARP, and even quote their polls to reinforce your point... hmmm...

edit: sources for the claim of support by young people:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/millenials-social-security_n_1021602.html said:
Half of Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 don’t believe that Social Security will exist by the time they reach retirement age, a recent poll from iOMe Challenge finds. Of those young people that do say Social Security will still be around when they’re 67, only five percent say it will exist at the same level it does today.
http://reason.com/poll/2011/05/25/young-people-favor-social-secu said:
All age groups up to age 54 favor reducing social security taxes and allowing individuals to invest in their own retirement instead. For young Americans age 18-29, a majority (52%) support compared to 31% who oppose. In contrast, Americans 55 and older clearly oppose such measures with 58% opposed and about 30% in favor.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-07-20-1Asocialsecurity20_ST_N.htm said:
www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-07-20-1Asocialsecurity20_ST_N.htm
 

RyanTheRhino

Well-Known Member
Why are we fighting.... this party BS needs to end

why not agree on something that will help other than disagree on everything....


woot.... end parties 2016
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Not a fail when the only things mentioned were truths in the polling. Statistics are misleading especially when their taken using biased methods.

AARP Credibility? http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-24-aarp-ss_x.htm

Funny, UB, you talk all the time about being anti-lobby. Yet you support the massive lobbyist known as AARP, and even quote their polls to reinforce your point... hmmm...
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where do i say i am anti-lobby?

i like aarp.

as far as your claim that "tell a 20 year old they can opt out and a huge majority are all for it"....


"As you may know, a proposal has been made that would allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in the stock market or in bonds, while the rest of those taxes would remain in the Social Security system. Do you favor or oppose this proposal?"

Favor Oppose Unsure
% % %

9/23-25/11

52 46 2





10/3-5/08

36 62 2





6/26-29/08

47 48 4

http://www.pollingreport.com/social.htm

52% is not a "huge majority"...
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
52% Yay votes in congress isn't enough to pass legislation if just one senator decides he wants to extend the debate using a filibuster.
 

sync0s

Well-Known Member
Careless usage of the word "huge." Point remains, majority are for privatization or opt-out.

redivider said:
52% Yay votes in congress isn't enough to pass legislation if just one senator decides he wants to extend the debate using a filibuster.
only takes 51% to elect all the way up to 2/3

However, you're right. Congress has absolutely zero interest in the desires of the majority
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
if a single senator wants to extend debate with a filibuster, you can only override it with a HUGE majority of 2/3

BTW, unlike what some fools on here thought, our founding fathers had nothing to do with this...
 

Wolfhound

Active Member
Just remember Obama HAD a democratic Congress & passed his agenda at will. The true Americans voted them out & put better folks in(in some cases). Now Obama heard the will of the people at those elections but STILL refuses to be a leader & lead by working within the system not trying to act like a KING . . .
I feel really sad for those taken in by his rhetoric . . .

Can someone name anything he has done that wasn't, at least in part, socialism ? Thought not
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Just remember Obama HAD a democratic Congress & passed his agenda at will. The true Americans voted them out & put better folks in(in some cases). Now Obama heard the will of the people at those elections but STILL refuses to be a leader & lead by working within the system not trying to act like a KING . . .
I feel really sad for those taken in by his rhetoric . . .

Can someone name anything he has done that wasn't, at least in part, socialism ? Thought not
there are true americans and false americans?

gee, where have i heard that before. is that you, sarah?

LOL!

you have yet to name to me a single bill that IS socialistic. the tumbleweeds are still blowing, the crickets still chirping, and a lone coyote in the distance howls.
 

darkdestruction420

Well-Known Member
Just remember Obama HAD a democratic Congress & passed his agenda at will. The true Americans voted them out & put better folks in(in some cases). Now Obama heard the will of the people at those elections but STILL refuses to be a leader & lead by working within the system not trying to act like a KING . . .
I feel really sad for those taken in by his rhetoric . . .

Can someone name anything he has done that wasn't, at least in part, socialism ? Thought not
total nonsense the republicans blocked every damn thing they could even stuff they normally support and things like benefits for 9-11 rescue workers. The party of NO won by a false promise of focusing on jobs which they quickly showed was all fluff and went after their normal agenda.
 

NoDrama

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no it happens when a man tells a country he will change everything and make it better but fails to deliver...hmm who's campaign was on change again oh yea......


Obama
That was the same platform every president runs on. Promise everything, deliver very little. People just vote for whoever promises the most shit.
 
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