Arizona Growers Thread

[phxfire]

Man Oh Man... Big difference in fully finished nug to unfinished nugs. If the strain finishes in 60 days I will begin to flush on day 60-65 or longer... Let them flush for 3-4 days in the dark... YEs in the dark... This seems to make a BIG differance in the stickiness of the finished nugs... very new techique I have been trying... 2 grows and 1 more in 17 days.......
Thanks SUBLBC

Day 60 LIGHTS OFF
rez change... I use tap water with Clearex...
let them stay in darkness for 3-4 days
watering them every 3 hours
On day 3-4 cut them down...
Hang to dry (Az is a bitch without drying too much)
Clip leaves
Straight to jar
Burp everyday.. 15 minutes lid off
usually fully cured in about 3-4 weeks



Trust me... Sounds crazy but the oils and thc are at their prime at night...

 

[BeaverHuntr]

Man Oh Man... Big difference in fully finished nug to unfinished nugs. If the strain finishes in 60 days I will begin to flush on day 60-65 or longer... Let them flush for 3-4 days in the dark... YEs in the dark... This seems to make a BIG differance in the stickiness of the finished nugs... very new techique I have been trying... 2 grows and 1 more in 17 days.......
Thanks SUBLBC

Day 60 LIGHTS OFF
rez change... I use tap water with Clearex...
let them stay in darkness for 3-4 days
watering them every 3 hours
On day 3-4 cut them down...
Hang to dry (Az is a bitch without drying too much)
Clip leaves
Straight to jar
Burp everyday.. 15 minutes lid off
usually fully cured in about 3-4 weeks



Trust me... Sounds crazy but the oils and thc are at their prime at night...

Yeah dude always giving your plants 48 hours of darkness before harvest increases trichome production. I agree and always give my plants darkness before I chop.

 

[swaggersDlite]

Man Oh Man... Big difference in fully finished nug to unfinished nugs. If the strain finishes in 60 days I will begin to flush on day 60-65 or longer... Let them flush for 3-4 days in the dark... YEs in the dark... This seems to make a BIG differance in the stickiness of the finished nugs... very new techique I have been trying... 2 grows and 1 more in 17 days.......
Thanks SUBLBC

Day 60 LIGHTS OFF
rez change... I use tap water with Clearex...
let them stay in darkness for 3-4 days
watering them every 3 hours
On day 3-4 cut them down...
Hang to dry (Az is a bitch without drying too much)
Clip leaves
Straight to jar
Burp everyday.. 15 minutes lid off
usually fully cured in about 3-4 weeks



Trust me... Sounds crazy but the oils and thc are at their prime at night...

thats the way i do it and i swear it works great.... yea to bad sub isnt making as many videos lately now that he's on that different account, but i'll still watch...

 

[phxfire]

People Against Prop 203

• Carolyn Short, retired lawyer — KeepAZDrugFree Chairman
• Steven A. Betts, former CEO of SunCor Development
• Michael J. Bidwill, President of the Arizona Cardinals
• Paul K. Charlton, former U.S. Attorney, now a partner with Gallagher & Kennedy
• Jerry Colangelo, Chairman of USA Basketball
• Ed Gogek, M.D., clinical psychiatrist and addiction recovery specialist
• Doug Hebert, ex-DEA agent, now with The Partnership for a Drug-Free America
• Michael K. Kennedy, Chairman of the Super Bowl Host Committee
• David P. Kimball III, partner with Gallagher & Kennedy
• Debbie Moak, founder of notMYkid, a nonprofit organization
• Len Munsil, lawyer and former gubernatorial candidate
• Steve Twist, corporate general counsel, former Chief Asst. Attorney General of AZ
• Darrell D. Wadas, M.D., Director of Medicine at Banner Good Samaritan Hospital

Advisory Committee:

• Claren Scott, former news anchor
• Jessica Smith, director of SADD/Arizona
• Leland Fairbanks, M.D., family practitioner and smoke-free workplace advocate
• Alex Romero, board member of Drug Watch International
• Susan Engle, high school guidance counselor
• Dr. Mark Rohde, clinical psychologist and substance abuse specialist
• Peg Kimball, community activist
• Sean McMaster, political consultant
• Eric Wnuck, former Congressional candidate

Law Enforcement

• Joe Arpaio, Maricopa County Sheriff
• Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police
• Rick Romley, Maricopa County Attorney
• Sheila Polk, Yavapai County Attorney
• Barbara LaWall, Pima County Attorney
• Brad Carlyon, Navajo County Attorney
• Alberto Gutier, Governor’s Office of Highway Safety
• Roger Vanderpool, Former Director of the Arizona Department of Public Safety

Political Leaders:

• Governor Jan Brewer
• Attorney General Terry Goddard
• US Senator John McCain (AZ)
• US Senator Jon Kyl (AZ)
• US Congressman John Shadegg (AZ-3)
• Superintendent of Public Instruction, Tom Horne (Candidate for Attorney General)
• State Senator Steve Pierce (LD-1)
• State Senator Sylvia Allen (LD-5)
• State Representative and House Majority Whip Andy Tobin (LD-1)
• State Senator Jack Harper (LD-4)
• State Senator Russell Pearce (LD-1
• State Representative Cecil Ash (LD-1
• State Representative Thayer Verschoor (LD-1
• State Senator Amanda Aguirre (LD-24)
• David Schweikert, Candidate for Congress (AZ-5)
• Ben Quayle, Candidate for Congress (AZ-3)
• Candidate for Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery
• Pinal County Supervisor, Bryan Martyn
• Jo Kelleher, Democratic Party Vice Chairwoman & Former LD-1 Senate Candidate
• Rick Gray, LD-9 House Candidate
• Bob Donahue, LD-1 Senate Candidate
• Lindsay Bell, LD-1 House Candidate
• Karen Fann, LD-1 House Candidate and former Chino Valley Mayor
• Eric Sheats, Former LD-4 House Candidate
• Prescott Winslow, LD-5 Candidate for State House
• Michael Coskun, Former LD-7 House Candidate
• Dr. Ray Mahoubi, Former LD-8 House Candidate
• Ben Arredondo, State House Candidate in LD-17
• Jim Waring, Former State Senator
• Deb Gullett, Former State Representative
• Clark Silver, Candidate for Agua Fria School Board
• Jon Jensen, Former Candidate for Congressional District One
• Jay Schlum, Mayor of Fountain Hills

____________________________________________________________

It would be a great idea to send a letter to these people and explain the benefits of marijuana. Here is some good info....

Print this out and send it to someone on this list........
PRINT THIS
I would title it -
Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants
Send it to someone on the list....

 

[phxfire]

Great info here about water.....

Using a water softener will displace the calcium and magnesium ions and leave the carbonates and bicarbonates behind, which doesn’t change the alkalinity at all. So this is not the thing to do. And a BIG WARNING, using a water softener will add unwanted sodium to your water severely decreasing your yields.

READ MORE HERE

 

[fatboyOGOF]

Man Oh Man... Big difference in fully finished nug to unfinished nugs. If the strain finishes in 60 days I will begin to flush on day 60-65 or longer... Let them flush for 3-4 days in the dark... YEs in the dark... This seems to make a BIG differance in the stickiness of the finished nugs... very new techique I have been trying... 2 grows and 1 more in 17 days.......
Thanks SUBLBC

Day 60 LIGHTS OFF
rez change... I use tap water with Clearex...
let them stay in darkness for 3-4 days
watering them every 3 hours
On day 3-4 cut them down...
Hang to dry (Az is a bitch without drying too much)
Clip leaves
Straight to jar
Burp everyday.. 15 minutes lid off
usually fully cured in about 3-4 weeks



Trust me... Sounds crazy but the oils and thc are at their prime at night...

it's cool that you're a believer and all but this method is just one of hundreds that people have come up with over the decades and swear by. there's no actual proof that this or any of the other things work. just anecdotal evidence. if indeed keeping the lights off for days was a great thing to do, we all would be doing it. everybody! uncle ben would have a 1000 page thread about it. as is, just a handful of folks, most of whom are newer growers, and have only done it once or twice and swear it's magic! this method would be stickied on every grow site! thousands of growers have extended the dark period before harvest, very few do it more than a couple of times. the majority of people who do things like leaving the lights off for days or stabbing the main stalk with a wooden stake or twisting the hurd etc. etc. etc., only do it once or twice. i went 48 hours once with a strain i'd been smoking for a year. not a lick of difference in my considered opinion!


edit: it's funny, i tried to read one sublbc's threads on keeping them in the dark but apparently you have to sign up at his website before you can read any of the posts! lololol

 

[phxfire]

it's cool that you're a believer and all but this method is just one of hundreds that people have come up with over the decades and swear by. there's no actual proof that this or any of the other things work. just anecdotal evidence. if indeed keeping the lights off for days was a great thing to do, we all would be doing it. everybody! uncle ben would have a 1000 page thread about it. as is, just a handful of folks, most of whom are newer growers, and have only done it once or twice and swear it's magic! this method would be stickied on every grow site! thousands of growers have extended the dark period before harvest, very few do it more than a couple of times. the majority of people who do things like leaving the lights off for days or stabbing the main stalk with a wooden stake or twisting the hurd etc. etc. etc., only do it once or twice. i went 48 hours once with a strain i'd been smoking for a year. not a lick of difference in my considered opinion!


edit: it's funny, i tried to read one sublbc's threads on keeping them in the dark but apparently you have to sign up at his website before you can read any of the posts! lololol

I have been an outdoor grower for quite sometime and I have NEVER harvested a plant in the day.. Always at night.. Something I was taught by a forest man.... HA

So if you have only done this technique 1 time I would say you have an opinion that is your opinion and that is it...

SUBLBC is trying make you sign up and I stopped watching him...

anecdotal- Wrong word selection...

Proof... Will be your way in about 2 weeks... I will harvest a plant normally... and the rest in 3-4 days of darkness... I will show you proof...

 

[Bird Gymnastics]

I have been an outdoor grower for quite sometime and I have NEVER harvested a plant in the day.. Always at night.. Something I was taught by a forest man.... HA

So if you have only done this technique 1 time I would say you have an opinion that is your opinion and that is it...

SUBLBC is trying make you sign up and I stopped watching him...

anecdotal- Wrong word selection...

Proof... Will be your way in about 2 weeks... I will harvest a plant normally... and the rest in 3-4 days of darkness... I will show you proof...

I would have to agree with fatboy. My partner and I, WITH EVERY HARVEST, will cut down half of the plants with no extended darkness and then the others with 48-72 hours of darkness. In our experience, not a huge difference. Sometimes it seems the strain is more potent sitting in the dark but I could argue the same thing with the ones we didnt let sit. I guess it's all with the strain and/or growers preference.

Even with microscopes you can't tell a difference. We are starting to get all of our meds tested so if those come back the exact same, then your thoery is squashed. Even when I was going to college for horticulture, there is no scientific proof of plants increasing their production in anyway. Yet I still try it to see a difference and I've always figured "what the hell" plus letting some sit in the dark gives us a couple more days to get all the trim taken care of. Either way everyone has their own opinion! Learn what works best for you and run with it.

 

[phxfire]

I would have to agree with fatboy. My partner and I, WITH EVERY HARVEST, will cut down half of the plants with no extended darkness and then the others with 48-72 hours of darkness. In our experience, not a huge difference. Sometimes it seems the strain is more potent sitting in the dark but I could argue the same thing with the ones we didnt let sit. I guess it's all with the strain and/or growers preference.

Even with microscopes you can't tell a difference. We are starting to get all of our meds tested so if those come back the exact same, then your thoery is squashed. Even when I was going to college for horticulture, there is no scientific proof of plants increasing their production in anyway. Yet I still try it to see a difference and I've always figured "what the hell" plus letting some sit in the dark gives us a couple more days to get all the trim taken care of. Either way everyone has their own opinion! Learn what works best for you and run with it.

To clear it up a little... I never claimed it would produce MORE than what the strain is capable of producing...
But if you have a several plants of the same strain and harvest at various times (Day, night, 3 days in dark, whatever...) there will be different amounts of CBD and CBC in buds each time... CBDs and CBCs are converted to THC... So if there are larger amounts of these chemicals there will be a large amount of THC... Once against this does NOT allow the plant to increase its THC but to make sure it is at its HIGHEST peak at harvest time....
This technique allows you to harvest when the plants are producing the most CBCs and CBDs. There fore you will have an abundant amount of trichomes and resins when the buds are dried and cured...

CBC & CBDs are converted to THC... But genetics also a big play a role in how the strain will convert these chemicals into THC... So some strains it would be POINTLESS where other strains it will be a big difference...

 

[fatboyOGOF]

I have been an outdoor grower for quite sometime and I have NEVER harvested a plant in the day.. Always at night.. Something I was taught by a forest man.... HA

So if you have only done this technique 1 time I would say you have an opinion that is your opinion and that is it...

SUBLBC is trying make you sign up and I stopped watching him...

anecdotal- Wrong word selection...

Proof... Will be your way in about 2 weeks... I will harvest a plant normally... and the rest in 3-4 days of darkness... I will show you proof...

what i have newb, is about 20 years of reading and commenting on grow boards and 18 years straight of growing indoors! new growers always think they've found the pot of gold! Enjoy!

 

[BeaverHuntr]

what i have newb, is about 20 years of reading and commenting on grow boards and 18 years straight of growing indoors! new growers always think they've found the pot of gold! Enjoy!

True that. The man pointed me in "being my own dude"

 

[fatboyOGOF]

True that. The man pointed me in "being my own dude"

i've got over 60 indoor grows from seed/clone to ball jar. what do i know!

 

[phxfire]

what i have newb, is about 20 years of reading and commenting on grow boards and 18 years straight of growing indoors! new growers always think they've found the pot of gold! Enjoy!

So you are saying I am a NEW grower? That is what I get out of your last post...

 

[fatboyOGOF]

So you are saying I am a NEW grower? That is what I get out of your last post...

your pronouncement that several days of dark definately does what you claim, made me think that you were a new grower. statements like that usually don't come from seasoned growers. you made this statement like it was true as opposed to your opinion. new growers often do stupid things because they read it somewhere. i wanted our newer members to know that your statement was your opinion and hardly a matter of fact.

enjoy the darkness! lol

 

[phxfire]

your pronouncement that several days of dark definately does what you claim, made me think that you were a new grower. statements like that usually don't come from seasoned growers. you made this statement like it was true as opposed to your opinion. new growers often do stupid things because they read it somewhere. i wanted our newer members to know that your statement was your opinion and hardly a matter of fact.

enjoy the darkness! lol

Will do my friend... I did not believe it unlit I tried it several times... First time 2 years ago... Tell me WHY it does not work? You seem to know for sure it does not work.. Explain?

I have done a LITTLE research into weather or not this technique makes a difference in a few different strains which I do not think you have done.. 3 different harvests, 3 different strains.. From what I have found it does bring out the full potential of a strain it does NOT increase what the strain is capable of but only taking the plant to its full potential.. If the strain only produces 15% THC with this technique you are more likely to hit that THC level.. It does not increase THC of strain but increases CBCs and CBDs resulting in higher THC potential...

This is something I had an interest in a long time ago and finally found another person that has found that this technique does have results but you do not care to understand... I am no botanist but I can tell you this shit works.....

Weather it is 1% or 2% difference there is a difference which you claim is NOT even in the picture...

Peace Eazy

I like your avatar though!!! Chief

I do not try to re invent the wheel like you are claiming...

 

[Windsblow]

51 days since you flipped them into 12/12 or 51 days from when they showed sex? either way that's pretty good. most of my genetics are sativa/indicas and in all my years of growing, i've never gotten a crop to more than a few amber trichs! i'm impatient!

2 crops ago, i went for 90 days flower, and they were still mostly clear trichs!

51 days from the day I flipped to 12/12. This is the first strain that has ambered this quick. 2 of my other strains are starting to amber as well. I could go 9 weeks and never find any amber. This is the first time I ran both a 400watt hps and 400 watt MH, at the same time, throughout the grow. I doubt that s why but it's the only variable. Other then the luck variable.

I will be harvesting these bitches in the daytime, with no "lights out" period. I won't boil the roots, hang the plant upside down for 3 days before cutting the fan leaves. Hell I won't even flush these hoes. I am just gonna cut them and dry them, then smoke em'. But what the hell do I know LOL

 

[Windsblow]

Will do my friend... I did not believe it unlit I tried it several times... First time 2 years ago... Tell me WHY it does not work? You seem to know for sure it does not work.. Explain?

I have done a LITTLE research into weather or not this technique makes a difference in a few different strains which I do not think you have done.. 3 different harvests, 3 different strains.. From what I have found it does bring out the full potential of a strain it does NOT increase what the strain is capable of but only taking the plant to its full potential.. If the strain only produces 15% THC with this technique you are more likely to hit that THC level.. It does not increase THC of strain but increases CBCs and CBDs resulting in higher THC potential...

This is something I had an interest in a long time ago and finally found another person that has found that this technique does have results but you do not care to understand... I am no botanist but I can tell you this shit works.....

Weather it is 1% or 2% difference there is a difference which you claim is NOT even in the picture...

Peace Eazy

I like your avatar though!!! Chief

I do not try to re invent the wheel like you are claiming...

I thought it was the other was the other way around...... THC degrades and becomes CBD. But what the hell do I know.

 

[Bird Gymnastics]

Will do my friend... I did not believe it unlit I tried it several times... First time 2 years ago... Tell me WHY it does not work? You seem to know for sure it does not work.. Explain?

I have done a LITTLE research into weather or not this technique makes a difference in a few different strains which I do not think you have done.. 3 different harvests, 3 different strains.. From what I have found it does bring out the full potential of a strain it does NOT increase what the strain is capable of but only taking the plant to its full potential.. If the strain only produces 15% THC with this technique you are more likely to hit that THC level.. It does not increase THC of strain but increases CBCs and CBDs resulting in higher THC potential...

This is something I had an interest in a long time ago and finally found another person that has found that this technique does have results but you do not care to understand... I am no botanist but I can tell you this shit works.....

Weather it is 1% or 2% difference there is a difference which you claim is NOT even in the picture...

Peace Eazy

I like your avatar though!!! Chief

I do not try to re invent the wheel like you are claiming...

I am not trying to call you out by any means but what I have read and studied on CBNs and CBDs it's it is actually a different chemical produced other then THC. It doesn't have anything to do with converting. The CBD content has been the chemical that STOOD OUT to have medicinal benefits. For instance, in Europe they have recently found that CBDs can rapidly decrease cancer cell production. From my understanding, THC and CBD/CBN contents are completely different. Correct me if I am wrong but that is what I was taught. Another term I've heard about CBDs is that that is the resin production on the leaves rather then the ones on the bud ( that we know as THC)

 

[swaggersDlite]

51 days from the day I flipped to 12/12. This is the first strain that has ambered this quick. 2 of my other strains are starting to amber as well. I could go 9 weeks and never find any amber. This is the first time I ran both a 400watt hps and 400 watt MH, at the same time, throughout the grow. I doubt that s why but it's the only variable. Other then the luck variable.

I will be harvesting these bitches in the daytime, with no "lights out" period. I won't boil the roots, hang the plant upside down for 3 days before cutting the fan leaves. Hell I won't even flush these hoes. I am just gonna cut them and dry them, then smoke em'. But what the hell do I know LOL

errrr! hit the brakes... every thing is up to you, but no flush, c'mon man seriously ???

 

[Windsblow]

errrr! hit the brakes... every thing is up to you, but no flush, c'mon man seriously ???

So is not flushing...... I have never read any empirical evidence that supports flushing. The only thing I worry about is giving 2 weeks for cure. I like all them "extra" nutes in my smoke. Synthetic nutes nonetheless. Mmmmmmm........... The taste and "crackle" of a nice Jacks Classic filled bud burning the back of my throat.