Strains on the cheap.

themanwiththeplan

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Ive been growing for a few years and its been my goal to try pretty much every strain i can possibly get my hands on and find MY holy grail.

Ive tried some cheaper ones ($8 or less per bean) and some expensive ones ($20+ per bean). sometimes my cheaper ones would out perform my expensive ones so i know that you don't HAVE TO blow a lot for good genetics. Im tired of blowing $200 a pop @ attitude and with Xmas coming id rather buy those close to me nice gifts instead of feeling like a selfish asshole and blowing $200 on myself lol


I don't have a preference i just would like to get peoples opinions on whats cheap and GOOD and whats cheap and BAD.



EDIT: im not a cheap bastard btw. as you can see from my sig i'll buy beans in all different price levels....im just wondering if its always a necessity to spend lots of $ for top shelf bud.
 

GHOPZZ

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Check out Sannie Seeds, great genetics at rock bottom prices. Some other breeders are there aswell. Check out Chocolate Rain, Killing Fields, Sugar Punch, Anesthia, Jackberry, Herijuanna.

Female seeds- Grapefruit, C99, Ice, Bubblegummer, AK

Mandala-Mandala 1, Hashberry, Satori
 

themanwiththeplan

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Check out Sannie Seeds, great genetics at rock bottom prices. Some other breeders are there aswell. Check out Chocolate Rain, Killing Fields, Sugar Punch, Anesthia, Jackberry, Herijuanna.

Female seeds- Grapefruit, C99, Ice, Bubblegummer, AK

Mandala-Mandala 1, Hashberry, Satori
ive had the bubblegummer it was pretty nice. didnt smell/taste/anything like bubblegum but its a pretty good heady effect. buds nicely.

I usually order via attitude so idk about sannies.
 

GHOPZZ

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Give Sannie a shot, he's good people, and has great customer service. Killing Fields is the sickness, he's good really good stock. Going to go with his gear for awhile
 

hazey grapes

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i love me some mandala 8 miles high! it doesn't show off an exotic flavor or do anything particularly "spectacular", but everything it does is "juuuuuuuuuuuust right!"

singles are a great way to test strains out, but if you're serious about quality, especially for breeding, and don't want to risk hermies, get regular beans.

back to mandala, he has a bargain basement deal of 20 seeds for just $32! they might not be his best strain, but that's a way to get a lot of decent gear cheaply on the regular tip anyways.

nirvana's strains are great for THE CHEAPEST regs, but DON'T get their fems & autos. i've seen a lot of griping about those and i'm sure they're cheap too.

i'll be reporting back on a couple under $10 fems i'm testing for fun by summer hopefully. i think they were even under $8, but i've gotten "don't get your hopes up" on the rokerij amnesia haze i want to try.
 

boneheadbob

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ive had the bubblegummer it was pretty nice. didnt smell/taste/anything like bubblegum but its a pretty good heady effect. buds nicely.

I usually order via attitude so idk about sannies.
Youposted saying you want to find someone cheaper then atitude with great genetics.
GHO responds with a fantastic breeder and you blow him off saying "i usually use attitude so I dunno about Sannies"

Sannies has KILLER strains for 30 dam dollars plus 3 for shipping
Choc Rain blows people away as does herijuna, killing fields and others. Theres no bad smoke reports out there. His gear is great.

But I think you are better sticking with attitude
 

althor

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Youposted saying you want to find someone cheaper then atitude with great genetics.
GHO responds with a fantastic breeder and you blow him off saying "i usually use attitude so I dunno about Sannies"

Sannies has KILLER strains for 30 dam dollars plus 3 for shipping
Choc Rain blows people away as does herijuna, killing fields and others. Theres no bad smoke reports out there. His gear is great.

But I think you are better sticking with attitude
Off topic in response to your signature...

You know how to tell who loves you more, your dog or your wife?
Lock them both in the trunk of your car for a few hours and see which one is excited and happy to see you when you open the trunk.
 

themanwiththeplan

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Youposted saying you want to find someone cheaper then atitude with great genetics.
GHO responds with a fantastic breeder and you blow him off saying "i usually use attitude so I dunno about Sannies"

Sannies has KILLER strains for 30 dam dollars plus 3 for shipping
Choc Rain blows people away as does herijuna, killing fields and others. Theres no bad smoke reports out there. His gear is great.

But I think you are better sticking with attitude
guys...its not that i want to go somewhere other than attitude (which it looks like I may have to with all the sannie support on here lol) i just was curious as to what fairly priced breeders offered some of the best genetics/smoke.

Generally I do buy from attitude and I (9 times out of 10) get feminized seeds most of the time as it worked/works better for my growing situation.

I should have just asked which strains of which breeders were best/top shelf...like nirvana, GHS, femaleseeds, etc.

Im skeptical of breeders like GHS as ive seen so many bad reports but ive only grown out 1 strain of theirs to the end. (soon to be 3 total as i have a Great White Shark in veg and a King's Kush in flower right now). Ive been interested in some of their strains by description though. like their SLH and SSH or even their bubba kush, chemdawg, Lemon Skunk, Damn Sour, etc. their green thai sounds interesting, and so on.

however im not sure i want to commit to growing 10 GHS strains at once as id hate for them to all suck.

Nirvana is good from what ive seen/heard but haven't had a chance to grow really anything of theirs. they also have awesome looking strains like NL, AK48, Master Kush (grown the DP version), White widow (grown seedsman version), White Rhino, bubblegummer (ive grown the femaleseeds version)


femaleseeds C99 has been on my list FOREVER so if they are still in stock at the time of ordering im definitely getting at least one for cloning purposes ;)


Idk so many choices and only 12 spots in my grow cycle (4 in veg, 4 in the 1st month of 12/12, 4 in the last month of 12/12) they dont HAVE TO be 8wk strains though. im open to strains that finished longer or faster.
 

themanwiththeplan

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also im not ripping on sannies btw. I just don't like the idea of not having guaranteed shipping as genetics arent cheap. id hate to piss away $100 and receive nothing.

Im not saying i know for sure sannies doesnt offer guaranteed shipping but from my experience most seedbanks DONT offer guaranteed shipping or they make it a hassle to order beans (ie. accept mail order only/cash only, etc).. Attitude and WWMS are the two exceptions i can think of but attitude has everything wwms has plus more.
 

hazey grapes

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10x greenhouse strains is just asking for trouble. they do seem to have some good strains, but terrible quality control issues like hermies that i see in at least half of the reports on that gear. i'm eager to test their lemon haze, but ONLY as a freebie to see how it compares to my favorite strain, so far, high quality seeds' haze skunk. someone in a thread on that breeder said they had bad results with a strain, but i've had EXCELLENT viability in all three packs of HxS i've bought and was happy with the price on those.

nirvana is going to give you the most bong for your buck on the cheap front, but they aren't going to embarrass breeders like TGA & sannies that have a rabid following and for a few more dollars, mandala has a great variety of strains from stank dank hashberry for fans of that kind of bud to 8 miles high which is in my top 3 strains for now and is the most 24/7 friendly of the three and his gear is almost impossible to fuck up. i've yet to see anyone having anything bad to say about mandala and 5 years ago, he and barney were the TGA & sannies of their day at overgrow
 
Cheap beans don't make em bad people like serious seeds are greedy no matter how good there genetics are if you pollinate a female your getting 1000,s of seeds and selling them at £70 for 6 fems is stupid even when nirvana and greenhouse seem cheap there still being greedy £20 for 5 fems even though there endless have hundreds and thousands of seeds and can make thousands at anytime
 

themanwiththeplan

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10x greenhouse strains is just asking for trouble. they do seem to have some good strains, but terrible quality control issues like hermies that i see in at least half of the reports on that gear. i'm eager to test their lemon haze, but ONLY as a freebie to see how it compares to my favorite strain, so far, high quality seeds' haze skunk. someone in a thread on that breeder said they had bad results with a strain, but i've had EXCELLENT viability in all three packs of HxS i've bought and was happy with the price on those.


nirvana is going to give you the most bong for your buck on the cheap front, but they aren't going to embarrass breeders like TGA & sannies that have a rabid following and for a few more dollars, mandala has a great variety of strains from stank dank hashberry for fans of that kind of bud to 8 miles high which is in my top 3 strains for now and is the most 24/7 friendly of the three and his gear is almost impossible to fuck up. i've yet to see anyone having anything bad to say about mandala and 5 years ago, he and barney were the TGA & sannies of their day at overgrow
I agree that 10x greenhouse is a bad idea. I did that already. I bought a 10pack of some cheap strain they had for my 1st grow. I forget what it was but it came out to like 4-5 a bean. so i couldnt resist.

The only thing that really pissed me off about them was that the high didnt match the description & the phenos varied wildly. It was all the same strain but i promise you it looked similar to the pic i have now in my grow journal (some REALLY tall, some REALLY short). At least now i expect to have all different heights as i purposely bought 3 sativa dom's and 3 indica doms...so i could separate them between lights. When i grew the GHS strain I only had one light so obviously the wide range of height caused problems.

Not that I held my breath but the yield (obviously) didnt match up to the guarantees (they claim 800-900g per 1000w indoors all the time in their descriptions. I got more like 1/3 of that dried.)

It seems like GHS sends out f2's or really unstable strains. Theres still a great chance that you can find something special so yeah. i still want to use them from time to time but im not ready to commit a whole grow to them again.

I hear that alot about nirvana (most bang for your buck) so im definitely getting some of their strains. im not sure what they are absolutely KNOWN for like Seedsman is for Skunk #1 but ill figure it out.

haze skunk huh? how good is it? just curious as ive never had any of their gear.

Mandala is another breeder ive heard lots of good about and not really anything bad. The only put off is they only sell regs but since i now have two grow spaces (independent veg and flower areas) i might as well suck it up and do it.

The 8miles high sounds very appealing as ive always wanted a 24/7 type smoke. I love sativa type highs but not a fan of the racyness and most of their strains specifically state they aren't racy. so that might will probably go on the list.

sorry for the stoned ramble but you've been a lot of help. bongsmilie



Cheap beans don't make em bad people like serious seeds are greedy no matter how good there genetics are if you pollinate a female your getting 1000,s of seeds and selling them at £70 for 6 fems is stupid even when nirvana and greenhouse seem cheap there still being greedy £20 for 5 fems even though there endless have hundreds and thousands of seeds and can make thousands at anytime
well said. As long as you know what you're doing being a seed breeder for cannabis has got to be one of the most profitable jobs in the cannabis industry. Those guys make bank i dont give a fuk how you look at it.

Imagine if you vegged 2 plants for 8wks and let them pollinate under a 600-1000w set up? I once got 300 beans on a project i did myself with just 1 2ft plant and i didnt pollinate strictly for seeds. i decided to grow some bud on it too so it could have easily been double/triple that if i didnt prevent the whole plant from getting knocked up. just sayin.

if a breeder like serious sells 1000 fem seeds they net 20,000 (if they go for $20 a pop) before cost. Not bad right? if you ask me its more profitable than the actual growing of the flowers (factoring in cost, risk, return, ease of profit, etc)


It is borderline greed when you consider they (serious seeds) could charge $7 a piece and still make a whopping $7000. thats a lot of $$$ for one seed harvest.

Im not sure how many beans could be produced per m2 but I gotta imagine tens of thousands and up.
 

TokenJoke1

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yeah find plants you like and breed your own, youll never look back..... Also where the heck can i buy 8 miles high its like sold out everywhere?
 

hazey grapes

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Cheap beans don't make em bad people like serious seeds are greedy no matter how good there genetics are
i'd say up to $100 for a pack of seeds is reasonable, particularly if you have something as kickass as kali mist that no one's doing a cheaper knockoff off (never figured out why no one has) but over that, yeah, it's really starting to get greedy, but NO ONE is as greedy as doggies' nuts ($351!!??) sorry, no plant is worth a fucking quarter million dollars or more!

plunking down $100 for kali mist at gypsy's was THE hardest purchase i've ever made, but it was a WAY BETTER value than the $120 bid i made for an eigth of that (the original version & not the new fruitier & less hot tasting one) when i was gifted a gram. you just have to decide if a particular strain (or even pheno) is worth it to you to spend whatever the asking price is. the crushed red pepper flavor of ORIGINAL kali mist was just too delicious! it was worth it to me to buy it for trying to breed the flavor into something that would go well with it like orange, cherry or even garlic bud if that's even around anymore.

fortunately, there are breeders like nirvana, mandala, TGA subcool, sannies' & high quality seeds etc. hooking those of us not in it for the money up with great to outstanding gear.

it's the law of supply and demand, if someone wants to pay $200 or more for beans (i think neville used to do that too), more power to them. i've tried at least a couple awesome strains under $50 that are fine by me.

as to the 10x greenhouse, i THOUGHT they were referring to buying ten different PACKS just from them. that would be downright stupid considering their rep, but if you only had one pack, it'd be SMART to pop all 10 to try and find a keeper. most growers that are REALLY into growing & breeding WILL get 5 or 10 packs of a given strain looking for that one super pheno. it must be nice to have that much money & space to do it, but you can get DECENT smoke out almost any bean by a decent breeder. sure, you'll get pheno variation, but if the cross was made from two good parents, any pheno you get should be at least decent.
 

themanwiththeplan

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yeah find plants you like and breed your own, youll never look back..... Also where the heck can i buy 8 miles high its like sold out everywhere?
Im wondering the same thing to be honest. I checked out WWMS and Attitude (the only two places i really buy beans from) and both are sold out :(

it figures. everytime i get excited about a strain its not available. Happened with Strawberry Cough (finally got it obviously as im growing it), OG Kush (came back in stock 2 weeks after my last order!) and now 8 miles high.

Thankfully im not making an order right now i have a month or so before i do order i just wanna narrow down my choices (12 strains/12 beans).

How would you guys like to help me craft my list of what to get? im always looking for insight into the wonderful world of being a strain whore.


So far im thinking if 8miles high isnt available that i'll just go the pick and mix route and get 12 strains (1 bean each). I need 12 seeds as i start 4 new plants per month on my cycle so i'd like to buy a 3month supply in advance.

So far im thinking:
Sweet Seeds - Afgani Delicious (its an afghanistan x black domina S1)
Nirvana - White Rhino
Nirvana - Northern Lights
Nirvana - Super Skunk
G13 Labs - Hypnotic
GHS - trainwreck
GHS - chemdog
GHS - bubba kush
GHS - SLH
GHS - SSH

still need 2 more picks. at least those are the ones im considering the most up to this point.


Some ive seen but not sure/sold on yet are:
KC Brains - Brains Choice (supposedly Lamsbread Jamaica, Leda Uno & White Widow genetics) seems tempting.
KC Brains - Northern Lights Special (simply because it sounds too good to be ture..350g per plant indoors...i call BS but still looks nice)
Nirvana - Kaya Gold (also sounds nice as its a hardy strain that grows well in various climates/conditions)
Ceres - orange bud & purple (both sound great but cant find any reviews)

feel free to chime in anyone.
 
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