Strains on the cheap.

hazey grapes said:

i'd say up to $100 for a pack of seeds is reasonable, particularly if you have something as kickass as kali mist that no one's doing a cheaper knockoff off (never figured out why no one has) but over that, yeah, it's really starting to get greedy, but NO ONE is as greedy as doggies' nuts ($351!!??) sorry, no plant is worth a fucking quarter million dollars or more!

fortunately, there are breeders like nirvana, mandala, TGA subcool, sannies' & high quality seeds etc. hooking those of us not in it for the money up with great to outstanding gear.

it's the law of supply and demand, if someone wants to pay $200 or more for beans (i think neville used to do that too), more power to them. i've tried at least a couple awesome strains under $50 that are fine by me.

as to the 10x greenhouse, i THOUGHT they were referring to buying ten different PACKS just from them. that would be downright stupid considering their rep, but if you only had one pack, it'd be SMART to pop all 10 to try and find a keeper. most growers that are REALLY into growing & breeding WILL get 5 or 10 packs of a given strain looking for that one super pheno. it must be nice to have that much money & space to do it, but you can get DECENT smoke out almost any bean by a decent breeder. sure, you'll get pheno variation, but if the cross was made from two good parents, any pheno you get should be at least decent.

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i agree. if i lived on a damn deserted island id grow as many as i could. Unfortunately my room is small. 8x10ft (not small compared to most on this site but small when you consider popping a hundred beans looking for the keeper lol)

I agree with you saying no matter the breeder if the two parents chosen are good then the offspring will be good somewhere down the line. I just hate buying a 10pack of a strain...growing it out...and have it look like i planted 3 indicas...2 hybrids and 4 sativa dom plants. thats to be expected sometimes but i wish if breeders were selling F2's that they'd just say that. 90% of the time you don't know exactly what you're getting till you grow it out.

I hate when i read a description and then the seeds dont grow up to fit it at all.

I do love paradise seeds white berry though. I grew out a 10 pack of that (1 didnt germ) and the rest grew to be very uniform in height and there wasnt much variation between phenos other than the structure. all the buds (from all plants) produced the same high...similar smells, everything. i was very pleased with them (in case anyone else is interested in giving them a shot). i could say the same thing about some DP 10 packs ive had in the past. they too produce very similar plants.



also as far as cheap knockoffs go i always wondered why places (like GHS who are rumored to rip off other breeders) don't simply just buy a few packs of the competitors beans...grow them out...find the best pheno...produce S1's and rake in the $$$? (in response to your kali mist comment)

is it just me or is it simply not that easy? same goes for clone only strains...use CS...make S1 = profit.

i think kali mist beans could be femmed as i read a report somewhere saying that they have a high percentage of females in their gear. maybe there isn't enough demand for the strain, i don't know.

as to phenos, i haven't grown enough gear to see much difference yet. the only strain i had multiples to compare against were the 6 joey weed C99 females i grew last winter and i didn't note enough of a difference between the 4 shorties and 2 tall gals to see a difference. ALL of the gals got me nice & high. i wasn't doing side by side comparisons, just happily blazing what i'd craved for years.

i could see how some phenos would be more annoying than other like cat piss. i love haze buzzes, but THAT odor has just got to go! LOL

hazey grapes said:

i think kali mist beans could be femmed as i read a report somewhere saying that they have a high percentage of females in their gear. maybe there isn't enough demand for the strain, i don't know.

as to phenos, i haven't grown enough gear to see much difference yet. the only strain i had multiples to compare against were the 6 joey weed C99 females i grew last winter and i didn't note enough of a difference between the 4 shorties and 2 tall gals to see a difference. ALL of the gals got me nice & high. i wasn't doing side by side comparisons, just happily blazing what i'd craved for years.

i could see how some phenos would be more annoying than other like cat piss. i love haze buzzes, but THAT odor has just got to go! LOL

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man, ive wanted c99 for awhile now. have you had the femaleseeds version? if so whats the difference (in your opinion) between the joey weed version and the female version?

okay lets get back to cheap good strains anyone else? Please post links if ya can too, I bookmarking this page for good priced strains to try one day.

i recently purchased a couple cheap beans from the tude (i too want to eventually try every seed possible and be able to make the best selection from them)

list:
GHS lady burn 1974
GHS super bud
GHS moby dick
GHS Kalashnikova
GHS SLH
G13 Sour Candy

and long with the freebies
DNA L.A. Confidential
Barneys Pineapple Chunk
GHS SLH (i didnt pay attention)
CH9 Critical Mass 33

i will be making grow logs for all of these so stay tuned (just waiting on a MH bulb, i recently made the jump from cfl to mh/hps.. i was getting good yield IMO but the buds were madd fluffy, so i made the jump to try to fix that)

TokenJoke1 said:

okay lets get back to cheap good strains anyone else? Please post links if ya can too, I bookmarking this page for good priced strains to try one day.

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Jordan of the Islands

Jordan is a longtime local breeder who is dedicated to bringing to the market some of the most flavorful and potent strains. His strain God Bud was the first Canadian seed strain to win the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.

http://vancouverseedbank.ca/manufacturers.php?id=8

frmrboi said:

Jordan of the Islands

Jordan is a longtime local breeder who is dedicated to bringing to the market some of the most flavorful and potent strains. His strain God Bud was the first Canadian seed strain to win the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.

http://vancouverseedbank.ca/manufacturers.php?id=8

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have you tried this and grown it out or are just copying and pasting?lol

TokenJoke1 said:

lol

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what's so funny ?

frmrboi said:

what's so funny ?

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have you tried this and grown it out or are just copying and pasting?lol..... was the question, i am sure you have experiances, so i was kind of jokingly asking about them......sux to have to explain a joke.

good stuff is wherever you find it ive ordered from worldwide , attitude[multable times] & 3 orders from sannie ill go with whoever has what i want at the time but in all honesty sannie has been the best i just love the killing fields

keep hearing great things about killing feilds def on my list!

man, ive wanted c99 for awhile now. have you had the femaleseeds version? if so whats the difference (in your opinion) between the joey weed version and the female version?

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well, all i know is that joey's version was more of a grape pheno than anyone else's i've heard of, but there's a grower mentioned in another thread specifically about C99 that has a grape pheno as well as a skunky one and potent pineapple too.

i can't really say much about the female seeds' version as i haven't seen much reporting on it and what i have read made it sound like mosca's is "the" version to get. it was looking like dr greenthumb's gear might be good too, but there's a lot of controversy around that breeder. until i hear different, i'm either getting my C99s from my own JW f2s, if i can ever get any to pop, or moscas. actually, i'm keen to try it eventually just for the the pinapple pheno and to see if it lives up to it's trippy rep.

i tell you, if you like JW's gear. get a pack of his C99 x A11 right now! when they are gone, they're gone forever. hemp depot hasn't heard from joey in a long time and doesn't expect to again in the future. i gifted a couple of mine to one of my last 2 dealers who turned flaky on me, but he reported that both popped. i'm kinda pissed he flaked out, because i had so cindy apollo, haze skunk & 8 miles high freebie coming to me. that's alright though, i'll have my own by simmer anyways. as far as middlemen go, dude was pretty honest and not greedy, but he has some serious issues & maybe not the tightest grip on reality.

Want cheap and quality? Step One: Learn how to clone. Step Two: Buy the best (no hermies) if I can avoid herms I will pay the extra for Sensi, Serious, ect.. there are entire seed companies who have half their genetics come from Ser. AK-47.

redzi said:

Want cheap and quality? Step One: Learn how to clone. Step Two: Buy the best (no hermies) if I can avoid herms I will pay the extra for Sensi, Serious, ect.. there are entire seed companies who have half their genetics come from Ser. AK-47.

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Very true. I do intend to get my "clone on" sometime in the future. Right now ive got my hands full with the setup i have by itself. It makes me consider hydro lol.

skunk man range seedsman "The Resinator"

Breeder Seedsman AKA Sleeskunk Genetics Sleestack x Skunk #1 Pack Size 10 Seeds Variety Mostly Sativa Sex Regular THC Content Unknown Grows Greenhouse, Grows indoors, Grows outdoors Flowering Time 8-9 Weeks Harvest Month October £25.99 YES Sleeskunk (same genetics as DNA) (Sativa/indica)

I just about to run so Sleestack now. If its anything like the Sleeskunk its a sure fire

canna_420 said:

skunk man range seedsman "The Resinator"

Breeder Seedsman AKA Sleeskunk Genetics Sleestack x Skunk #1 Pack Size 10 Seeds Variety Mostly Sativa Sex Regular THC Content Unknown Grows Greenhouse, Grows indoors, Grows outdoors Flowering Time 8-9 Weeks Harvest Month October £25.99 YES Sleeskunk (same genetics as DNA) (Sativa/indica)

I just about to run so Sleestack now. If its anything like the Sleeskunk its a sure fire

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thanks for this. i had no idea. should be great indeed. let us know how it goes!

serious seeds kali mist is a great strain, i'd say the original was better when it wasn't fruity & tasted like crushed red pepper, but the recent report i read sounds like it still smokes the same if toned down to just spicy now, but just because a strain's more expensive doesn't make it any better. two of my top 3 favorites, 8 miles high & haze x skunk, are both under $40 and i've only seen happy growers with TGA subcool & sannies gear, but the WORST strain i ever bought was more expensive. i think i ended up paying $62 (or was it more?) for vancouver island seedbank burmese and got NOTHING but useless mutants & aborts for my money.

yes, some of the best & rarest gear is also the most expensive, but i'd rather smoke high quality seeds' $35 haze skunk than $100-$200+ (depending on where you get it) kali mist any day because it's much tripper as well as easier to sit down on as is 8 miles high. kali mist is just too active for 24/7 use, but perfect for activities & work.

if you can afford the $100+ gear though, go for it.

my memory sucks these days so idk if ive said this in this thread before but my best strain i ever grew (in terms of stability, problem-prone, quality etc) was White berry from paradise. I got a 10 pack and i kid you not all were within 1-1 1/2 inches in height from each other at best. pretty impressive. All plants were shaped similarly so i was able to pack them in extra tight without risking the chance of mold.

Bud was Grade A and there was plenty of it (biggest yielder had 4oz w/ only 30day veg). almost all the plants had the description as described on the seedbank website. it claimed to be a versatile smoke in the sense that small doses would be sativa like in high and more smoking would be indica like in effect.

they did. it was pretty impressive for me as ive gotten lots of seeds that dont match the description one bit.


I like both sativa and indica so it was a win-win.


Ive never had the Kali Mist but just from the reputation it has in general I know its gotta live up to the hype. ive been smoking for 10yrs but a good half or more of that time was getting no-name street bud. I honestly don't think price determines anything in terms of quality when you buy seeds. Every major breeder is capable of producing a gem. I think you can get $700 beans and end up with $7 results and 7dollar 1s up being 700+ in value. if you know what i mean.

I still want the expensive stuff because I happen to have a taste for the expensive when it comes to alcohol and mj. lol

honestly. i liked cheaper joey weed C99 better than kali mist. it didn't have the delicious original crushed red pepper flavor, but it's slightly grapey haze pheno wasn't shabby, but there's an HUGE difference between 45 days flowering & "end of november" which comes out to 17 weeks or 119 days by my calculations. the buzzes were very similar, but half the flowering time is no small difference. i wasn't actually aware that kali mist took THAT long. i'll have to plan ahead to use my last bean of that then in case it's a male. it's my rarest bean followed by my last two G13 haze x buddha's sister & i wanted to breed the two together one way or the other.

that must be why i wasn't able to score an eigth of kali mist even when i offered $120 for one. it had been 10 years since i'd smoked anything that got me that high. with that flowering time, i'd imagine the buzz is more refined than C99, but the latter's buzz isn't shabby in either the motivation or euphoria departrments and instant;y rem,inded me of kali. i'm sad to see joey weed's $57 bargain go away, but glad to know that respected mosca has picked it up and bred for the potent pineapple pheno and kept the price well under $100 too.

hazey grapes said:

honestly. i liked cheaper joey weed C99 better than kali mist. it didn't have the delicious original crushed red pepper flavor, but it's slightly grapey haze pheno wasn't shabby, but there's an HUGE difference between 45 days flowering & "end of november" which comes out to 17 weeks or 119 days by my calculations. the buzzes were very similar, but half the flowering time is no small difference. i wasn't actually aware that kali mist took THAT long. i'll have to plan ahead to use my last bean of that then in case it's a male. it's my rarest bean followed by my last two G13 haze x buddha's sister & i wanted to breed the two together one way or the other.

that must be why i wasn't able to score an eigth of kali mist even when i offered $120 for one. it had been 10 years since i'd smoked anything that got me that high. with that flowering time, i'd imagine the buzz is more refined than C99, but the latter's buzz isn't shabby in either the motivation or euphoria departrments and instant;y rem,inded me of kali. i'm sad to see joey weed's $57 bargain go away, but glad to know that respected mosca has picked it up and bred for the potent pineapple pheno and kept the price well under $100 too.

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whoa! its worth that price tag? (im not being a smartass im just honestly curious)