question about pots and repotting

maoriJane

Member
I read somewhere that you have to have a certain size (gallon) pot for certain size plant... Like "x" gallons per inch or something... But didn't save the link. Are there any guidelines?

Also: How do I know when I need to replant into a bigger pot?

Also -- has anyone used Smart Pots? Since they're soft-walled pots, do you need an outside pot with them? How do they handle, as far as moving your plants around goes? Are they sturdy when you need to move your plants? Are there any complications when it's time to LST?

I started my plants off in cut-off bottoms of clear plastic bottles. Learned here that roots don't like light, so I wrapped them with tape. Now I'm looking ahead to replanting & I want to do it right.

Any info/insights appreciated. Thanks :weed:
 

greenmoney

Active Member
Bump, I was just going to ask about replanting my plant. Its grown faster than expected and I also got a larger grow cabinet so I'm able to get a much larger pot for my plant. I've also LST my plant and am wonder about all the bends. Here she is in her pot:

don't mean to thread jack
 

MrMeanGreen

Active Member
Tip her out of her pot and take a look at the roots that have hit the walls at the pot. I wait until all the sides have a good show of roots. When you re-pot the plant has roots ready to shooot out in every direction in ya new pot. More roots = more gooderer.
 

Biological Graffity

Active Member
Ok , I veg for 2 months and I use 5 G pots MINIMUM, smart pots are ment to be exposed to air for air root prooning, so no DO NOT use another pot with them, Personally (and this is strictly my opinion, some people swear by them ) I do not like them due to the fact that A)Not sturdy and root dammage can and does occur while hadleing it B) they actually designed to kill off your root tips...Transplant that girl into 7 gallon right now and you could veg out a monster for next 2 1/2 months and than flower
 

Brick Top

New Member
Purchase your new pot(s) and quality soil. DO NOT pick a pot size under 4-gallons. 5-gallons or more would be better, I normally use 7-gallon pots, but 4-gallons is as small as you can go unless you're growing dwarfs or something tiny and still have adequate space for a healthy root system.

Put a layer of new soil in the bottom of your new pot(s)m gently compacting it.. Set the old pot/plant inside to see if you have roughly enough soil so when the old root-ball is placed in the new pot the plant will be at the right height.

(From now on the instructions are for a right handed person. If you are left handed, reverse the hand instructions)

If the soil in your old pot is slightly dry and pulling away from the sides of the pot the root-ball will slide out easier. If not you can run a long knife around the inside of the pot making sure the blade is scraping the pot and not the roots.That will help loosen the root-ball from the pot.

Pick up the old pot with your left hand. Place your right hand over the soil so the main stem is between your index finger and next finger. Turn the pot upside down while mainly holding it's weight with your left hand and with your right hand just barely touching the soil.

Tap the edge of the pot on a counter top, work bench tabletop or something similar. The plant and root-ball should then slide out of the pot and be securely resting on your right hand, main stem between index finger and your next finger. There may be some loss of soil, but that doesn't matter, even if it is considerable.

Inspect the root-ball. If the roots are out to the edges of the root-ball and tightly wound the plant is root-bound. If so take a razor knife, a single blade razor blade or a very sharp knife and score the root-ball making cut up and down the sides of the root-ball about a half inch to an inch deep and about every three or four inches apart. Also score the bottom of the root-ball in a crisscross pattern and again making the cuts about a half inch deep to one inch deep. A root-bound root-ball will continue to grow in a tightly wound mass rather than pushing out roots down and to the sides into fresh soil. Scoring the root-ball (cutting roots) works like pruning above ground growth. Where each cut is made the root will split off into two new root tips and they will push down and out in search of space and fresh nutrient rich soil.

Place the root-ball/plant into the new pot. If the plant level is correct fill in around the old root-ball with new fresh soil. If the plant level is low, remove the plant/root-ball and add more soil. If the plant level is to high remove the plant/root-ball and remove some of the new soil. Then fill in around the old root-ball with fresh new soil.

You want to make sure there are no air pockets or passageways for water to pour through to the bottom of the pot and out the drains without adequately moistening all the soil. If your old root-ball remained more or less intact you can use your hands and gently compress the new soil around the sides of the old root-ball and then water well giving it a good full soaking.

If you had a fair bit of soil loss from the old root-ball and had many loose dangling roots you do not want to push on and compress the soil because you may break the loose roots. In a case like that give a good full soaking of water to compress the soil. If after doing so the soil has sunk some, add more soil to the top and water again, but not as heavily. Just enough to compress the additional soil.

Let drain well.

Smart Pots or Rootmaker Pots or ny of the air root pruning pots are good. They create very healthy root systems and very healthy root systems create healthy vigorous growing plants. Just because they are air root pruning pots does not mean you can buy smaller pots than you would otherwise need. The roots will still need adequate space. But using air root pruning pots, of an adequate size, along with using quality soil, is the simplest thing anyone can do to have a happy healthy root system that the above ground growth will be thankful for and will make use of.
 

Sunbiz1

Well-Known Member
Brick,

Would you recommend smart pots for someone that has to be moving plants on a regular basis?. 5 and 7 gal plastic I can work with all day, but fabric give me visions of a huge mess indoors.
 

maoriJane

Member
Thanks for the information.

What happens if you put a small plant into a pot that's too big for it? My plants are small, but I want to get them out of the clear plastic improvised "pots" I used for the seedlings and into the pot that I'll ultimately use for flowering.

Why do growers transplant into progressively larger pots, instead of just putting their plant into the large pot from the beginning and letting the plant grow into it? Is it a watering thing?
 

Sunbiz1

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the information.

What happens if you put a small plant into a pot that's too big for it? My plants are small, but I want to get them out of the clear plastic improvised "pots" I used for the seedlings and into the pot that I'll ultimately use for flowering.

Why do growers transplant into progressively larger pots, instead of just putting their plant into the large pot from the beginning and letting the plant grow into it? Is it a watering thing?
The general rule of thumb is 1 gallon per 1 foot of plant height, which means it is up to you depending on how long you wish to veg. Yes, you can put a small plant right into a 5 gal. I don't do it for my own reasons, and I do a final transplant 2 weeks prior to flowering. Actually, your question has been answered thoroughly...let me un-bury it.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/486729-smart-pots-2.html

There ya go!
 

Brick Top

New Member
Brick,

Would you recommend smart pots for someone that has to be moving plants on a regular basis?. 5 and 7 gal plastic I can work with all day, but fabric give me visions of a huge mess indoors.

I really don't know. I have tried RootMaker pots but not SmartPots and I don't move things around much. I can see your point though.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Thanks for the information.

What happens if you put a small plant into a pot that's too big for it? My plants are small, but I want to get them out of the clear plastic improvised "pots" I used for the seedlings and into the pot that I'll ultimately use for flowering.

Why do growers transplant into progressively larger pots, instead of just putting their plant into the large pot from the beginning and letting the plant grow into it? Is it a watering thing?
How can a pot be to large for a plant? Does a seedling or small plant growing with the entire planet for it's pot die or grow slow or have problems because there is so much soil a distance away from it's roots?

I normally use 7-gallon pots and my seedlings start out right in them and I never re-pot. Now and then I will use 5-gallon pots, but that's rare. And when I grew on my deck every year I used 15-gallon, 20-gallon and one 25-gallon pot ... and I never had any problems ... just really nice plants.
 

maoriJane

Member
How can a pot be to large for a plant? Does a seedling or small plant growing with the entire planet for it's pot die or grow slow or have problems because there is so much soil a distance away from it's roots?

I normally use 7-gallon pots and my seedlings start out right in them and I never re-pot. Now and then I will use 5-gallon pots, but that's rare. And when I grew on my deck every year I used 15-gallon, 20-gallon and one 25-gallon pot ... and I never had any problems ... just really nice plants.
Thanks brick, that's exactly what I'm thinking... But everywhere you read that people start out in small party cups, then transplant into larger party cups, then progressively bigger pots. I thought maybe there's some method to that... (???)

I plan to transplant, but I want to transplant into the pots that I'm gonna flower in. Right now my plants are about 2 or 3" tall at a little less than a month old. Plan to veg for another month, then flower. Hoping they'll be about a foot tall by then. (indica dominant strain. Also plant to LST after transplant.) Do I really need a 4 gallon pot for that size plant? Can't I get by with a gallon size pot for a foot tall plant?
 

Sunbiz1

Well-Known Member
Thanks brick, that's exactly what I'm thinking... But everywhere you read that people start out in small party cups, then transplant into larger party cups, then progressively bigger pots. I thought maybe there's some method to that... (???)

I plan to transplant, but I want to transplant into the pots that I'm gonna flower in. Right now my plants are about 2 or 3" tall at a little less than a month old. Plan to veg for another month, then flower. Hoping they'll be about a foot tall by then. (indica dominant strain. Also plant to LST after transplant.) Do I really need a 4 gallon pot for that size plant? Can't I get by with a gallon size pot for a foot tall plant?
You're fine with the gallon, also sounds like it's too soon to transplant at only 2-3" in ht. The only time I flower that soon is on a 12/12 from seed grow during Summer when the UV's are really high. Even then I'm lucky to pull an ounce out of a plant. here is a finished one from a few week ago I did in a 1 gal. It took about 100 days from seed.
 

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Brick Top

New Member
Thanks brick, that's exactly what I'm thinking... But everywhere you read that people start out in small party cups, then transplant into larger party cups, then progressively bigger pots. I thought maybe there's some method to that... (???)
Plant nurseries start in trays with tiny containers and only bump them up in size as little as they can. It saves them soil and containers and labor and people want to buy small plants and watch them grow.

Because of that people got the idea that you need to start plants in small containers to get a good solid small root system and then re-pot and re-pot until you are finally in the largest size you will be growing in. But that's not needed.

Do you think this plant would have been bigger, better and more impressive if it has been started out in a small container and bumped up in size a time or three before being allowed to grow in the ground where root space was limitless since the plant was a seedling?

 

maoriJane

Member
Mine are about 25 days old. I may have to turn this into a micro-grow anyway (or even kill the grow), because I'm hearing horror stories about how bad the smell gets during flower and I'm getting paranoid about the ability of a unvented carbon scrubber to keep the "flower" smell in my closet away from my neighbors.

...So I may end up going 12/12 in a week or two, if I can whip up a micro-grow cab.
 
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