Flushing Info for pot growers

[sk'mo]

Tobacco farmers do that cause they smoke the leaves not buds

I'm pretty sure they starve the plants of nitrogen to improve taste, not just because they smoke leaves.

Not sure I'm picking up what you're laying down, Jack.

 

[sk'mo]

Leeching (what most newbies call flushing) has not been proved to do anything people keep claiming it does.
It does not increase taste or odour, it does not help the plant grow, it does make the plant produce more trichomes.
It's all the same old bullshit just a different day, people claim this stuff all the time, and there has never been produced only single shred of evidence for it.

Stop believe in hyped up, overrated, false information.
Test things out for yourself and come to your own conclusions and you will surely come to the same conclusions as most expert growers have

Stop disseminating false information.

I've given a general outline of an actual experiment I've done. It supports the argument for flushing. You are free to repeat it if you have doubts. I would suggest modifying it by adding a group that is fertilized right up to harvest.

 

[k0ijn]

I've given a general outline of an actual experiment I've done. It supports the argument for flushing. You are free to repeat it if you have doubts. I would suggest modifying it by adding a group that is fertilized right up to harvest.

Since nutrients aren't stored in the buds, it's just the same old argument as always.
"Unflushed" bud is not harsher on the throat than "flushed" bud, it's a myth and it's not true.

The reason why the bud you didn't flush might've been perceived as being harsher are so many it's impossible to tell which is the key factor.

 

[watchhowIdoit]

If you dry and cure correctly you are fermenting your buds just about the same as tobacco farmers dry, cure and ferment their leaves........

 

[sk'mo]

Since nutrients aren't stored in the buds, it's just the same old argument as always.
"Unflushed" bud is not harsher on the throat than "flushed" bud, it's a myth and it's not true.

The reason why the bud you didn't flush might've been perceived as being harsher are so many it's impossible to tell which is the key factor.

Never said nutrients were stored in the buds. I believe that plants store energy in the form of sugars, right? Ever burn sugar? It doesn't burn cleanly. Kind of a 'harsh' smoke. It makes sense to me that if you deprive the plant of nutrients for the last two weeks of it's life, it will start to use up that stored energy in order to sustain it's life. It seems reasonable that the less sugar in the plant would make the smoke smoother.

You suggested that someone do an experiment, and I have. Although mine was done for a different purpose (Testing the effectiveness of Flushing Agents), the results suggest that flushing does have a positive effect on quality.

I actually eliminated most factors that would account for any differences, including single-blind taste tests with multiple testers. To the point that I wasn't even present when they smoked, just to make sure I didn't give any subconscious cues.

The only difference between the plants was the manner in which they were watered during the final two weeks of growth.

Honestly, you can't really dismiss what I'm saying like that just because you're sure it's a myth.

 

[wbd]

Never said nutrients were stored in the buds. I believe that plants store energy in the form of sugars, right? Ever burn sugar? It doesn't burn cleanly. Kind of a 'harsh' smoke. It makes sense to me that if you deprive the plant of nutrients for the last two weeks of it's life, it will start to use up that stored energy in order to sustain it's life. It seems reasonable that the less sugar in the plant would make the smoke smoother.

You suggested that someone do an experiment, and I have. Although mine was done for a different purpose (Testing the effectiveness of Flushing Agents), the results suggest that flushing does have a positive effect on quality.

I actually eliminated most factors that would account for any differences, including single-blind taste tests with multiple testers. To the point that I wasn't even present when they smoked, just to make sure I didn't give any subconscious cues.

The only difference between the plants was the manner in which they were watered during the final two weeks of growth.

Honestly, you can't really dismiss what I'm saying like that just because you're sure it's a myth.

Good for you man, at least you did your own research.

The most I ever see from the anti-flush brigade is a link to some thread that some guy decided to write one day. At least you came to conclusions on your own experience, and nobody can take disprove something you experienced for yourself -- especially on an entirely subjective matter such as taste.

+rep for you.

 

[SirLancelot]

I've done 3 blind taste tests with flushing now. I've done three because I see these threads all the time and someone says they've done the experiment and could tell a difference so that means I gotta try it again to see if i missed something. Outa three time, same results. I used the Same strain, same mother, same conditions. Each time flushed one with water 2wks prior to harvest, the other with solution (which why on earth would you buy a chemical to flush out chemicals? kinda retarded people believe that shit +1 for the marketing teams.) and fed all the way up. No one could tell a difference after a 2wk cure. I always thought the microorganism in the soil broke down the nutrients into food the plant could use not just go in the roots straight from what you fed. Anyway my results spoke for themselves.
In the history of agriculture no one has ever flushed their veggies or fruits before harvest why is MJ so magical?

I also want to add I don't think one living thing on earth benifits from being starved....

 

[SirLancelot]

I was just thinking, regardless if flushing is neccessary or not out of the 3 times I've done the experiment I couldn't tell a noticable enough of a difference in the plants that were flushed to not. What I mean is that in the end I had all quality nug that smoked good regardless if I flushed or not. I personally don't flush anymore except for cases of experimenting but even if you do flush, if you grew your plant right your gonna have fire nugs regardless but the whole concept of the bud being "Sparky" or harsh. Well it could be sparky because it's still damp inside and it could be harsh because you didn't cure or didn't cure properly. BUT personally I believe people get too stoned and think they see, taste, smell things that aren't their lol I know I do... All i know is that no one knows what works for my grow nor do they know what works for your grow.

Props to anyone who does the experiment instead of repeating he say she say on RIU

 

[wrathchild]

Well I flush simply because it makes me feel better! I have no science nor have I done any experimentation but it sure makes me feel better to flush

 

[Harrekin]

Well I flush simply because it makes me feel better! I have no science nor have I done any experimentation but it sure makes me feel better to flush

Make sure you wipe first

 

[Illegal Smile]

I don't know, but a very old friend has a masters in plant science and has worked for a long time in the tobacco industry. He is now a legal grower in a medical state. He grows in hydro and assures me flushing helps, but he only does it for 3 - 4 days before harvest. I'll take his word for it. I, frankly, have done it both ways (with and without flush) but I doubt I have all the other variables well enough controlled to draw a comparison.