"We're Trying To Keep Our Voting Rights! Thousands March Against New Voter ID Laws"

[Dan Kone]

I am willing to bet the number of people participating in voter fraud by not having to show ID at the ballot box exceeds the number of people in America that are too poor to afford an ID.

Just a hunch.

So where is the proof that this is a real problem that needs to be fixed? Why is that not a relevant part of this discussion? There is no wide spread voter fraud taking place that would be fixed by these new laws. You know that, you're just ignoring the facts.

This is about disenfranchising democrats, not voter fraud. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

 

[mame]

I am willing to bet the number of people participating in voter fraud by not having to show ID at the ballot box exceeds the number of people in America that are too poor to afford an ID.

Just a hunch.

Oregon currently accepts all of these forms of ID to register to vote (we vote by mail):

• valid photo identification,
• paycheck stub,
• utility bill,
• bank statement,
• government document, or
• proof of eligibility under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act or the Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act.

Again, it's not as if people are walking up and voting with zero proof of identity.

 

[NLXSK1]

It's bad enough to where some people have to choose between rent and food. You really think someone who's already choosing between rent and food should have to pay a $25 dollar poll tax in order to vote? That's unreasonable. The constitution says all men are created equal. That makes them all equally deserving of a vote. This takes their vote away from them.

Also many seniors who are active voters live on a fixed income. Every dollar counts for a lot of Americans. Asking them to pay to vote to fix a fictitious problem is criminal IMO.

You only have to pay for an ID once Dan.

It is not a fictitious problem when felons and illegal immigrants vote and people vote multiple times. It happens in every election, I could post dozens of links to it. And the ones that they talk about are only the ones that got caught.

Again, the reason I care is that it dilutes MY rights.

 

[UncleBuck]

I answered the question I just didnt answer your question.

my question was a yes or no, not a request for you to go off on a tangent.

i will repeat again for you, as certain people are so dense that they need to be reminded twice or more:

does someone deserve to be disenfranchised for not having $19?

 

[Dan Kone]

It is not a fictitious problem when felons and illegal immigrants vote and people vote multiple times. It happens in every election, I could post dozens of links to it. And the ones that they talk about are only the ones that got caught.

So where is the proof of that? I've seen no evidence what so ever and the studies done on voter fraud suggests what you're saying is false.

 

[UncleBuck]

So where is the proof of that? I've seen no evidence what so ever and the studies done on voter fraud suggests what you're saying is false.

my signature contains a quote from a ron paul freak blatantly boasting about committing voter fraud.

just food for thought.

 

[deprave]

Just jumping in here but how is 25$ fee going to prevent voter fraud? Frauds don't have 25$?

 

[UncleBuck]

Just jumping in here but how is 25$ fee going to prevent voter fraud? Frauds don't have 25$?

nlxsk won't explain, he will just pop on fox news for a fresh talking point.

 

[Dan Kone]

I am willing to bet the number of people participating in voter fraud by not having to show ID at the ballot box exceeds the number of people in America that are too poor to afford an ID.

Just a hunch.

Not likely.

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf

As many as 11 percent of United States citizens – more than 21 million individuals – do not have government-issued photo identification. Eleven percent of the American
citizens surveyed responded that they do not have current, unexpired government-issued
identification with a photograph, such as a driver’s license or military ID. Using 2000
census calculations of the citizen voting-age population, this translates to more than 21
million American adult citizens nationwide who do not possess valid government photo ID

Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID. Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior
citizens

Minority citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. According to the survey, African-American citizens also disproportionately lack photo
identification. Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no
current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age
citizens

Citizens earning less than $35,000 per year are more than twice as likely to lack current
government-issued photo identification as those earning more than $35,000.

Seniors, black people, poor people. All less likely to have government ID than the average American. Those groups of people are the base of the democratic party. And that's what this is about. Stopping them from voting.

25% of black people not having ID could change election results by itself.

In order for what you say to be true, that would mean there are millions of cases of voter fraud happening. If that's the case it should be pretty easy for you to prove that voter fraud is a real problem and this is not just a cynical way to stop democrats from voting.

 

[NLXSK1]

Not likely.

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf









Seniors, black people, poor people. All less likely to have government ID than the average American. Those groups of people are the base of the democratic party. And that's what this is about. Stopping them from voting.

25% of black people not having ID could change election results by itself.

In order for what you say to be true, that would mean there are millions of cases of voter fraud happening. If that's the case it should be pretty easy for you to prove that voter fraud is a real problem and this is not just a cynical way to stop democrats from voting.

Yeah, the people making 35,000 per year obviously cannot AFFORD an id... Tragic really.

I dont happen to have a state ID either. I do happen to have a drivers license.

 

[deprave]

I don't know about the other states but here it doesn't cost money and you don't need an ID..maybe the first time your register starting now and I guess thats messed up but it doesn't take any of that any time after. Sounds like some states have it kind of rough but in Michigan you need to provide your Name and Address, I am not even sure they need your date of birth. All I have to do is keep my address up to date at Secretary of state and you can do that online for free.

 

[WillyBagseed]

Since many states are disallowing mail in ballots how are home bound / ill / old / disabled people supposed to vote?


Figured since we are slowly winding down on the ID issue I would add another.

 

[Dan Kone]

Yeah, the people making 35,000 per year obviously cannot AFFORD an id... Tragic really.

If you stopped letting them vote, it is. There should be no financial qualification for voting. And the supreme court agrees with me. This is simply explointing a loophole in that system. This is not fixing a real problem, this is about disenfranchising voters.