Finally Found a Ron Paul Flip-Flop!

[budlover13]

Ron Paul has flip flopped on one issue in the past 30 years: Capital Punishment

Ron Paul changed his mind on it and is now against the death penalty, because he has concluded that it is racially biased against minorities, specifically against black men.

As of 2009, 41.5% of all the people on death row were black.
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Here is a nice website for some quick stats.



http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-and-death-penalty

 

[suTraGrow]

Soooo, i shouldn't vote for him is what your are trying to telling me?

 

[NoDrama]

[video=youtube;DAXAsg4RvdI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAXAsg4RvdI[/video]

Yep, flip flopper.

 

[budlover13]

Soooo, i shouldn't vote for him is what your are trying to telling me?

On the contrary suTra. You SHOULD vote for the man. He's not saying that death is not justified for some crimes. He's saying that he opposes the death penalty because it is applied in a racially-biased manner. Particularly among blacks.

What a racist old bastard huh?

 

[RyanTheRhino]

Yea.

He argues the rich walk and the poor get chopped

 

[budlover13]

Just had someone point out that he flip-flopped on Don't Ask, Don't Tell too.

"I have received several calls and visits from constituents who, in spite of the heavy investment in their training, have been forced out of the military simply because they were discovered to be homosexual," Paul said Friday. "To me, this seems like an awful waste. Personal behavior that is disruptive should be subject to military discipline regardless of whether the individual is heterosexual or homosexual. But to discharge an otherwise well-trained, professional, and highly skilled member of the military for these reasons is unfortunate and makes no financial sense." ~ Ron Paul

 

[spandy]

He said "for federal purposes" "issued unjustly"

He never once said he didn't support the death penalty. He said he doesn't support the federal death penalty. Made no mention of what states could do within their own rights.

Does anyone know what his stance is on states rights for execution? What does the Constitution say about states rights to the death penalty?

 

[budlover13]

He said "for federal purposes" "issued unjustly"

He never once said he didn't support the death penalty. He said he doesn't support the federal death penalty. Made no mention of what states could do within their own rights.

Does anyone know what his stance is on states rights for execution? What does the Constitution say about states rights to the death penalty?

His reasoning was because of racial bias in the way it is issued, correct. Not that he doesn't believe it is warranted in some cases but that it is used disproportionately against minorities.

As for his views on states right and the death penalty, i haven't come across it yet.

As for the Constitution, any rights not specifically given to the federal government are left to the states.

 

[spandy]

His reasoning was because of racial bias in the way it is issued, correct. Not that he doesn't believe it is warranted in some cases but that it is used disproportionately against minorities.

As for his views on states right and the death penalty, i haven't come across it yet.

As for the Constitution, any rights not specifically given to the federal government are left to the states.

Thats how I had it cornered as well.

Its funny how the media and the rep. party are desperately trying to make him a racist, and it's simply just not going to happen. Everything this man stands for points directly at personal freedoms. And personal freedoms is so much more than a single issue, it encompasses EVERYTHING in some way shape or form.

 

[UncleBuck]

He said "for federal purposes" "issued unjustly"

He never once said he didn't support the death penalty. He said he doesn't support the federal death penalty. Made no mention of what states could do within their own rights.

Does anyone know what his stance is on states rights for execution? What does the Constitution say about states rights to the death penalty?

the 8th amendment governs what states may do.

so the question is left: is the death penalty cruel and/or unusual.

it is certainly unusual, as it puts us on a select list with china, iran, north korea, and a few unsavory others. well in the minority.

is it cruel? well, it has been used to put several innocent people to their death at the hands of the state who would have later been exonerated and likely awarded a hefty settlement. so you tell me.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

He said "for federal purposes" "issued unjustly"

He never once said he didn't support the death penalty. He said he doesn't support the federal death penalty. Made no mention of what states could do within their own rights.

Does anyone know what his stance is on states rights for execution? What does the Constitution say about states rights to the death penalty?

He clearly stated he did not support the death penalty and stated what he would do as President which of course limited him to federal cases. He's always been a states rights guy, whether the death penalty falls under cruel and unusual just because sometimes they are wrong would be an interesting case indeed, I'm not sure it could ever get to trial though.

 

[Dan Kone]

the 8th amendment governs what states may do.

so the question is left: is the death penalty cruel and/or unusual.

it is certainly unusual, as it puts us on a select list with china, iran, north korea, and a few unsavory others. well in the minority.

is it cruel? well, it has been used to put several innocent people to their death at the hands of the state who would have later been exonerated and likely awarded a hefty settlement. so you tell me.

Our version of the death penalty is most definitely cruel. We use a freaking gas chamber just like the nazi's did. That is so completely unnecessary. A bullet to the head does the same thing, only much cheaper. I still don't understand why the American public is ok with borrowing execution methods from the nazis.

Things like the gas chamber and electric chair need to go away. If we're going to execute someone, just take them out back and shoot them.

 

[Harrekin]

Our version of the death penalty is most definitely cruel. We use a freaking gas chamber just like the nazi's did. That is so completely unnecessary. A bullet to the head does the same thing, only much cheaper. I still don't understand why the American public is ok with borrowing execution methods from the nazis.

Things like the gas chamber and electric chair need to go away. If we're going to execute someone, just take them out back and shoot them.

Ever heard of lethal injection?

 

[deprave]

pretty sure gas chamber and electric chair is not used anymore, I think only lethal injection now. I don't support it either way, fuck the state.

 

[Purplestickeypunch]

He's opposed to the Federal death penalty.

 

[Parker]

Ron Paul has flip flopped on one issue in the past 30 years: Capital Punishment

Ron Paul changed his mind on it and is now against the death penalty, because he has concluded that it is racially biased against minorities, specifically against black men.

As of 2009, 41.5% of all the people on death row were black.
...
Here is a nice website for some quick stats.



http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-and-death-penalty

A flip flop is when you pander to your political base. He changed his mind on DADT also for the same reason. It wasn't being enforced evenly.

 

[Parker]

the 8th amendment governs what states may do.
so the question is left: is the death penalty cruel and/or unusual.
it is certainly unusual, as it puts us on a select list with china, iran, north korea, and a few unsavory others. well in the minority.
is it cruel? well, it has been used to put several innocent people to their death at the hands of the state who would have later been exonerated and likely awarded a hefty settlement. so you tell me.

A well thought out post. Who are you and what have you done with Uncle Buck and his turtles?

 

[UncleBuck]

A well thought out post. Who are you and what have you done with Uncle Buck and his turtles?

was struck by the christmas spirit.

i will now return to fucking around and telling "in here eye" jokes.

 

[sync0s]

Our version of the death penalty is most definitely cruel. We use a freaking gas chamber just like the nazi's did. That is so completely unnecessary. A bullet to the head does the same thing, only much cheaper. I still don't understand why the American public is ok with borrowing execution methods from the nazis.

Things like the gas chamber and electric chair need to go away. If we're going to execute someone, just take them out back and shoot them.

Did you see what we allowed the Iraqis to do to Saddam Hussein? If you haven't, it's all on Youtube.

Food for thought: The electric chair was developed under the management of Thomas Edison and used as propaganda against Westinghouse and Nikola Tesla's AC current. I hate that Thomas Edison is respected, and that more people know who he is than Tesla. This is just another reason to not respect the man.