Ron Paul Has International Support

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The point is not the cost or the care, it is the fact that there is a middle man between you and health care and all he is there for is to make a profit from you being sick.



For profit prisons and for profit health care are 2 of the most insane ideas ever.

I totally agree on private prisons.

 

[NoDrama]

Lien avoidance

Some types of liens may be avoided through a chapter 7 bankruptcy case. However, BAPCPA limited the ability of debtors to avoid liens through bankruptcy. The definition of “household goods” was changed limiting “electronic equipment” to one radio, one television, one VCR, and one personal computer with related equipment. The definition now excludes works of art not created by the debtor or a relative of the debtor, jewelry worth more than $500 (except wedding rings), and motor vehicles (§ 521(f)(1)(B)). Prior to BAPCPA, the definition of household goods was broader so that more items could have been included, including more than one television, VCR, radio, etc.
[edit]Limits to the homestead exemption

Under the new law, the homestead exemption, which allows bankruptcy filers in some states to exempt the value of their homes from creditors, is limited in various ways. If a filer acquired their home less than 1,215 days (40 months) before filing, or if they have been convicted of security law violations or been found guilty of certain crimes, they may only exempt up to $125,000 (adjusted periodically), regardless of a state's exemption allowance.(§ 522(p)(1)). Filers must also wait 730 days before they are allowed to use their state's exemptions. (§ 522(b)(3)(A)). There is an exception if the property is “reasonably necessary for the support of the debtor and any dependent of the debtor.”

That doesn't mean what you think it does, that blurb means those items in excess that have a LIEN on them, in other words if you are making credit payments on those electronic items and valuable paintings then you will lose the items back to the creditors so they can be liquidated. It doesn't mean they are going to take little suzies barbie TV and Webkins Computer because you already have one of them in the den. Its to limit debtors from avoiding making loan payments by filing bankruptcy just as soon as they get all sorts of shit purchased on credit.

If you have a home in those states that have the homestead exemption and you own another spare a house that is worth more than $125,000 then you probably could have afforded health insurance. And then if you are a criminal then you probably got the house from your criminal enterprise to begin with. Then again there is an exemption if you are actually LIVING THERE!!! So even with the homestead exemption you won't lose the home you live in no matter what.

How many people who can't afford health insurance have Picasso's , Van Gogh's and extra homes? Not very many.

 

[NLXSK1]

It worked for me when I lived in Germany and France.

It worked for me when I was in the USAF.

It works for my Aunt and Uncle who still live in France.

It works for my 2 cousins in Quebec , Canada..........


Me , No insurance - self employed USA

1992 1 hour sinus surgery and then 4 hours in the hospital for observation. $15,000.00 asked. $10,000.00 actual cost

2003 Heart attack
Ambulance for 1 mile $900.00
Flight for life - $11,000.00
1 Stent put in and 48 hours in the hospital - $63,000.00
Total $75,000.00 settled for $48k.

How many average people can pay that stupid shit? Not complaining for me but god damn, it is bullshit the way the USA does shit.

2 days in hospital in France as an American citizen = 0$

YES !!! our system rocks !!!!

Hey Willy... Who paid for all that free medical care in France? Or do the doctors and nurses work in France for free? Do the buildings and medical supplies just simply appear out of thin air? Or maybe the fact that they pay something like $12.00 per gallon of gas might have something to do with it...

Since your mom stopped bandaging your boo boo's there has been no free health care. You might have gotten your government to get someone else to pay for it but the cost was paid by someone.

 

[canndo]

! that is the whole point of insurance, its the whole point of why everyone in my household has insurance, so in case someone gets sick I don't have to pay for it out of my pocket and we get the best care possible becasue money is no object up to a point.


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But your argument is that you die either way, so why does your household have insurnace? Your new arguments don't make much more sense than your old ones.

 

[canndo]

I totally agree on private prisons.

But not health care? it is ok with you that the CEO of a health insurance company takes home 33 million a year while his company looks for ways to keep its policy holders from getting that 50,000 dollar operation that will save her life?

 

[NoDrama]

But your argument is that you die either way, so why does your household have insurnace? Your new arguments don't make much more sense than your old ones.

That isn't my argument at all, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. When Death comes knocking, it doesn't make one bit of difference how much insurance you have. Understand now? I will try to be more succinct from now on, just for you.

I learned that word succinct from Shawshank redemption movie. You should watch that movie, you will improve your vocab.

 

[canndo]

That isn't my argument at all, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. When Death comes knocking, it doesn't make one bit of difference how much insurance you have. Understand now? I will try to be more succinct from now on, just for you.

I learned that word succinct from Shawshank redemption movie. You should watch that movie, you will improve your vocab.

I find better ways of increasing my vocabulary than watching movies - you should try reading the book (or novela) Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank redemption I believe it was titled. No one, not you nor anyone else actually knows "when death comes knocking" until after it has opened the door, hence you don't know if something will help stave off death until it has been tried - at least this is the case in all but the most obvious situations. The fact that we all die anyway doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to delay that inevitability.

 

[NoDrama]

I find better ways of increasing my vocabulary than watching movies - you should try reading the book (or novela) Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank redemption I believe it was titled. No one, not you nor anyone else actually knows "when death comes knocking" until after it has opened the door, hence you don't know if something will help stave off death until it has been tried - at least this is the case in all but the most obvious situations. The fact that we all die anyway doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to delay that inevitability.

The Shawshank part was facetious, I guess you don't read all the posts that come through this forum. HereToday can probably give you a primer on the significance of it all.


If a dump Truck runs over you and crushes you dead, insurance won't help. Airplane fall out of the sky? Insurance won't extend your life one second. A grizzly bear eats your head, insurance won't help.

Are you getting it now?

 

[canndo]

The Shawshank part was facetious, I guess you don't read all the posts that come through this forum. HereToday can probably give you a primer on the significance of it all.


If a dump Truck runs over you and crushes you dead, insurance won't help. Airplane fall out of the sky? Insurance won't extend your life one second. A grizzly bear eats your head, insurance won't help.

Are you getting it now?

I can name as many incidents where insurance WILL help as you can where it won't. So what is your point there?

 

[NoDrama]

I can name as many incidents where insurance WILL help as you can where it won't. So what is your point there?

Ok, start naming.

 

[canndo]

Ok, start naming.

Colon cancer treatment
Breast cancer treatment
skin cancer treatment
pnumonia
kidney failure requiring dialisis
heart transplant
liver transplant
artificial limbs
diagnosis of all sorts

in short, any way we can perserve a life that costs more than 10 or 20 k. Don't bother even posting if you are going to use more "bear eating your head" examples.

 

[Carne Seca]

canndo you're wasting your time. He will twist anything you say to fit his agenda. He ignores facts and does the Ron Paul equivalent of covering ears and yelling la la la la over and over. It's like arguing with a five year old.

 

[NoDrama]

Colon cancer treatment
Breast cancer treatment
skin cancer treatment
pnumonia
kidney failure requiring dialisis
heart transplant
liver transplant
artificial limbs
diagnosis of all sorts

in short, any way we can perserve a life that costs more than 10 or 20 k. Don't bother even posting if you are going to use more "bear eating your head" examples.

You mean to tell me that you can't get any of those things without Insurance? Oh My!!

Stop trying to beat the horse more dead, insurance doesn't mean healthcare, no matter how much Carne and you think it does.

 

[fdd2blk]

my surgeon said he'd take my seadoo in trade for a new knee.

true story.

 

[canndo]

You mean to tell me that you can't get any of those things without Insurance? Oh My!!

Stop trying to beat the horse more dead, insurance doesn't mean healthcare, no matter how much Carne and you think it does.

A heart transplant is about 200 k and ongoing medication is another thousand a month last time I heard. Some of the others are over a 100 k. Tell me NoDrama - do you have a spare 200k laying around? (tought to borrow that by the way, if the lender knows what it is being used for). If you don't have the money, you don't get the heart - that is pretty damn clear to me, no insurance = death.

 

[NLXSK1]

A heart transplant is about 200 k and ongoing medication is another thousand a month last time I heard. Some of the others are over a 100 k. Tell me NoDrama - do you have a spare 200k laying around? (tought to borrow that by the way, if the lender knows what it is being used for). If you don't have the money, you don't get the heart - that is pretty damn clear to me, no insurance = death.

Who is supposed to pick up the check? Who pays if the patient doesnt? The "Taxpayer"??

It is fine to want to offer the best possible healthcare to every single living individual on the planet. However, there is an ethical dilemma of robbing peter to pay paul in demanding that the "rich" fully fund socialized medicine.

 

[NoDrama]

A heart transplant is about 200 k and ongoing medication is another thousand a month last time I heard. Some of the others are over a 100 k. Tell me NoDrama - do you have a spare 200k laying around? (tought to borrow that by the way, if the lender knows what it is being used for). If you don't have the money, you don't get the heart - that is pretty damn clear to me, no insurance = death.

200K? LOL don't be ridiculous, a heart transplant costs far more than that, try something more along the lines of $700,000. You must be getting quotes for Chinese Baboon heart transplants done in Mexico.

18 people die each day who have insurance and need a transplant. in 2008 alone 4,573 kidney patients, 1,506 liver patients, 371 heart patients and 234 lung patients died, they had insurance that would pay for all of it.

remember why we are arguing about this. Ron Paul had a staffer who didn't have insurance, he got $400,000 worth of care but died anyway. Now did he die because he didn't have insurance or did he die because he had pneumonia?

 

[Carne Seca]

Ron Paul had a staffer who didn't have insurance, he got $400,000 worth of care but died anyway. Now did he die because he didn't have insurance or did he die because he had pneumonia?

He died because he DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE. People who have insurance see a doctor right away. People without insurance (myself included) don't and try to treat themselves with over-the-counter remedies. He waited until he was in serious condition before he went to the hospital.

 

[Sure Shot]

All this health talk has me compelled to share this video.
You wouldn't doctor your taxes.
Why doctor your body?
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[NLXSK1]

He died because he DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE. People who have insurance see a doctor right away. People without insurance (myself included) don't and try to treat themselves with over-the-counter remedies. He waited until he was in serious condition before he went to the hospital.

Based on this we all should see a doctor every day and live forever....

THANK YOU OBAMACARE!!