The "I don't starve my plants before harvest" thread

[LT1RX7 Drifter]

hey i got a noble idea how bout we starve you the last week your alive, flushing does not increase yeild, or taste, or appearence, or how it burns down to ash or not. It has been scientifically proven on countless different spieces of consumer driven crops, fertilizing will increase yeild . IF the grow was done correctly and you feed till harvest, ie trichome color, you finished product will only be as good as the dry and cure and genetics period.

 

[Mr.Marijuana420]

[/QUOTE]I think it is fair to discount the opinions of those who claim better taste, odour, less harsh, cleaner ash.
First of all because I don't hear this argument from many experienced growers, normally it's heard from unexperienced growers.
It's also used a lot by people who have never done side by side flush - no flush experiments.
I think most of the people who claim these taste and odour improvements are just kicking a dead horse.
They're passing on old information that was told to them by someone they trust and like, they have believed it for a long time, and when popular authors also mention it, it almost becomes gospel to them, without any reasoning or logical thinking on their part.[/QUOTE]

100% true. this is because experienced growers know there methods and arent caught up in prooving that there way is the only rite way. for some reason with all the lack of knowledge inexperienced growers have, they seem to be the least open to new ideas. theres plenty of ways to grow this plant

 

[wbd]

hey i got a noble idea how bout we starve you the last week your alive, flushing does not increase yeild, or taste, or appearence, or how it burns down to ash or not. It has been scientifically proven on countless different spieces of consumer driven crops, fertilizing will increase yeild . IF the grow was done correctly and you feed till harvest, ie trichome color, you finished product will only be as good as the dry and cure and genetics period.

Yet still no studies presented demonstrating flushed bud is in any way inferior to unflushed.

 

[SirLancelot]

Yet still no studies presented demonstrating flushed bud is in any way inferior to unflushed.

which is exactly my point. why even flush to begin with, when there has been no proof it does anything.

 

[k0ijn]

which is exactly my point. why even flush to begin with, when there has been no proof it does anything.

This is one of our main points yes.
Why go through the hassle of pre-harvest flushing, getting new water, replacing water (getting rid of the old solution), running it through the system, re-pH'ing etc (which can be a genuine hassle if you have a medium sized grow or larger) if it doesn't improve your grow in any way?

 

[Harrekin]

This is one of our main points yes.
Why go through the hassle of pre-harvest flushing, getting new water, replacing water (getting rid of the old solution), running it through the system, re-pH'ing etc (which can be a genuine hassle if you have a medium sized grow or larger) if it doesn't improve your grow in any way?

AND the toilet growers pH adjust their toilet water...and they don't seem to realise the reason we pH adjust water to assist in nutrient uptake...yep thats right, the people who flush make their "flush the nutrients out" water so it helps the plants take up nutrients! What a world we live in.

 

[ThrobbingPancake]

When a living organism doesn't get the nutrients or food it needs to sustain itself it starts eating off of it's stored nutrents/food. That is starving and that is what the plant is doing. You can make it sound special it's just eating whats left in the plant NO it's eating itself. C'mon man get an understanding in Botany then argue.

You said that you have a basic understanding of botany, but now you are beginning to assert yourself as "all knowing." It is in your opinion that flushing is dumb. Other people feel that NOT flushing is dumb. I feel that you may be a bit misinformed, or possibly were sick the day your high school teacher was discussing the finer points of photosynthesis. Furthermore, if the plant freaks out because it's not getting the nutes it's used to, it starts pumping what's left into the buds. Kinda like what adrenaline does for us humans, gives us the added strength or endurance in times of need. But be careful, if you listen closely, you can hear the plant screaming.

I have an orchid, it's 4 years old, and I have never once given it any nutrients, distilled water all the way. It flowers regularly, without added nutrients. It's funny, the only thing I was searching for on the interweb was flushing, or not flushing. I stumbled onto this website, and really, the only reason I registered was because SirLancelot here was contradicting himself left and right, and it really got under my skin. I will frequent these pages more now. So, SirLancelot, thank you for your unnecessary and uninformed ramblings. Without these I would not have found this site, but you do make me feel better about my abilities as a writer.

-CheerS-

TP

 

[VanishingToaster]

You said that you have a basic understanding of botany, but now you are beginning to assert yourself as "all knowing." It is in your opinion that flushing is dumb. Other people feel that NOT flushing is dumb. I feel that you may be a bit misinformed, or possibly were sick the day your high school teacher was discussing the finer points of photosynthesis. Furthermore, if the plant freaks out because it's not getting the nutes it's used to, it starts pumping what's left into the buds. Kinda like what adrenaline does for us humans, gives us the added strength or endurance in times of need. But be careful, if you listen closely, you can hear the plant screaming.

I have an orchid, it's 4 years old, and I have never once given it any nutrients, distilled water all the way. It flowers regularly, without added nutrients. It's funny, the only thing I was searching for on the interweb was flushing, or not flushing. I stumbled onto this website, and really, the only reason I registered was because SirLancelot here was contradicting himself left and right, and it really got under my skin. I will frequent these pages more now. So, SirLancelot, thank you for your unnecessary and uninformed ramblings. Without these I would not have found this site, but you do make me feel better about my abilities as a writer.

-CheerS-

TP

HA one post? join date jan 2012..... fucking hell, the lengths trolls will go to, to try and get "one up" on someone. like it matters

 

[k0ijn]

aaah as a non flusher i do feel i should point out that flushing is useful for correcting mistakes in the grow medium.....thats about it but it does do things, and IF you have overfed its probably a good idea to at least reduce feedings last week or so

I completely agree with you.
As I've already stated many times, flushing / leaching is good for error correction, clearing salt buildup etc.
Almost all growers flush, mainly due to errors.

What SirLance ment (I think) was more about pre-harvest flushing / leaching.
Although, I can see he didn't specify properly.

 

[VanishingToaster]

sounds like we're almost at a conclusion, shame its one thats gonna be different for everyone but thats growing for ya, general to everyone but unique for all

 

[SirLancelot]

You said that you have a basic understanding of botany, but now you are beginning to assert yourself as "all knowing." It is in your opinion that flushing is dumb. Other people feel that NOT flushing is dumb. I feel that you may be a bit misinformed, or possibly were sick the day your high school teacher was discussing the finer points of photosynthesis. Furthermore, if the plant freaks out because it's not getting the nutes it's used to, it starts pumping what's left into the buds. Kinda like what adrenaline does for us humans, gives us the added strength or endurance in times of need. But be careful, if you listen closely, you can hear the plant screaming.

I have an orchid, it's 4 years old, and I have never once given it any nutrients, distilled water all the way. It flowers regularly, without added nutrients. It's funny, the only thing I was searching for on the interweb was flushing, or not flushing. I stumbled onto this website, and really, the only reason I registered was because SirLancelot here was contradicting himself left and right, and it really got under my skin. I will frequent these pages more now. So, SirLancelot, thank you for your unnecessary and uninformed ramblings. Without these I would not have found this site, but you do make me feel better about my abilities as a writer.

-CheerS-

TP

Your quite welcome, Maybe I should repost something for you since you didn't take the time to read before writing. Im also a bit confused on the photosynthesis lesson your giving me, I feel I have a good understanding of how it works and yes i understand the plant uses up the nutrients in the leaves which go to the buds, did I ever say they didn't? Im confused on your argument here, are you just upset that Im voicing my opinion?

I never claimed to be a scientist.
I never claimed to be an expert.
I never claimed to have any credible facts to my theorys
I have done lots of studying and if you took the time to read the thread you would see a shit ton of those facts that you want.
I did this merly to get a rise out of people and to share my opinion with others who believe the same as I. If you want scientific facts you've come to the wrong place this is a forum, try a .gov site or some other offical one.

lol yes that basically is it I don't like the idea of starving my plant the last weeks of her life my opinion through my experience. but if you want answers to my stance then read i don't want to re type.

I also intended this thread to be informational so if you have any information from doing an expirement yourself I would love to hear about it.
if you want to attack me personaly you can send me an email or start a new thread, thanks.

and what does an orchid have to do with flushing?

I completely agree with you.
As I've already stated many times, flushing / leaching is good for error correction, clearing salt buildup etc.
Almost all growers flush, mainly due to errors.

What SirLance ment (I think) was more about pre-harvest flushing / leaching.
Although, I can see he didn't specify properly.

yes exactly, I sometimes assume people know what im writing without proper clarification only because I thought I've/we've made it clear the topic is about Pre-harvest flushing for improved taste.

P.S ThrobbingPancake I wanted to tell you Im proud to be your first but don't go psycho and get all attached it's just a 'thing' ok.

 

[VanishingToaster]

with the studies posted earlier showing that plants in general do store crap in all parts of the plant, its fair to assume that chemmed up bud comes from overfeeding and not flushing, whereas properly fed non flushed plants shouldn't have an excess.

the amount of people saying that they've smoked flushed and non flushed and not been able to tell makes me think that if there is a difference between properly fed and flushed its minimal if at all. only proof i have is the opinions of everyone here, granted not scientific, but this forum will never make my mind up on a subject, i need to see the proof in my own grows before i take something as gospol

 

[wbd]

which is exactly my point. why even flush to begin with, when there has been no proof it does anything.

I happen to agree with you 100% (and k0ijn) on this, and it's why I don't flush.

But if we're having a discussion that involves rejecting theories about flushing that have zero practical merit, then let's make sure to reject the idea that pre-harvest flushing harms your plants (ex: "starving"). It's backed by good science and common sense even, yet cannot be demonstrated.

 

[VanishingToaster]

I happen to agree with you 100% (and k0ijn) on this, and it's why I don't flush.

But if we're having a discussion that involves rejecting theories about flushing that have zero practical merit, then let's make sure to reject the idea that pre-harvest flushing harms your plants (ex: "starving"). It's backed by good science and common sense even, yet cannot be demonstrated.

thought it had been agreed that flushing helped with salt buildup and to clear out and over fed plant, which isn't starving it, just letting it eat what excessively stored. i'm not saying if u dont flush = instant chemmed up bud, but if u've overfed badly, ur gonna taste shit in the bud if its not been dealt with

 

[k0ijn]

I happen to agree with you 100% (and k0ijn) on this, and it's why I don't flush.

But if we're having a discussion that involves rejecting theories about flushing that have zero practical merit, then let's make sure to reject the idea that pre-harvest flushing harms your plants (ex: "starving"). It's backed by good science and common sense even, yet cannot be demonstrated.

I'm not agreeing on pre-harvest flushing not harming your plants.
I myself have said that I think it might lower productivity, since I believe the same conditions as for ryegrass on nutrient storage are applicable for cannabis and therefor I believe that giving your plants deficiency will lower potential yield.
I don't see where (the fact that causing deficiency isn't harmful) this is backed by good science or common sense either.

 

[donmagicjuan]

weed plants are like sponges. do you rinse your sponge before you put it out on the counter or do you leave egg batter and cheese sauce crustys on it before putting it on the counter. i watch as leaves perk up after absorbing a watering. plants draw that shit in. if theres chems in it they will be drawn in. why would you not give plain water right before harvest. for at least a couple feedings not some extreme starving but at least so its not straight up chem water in ur bud right before you chop it. if its full grown u wont lose weight. i hate u trolls whos nute filled bud sparks like a sparkler

 

[Harrekin]

weed plants are like sponges. do you rinse your sponge before you put it out on the counter or do you leave egg batter and cheese sauce crustys on it before putting it on the counter. i watch as leaves perk up after absorbing a watering. plants draw that shit in. if theres chems in it they will be drawn in. why would you not give plain water right before harvest. for at least a couple feedings not some extreme starving but at least so its not straight up chem water in ur bud right before you chop it. if its full grown u wont lose weight. i hate u trolls whos nute filled bud sparks like a sparkler

We're trolls? Well you're a noob that clearly doesn't understand plants..."chem water in the buds"...put your helmet back on before you hurt yourself.

 

[rocpilefsj]

weed plants are like sponges. do you rinse your sponge before you put it out on the counter or do you leave egg batter and cheese sauce crustys on it before putting it on the counter. i watch as leaves perk up after absorbing a watering. plants draw that shit in. if theres chems in it they will be drawn in. why would you not give plain water right before harvest. for at least a couple feedings not some extreme starving but at least so its not straight up chem water in ur bud right before you chop it. if its full grown u wont lose weight. i hate u trolls whos nute filled bud sparks like a sparkler

Weed plants are like sponges is the basis of your argument? I do not flush and notice none of the "myths" that are supposedly associated with not flushing. I am also an asthmatic and if there was built up chems in my buds I would know... I smoke one cigarette and I can't breathe, not the case with ANY weed I smoke. If people are going to bring an argument relating to flushing vs not at least have something to back it up with, not a weed plant is like a sponge that needs rung out.

 

[donmagicjuan]

cause and effect you can watch it happen

 

[Harrekin]

weed plants are like sponges. do you rinse your sponge before you put it out on the counter or do you leave egg batter and cheese sauce crustys on it before putting it on the counter. i watch as leaves perk up after absorbing a watering. plants draw that shit in. if theres chems in it they will be drawn in. why would you not give plain water right before harvest. for at least a couple feedings not some extreme starving but at least so its not straight up chem water in ur bud right before you chop it. if its full grown u wont lose weight. i hate u trolls whos nute filled bud sparks like a sparkler

And buddy if your plants are "perking up" when you water them, its probably a sign they need water more frequently, they should never need "perking up".

I love when the new guy calls the experienced guys trolls whilst trolling a thread himself, stating if he doesn't pull the handle before harvest his plants taste like crap.