Colloidal silver: the working mechanism

[ddimebag]

Hey folks,

I was reading up about colloidal silver and how to use it to make feminized seeds, but I could not find an explanation as to how the process actually works. All I found was that it is an ethylene inhibitor...how does the inhibition of ethylene lead to the production of male flowers instead of female flowers? Can someone explain the mechanism behind this phenomenon?

Thanks

 

[dumdedum]

I would also be intrested to know this

 

[jyermum]

Here's some info .. https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/504757-will-epsom-salt-magnesium-sulphate.html

 

[Guile]

Once upon a time (years ago) when first researching methods to hermaphroditing females for the sake of female seeds I came across only 2 methods that appealed to me. (I never claimed to be the greatest researcher out there).
One was through light manipulation (its what I used for my experiments) the other used an over the counter pain reliever. Sorry I lost track of my old journal/reference log, (the one containing this information, my personal "library of Alexandria") so unfortunately I don't remember which one it was. The point is, it wasn't silver....

Ultimately all this statement boils down to is that the colloidal silver's action/process may not be as simple as something just relating to the "silver" solution. Otherwise there is more than one trigger that initiates this ultimate outcome..

 

[ismokealotofpot]

Its a spray i know how to make it you can buy some also

 

[ismokealotofpot]

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  this one is shorter. you will need 9 volt battery,9v battery connector,pure.999 silver, distilled water,and alligator clips.solder the alligator clips to the wires coming from the battery connector,connect clips to each end of the silver.immerse items of pure silver (it must be pure)into distilled water hook the battery up to the connector.you wont know if its working until the next day there should be a residue on the silver you may need to rewire the silver after each batch.keep the container in a dark place or container because light will deteriorate it and make it dark grey. if that happens it cant be used for feminizing seeds.​

  
  
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[ismokealotofpot]

• I found this Or you can buy the stuff witch would be way easier.How to make your own Silver Colloid Generator.While it has been discovered that 30 volts is the ideal forSilver Colloid production, 27 volts is very effective andhappens to be the convenient result of wiring three 9-voltbatteries together.Therefore,you'll need three 9-volt transistor radio batteries, three battery snap-on lead connectors, 2 insulated alligator clips, 1 "grain-of-wheat" 24 volt 40 mA sub miniature incandescent bulb, a foot of 3/32" heat-shrink insulation tubing, a foot of 2-conductor stranded insulated wire for clip-leads, a small box to put it all in, and 10" of pure silver wire (.999 fine).This should cost under $30.00 for everything. Assuming someskill with a soldering iron, you should spend about thirtyminutes constructing the generator.Solder your three snap-on battery clips in series (red toblack) to provide 27 volts. Connect a 24V incandescent lampin series with either positive or negative output lead.Solder the red insulated alligator clip to the positive (anode)and the black insulated clip to the negative (cathode)2-conductor lead wires. Insulation is shrunk over solderedconnections using a heat gun or hair dryer.Cut your 10" of silver wire in half. Bend top ends of yourtwo 5" silver electrode wires so they can clip over the top rimof a plastic or glass cup (not metal).About 4" of each wire should be submerged.WARNING! Use ONLY pure silver (.999 fine) electrodes. #14 gaugeis the preferred thickness. Pure silver is sometimes availableat electroplating supply companies. Or, inquire at a jewelrystore specializing in silver about who their wholesale supplieris.Do not use sterling silver (.9275) since sterling containscopper and nickel.NICKEL CAN BE TOXIC. (With this in mind, you may want to havea chemical analysis (assay) of your purchased silver in additionto the written word of your supplier.)If the Silver Colloid is to be ingested or injected, be sure touse distilled water. Tap water is fine for other uses, such asfor a topical spray or for plants. Also, before beginning tomake your Colloidal Silver you will need to make a salinesolution for enhancing conductivity.************************************* *************NOTE: Two points of interest since this file was posted; 1) DO NOT USE SALT - just use distilled water 2) An ingot of silver cut in half works better than wire********************************************** ****Saline solution can be made by mixing six ounces of distilledwater with one tea-spoon of sea salt in a separate container.Do not use common table salt as table salt has chemicaladditives. After stirring the salt solution, pour some of thewater into an eye dropper bottle.Now you're ready to make Colloidal Silver. Pour eight ouncesof water into your glass. Add 1 or 2 drops of saline solution(3 drops at the most; if you use too much salt, you'll bemaking silver chloride instead!) to distilled water and stirwith a plastic/non-conductive utensil.Insert silver electrode wires. Placement of wires is not critical,but they must not be touching each other or the process willstop. (You cannot shock yourself in this process so do not beconcerned.)Attach alligator clips to the ends of the silver electrodewires coming over the outside rim of the glass and you willsee a grey mist inside the glass start to peel away from thepositive polarity wire while bubbles of hydrogen rise fromthe other.Laboratory tests show that this method creates a silver colloidof approximately 1 ppm per minute of activation time.Since you are only taking microscopic particles from the silverwire, your silver wire may very well last for years.The brightness of the light bulb is related to the conductivityof the water. It is not necessarily a problem if the bulb isvery dim or even remains dark as long as the process itself isoccurring. (If the bulb is dark you can always consider addingone more drop of saline solution next time.) Do not add salinesolution after process has begun.Of course, when batteries are old, the light will also becomedimmer, signaling it's time for a change. Touch the two alligatorclips together to test the brightness of the bulb as a batterycheck. A fresh set of three alkaline batteries should makeseveral hundred thousand batches of concentrated Silver Colloid.Also, put a few drops of Silver Colloid in the saline solutionto prevent fungus growth.When finished, detach alligator clips. Clean silver electrodewire after each use to remove dark oxide on the anode. Use asmall piece of 1/4" thick nylon kitchen scouring pad to polishdried silver, then wipe with paper napkin to make ready fornext use.Store your Colloidal Silver in dark, non-conductive (and ifplastic, non-reactive) containers, like empty hydrogen peroxidebottles. Keep away from light as even room light will degradecolloids rapidly by turning solution grey or black just asexposure to light darkens the silver in camera film. Stirthoroughly or shake each time before using. Keep cool, but donot refrigerate.In using your own home-made silver colloid generator it willbecome apparent that you now have the power to safely protectyourself, your family, your pets and plants, your community,and (through the dissemination of this information), our nation,from over 650 pathogens, viruses, microbes, fungi and parasites.Upon creating your first batch of Colloidal Silver, you willfind it tastes the same as untreated water. And it won't sting,even in a baby's eyes.Congratulations and bon appetit!
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[ismokealotofpot]

what it does is change the hormones in the plant. causes it to get male flowers. coming from a female plant an pollinating its self it wont have male traits. and will be a stable fem seed. If you stress a plant to induce male flowers its a hermaphrodite and may have hermaphrodite traits later in life. I posted some thing about gene switches a while ago and a bunch of stupid stoners just made fun of me and said I didn't know what i was talking about. every plant has the gene that causes male, female, resin build up, fat leaves and skinny leaves. every plant has the ability to produce all the above. by changing hormone levels in the plant we can activate the gene switch. It happens all the time in nature for instance a trees leafs turn colors and fall off when the light cycle changes in the fall. colloidal silver activates the gene switch

 

[Guile]

what it does is change the hormones in the plant. causes it to get male flowers. coming from a female plant an pollinating its self it wont have male traits. and will be a stable fem seed. If you stress a plant to induce male flowers its a hermaphrodite and may have hermaphrodite traits later in life. I posted some thing about gene switches a while ago and a bunch of stupid stoners just made fun of me and said I didn't know what i was talking about. every plant has the gene that causes male, female, resin build up, fat leaves and skinny leaves. every plant has the ability to produce all the above. by changing hormone levels in the plant we can activate the gene switch. It happens all the time in nature for instance a trees leafs turn colors and fall off when the light cycle changes in the fall. colloidal silver activates the gene switch

Any idea what it is about the colloidal silver that bears influence on hormones to achieve this outcome? How exactly does it work? (not trying to be an ass, just curious)..

 

[somedude247]

what it does is change the hormones in the plant. causes it to get male flowers. coming from a female plant an pollinating its self it wont have male traits. and will be a stable fem seed. If you stress a plant to induce male flowers its a hermaphrodite and may have hermaphrodite traits later in life. I posted some thing about gene switches a while ago and a bunch of stupid stoners just made fun of me and said I didn't know what i was talking about. every plant has the gene that causes male, female, resin build up, fat leaves and skinny leaves. every plant has the ability to produce all the above. by changing hormone levels in the plant we can activate the gene switch. It happens all the time in nature for instance a trees leafs turn colors and fall off when the light cycle changes in the fall. colloidal silver activates the gene switch

Im not saying your wrong, but I heard NOT to pollinate the same plant you get the pollen from. A breeder I follow dont use the silver until week 7 of flower, then waters with it and collects the pollen to use on other plants.

 

[somedude247]

Any idea what it is about the colloidal silver that bears influence on hormones to achieve this outcome? How exactly does it work? (not trying to be an ass, just curious)..

Not exactly sure, I just know it creates a stress level high enough to cause male flowers on female plants. And you can limit the exposer by covering the plant and just doing a certain branch. The whole plant wont stress, just where it was treated with silver.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

the silver ions in the water trigger the gene switch I don't know how else to explain it it just turns it on Is built into the genetic code of the plant. In other words it is what it is.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

From what I was reading the plant that was sprayed with cs is toxic and shouldn't be smoked or eaten. the seeds will be good to use though.

 

[ddimebag]

After some more research, I have a somewhat better understanding of the process. By default, a cannabis plant is male. The hormone ethylene is what tells it to make female flowers instead of male flowers. Ethylene production requires the presence of copper ions, which are locked up by the silver. Therefore, the plant thinks it is male, and will start producing male flowers. It doesn't seem to be a result of stress, where the female plant grows a couple of male flowers as a last ditch attempt to pass on its genetics. If silver colloid treatment does not stress the plant into hermaphrodism, this must mean that no extra hermaphroditic traits are passed down to subsequent generations. This would make silver colloid treatment more effective than techniques which rely on stress. Would this be an accurate description of the process? Did I get anything wrong?

What I would still like to know is what role the copper ions (or molecules) play in the production of female flowers, and how the absence of copper leads to the production of male flowers. Are there any botanists of biochemists here who could explain this?

 

[smokey de bear]

Now I don't want to offend anyone but I dont quite see the advantage of fem. seeds. Now I know you get females and that equals bud, but it also means no males to create new genetics. In life just like everything else out there is genetics which every offspring is slightly different meaning were not always smoking the same exact genetics all the time, now I know some of you will say well cloning is the same. Yes it is but that grower chose to have the same genetics as the mother time and time again, atlease with non fem seeds you have a shot at getting a male and making slightly different babies, so your plants genetics could always be changing.

I dunno sorry it's just my beef, cause the other day I went to look at seeds and noticed theyre almost all fem now or auto flowering at the local shop which is no good to me. Fem seeds is like sterilising these wonderful natural plants, imagine all the different strains in the wild if they were aloud to grow and polinate themselves you would have different plants every year depending on the males and femal strains around. Sure they wont be as stable as strains but they also wouldn't be the same all the time such as with Fem seeds. Just not natural to me, too convinient like taking a shortcut which usually ends up bringing you back a few steps in the long run.

Again sorry if I offended anyone, Just very against this practise of breeding seeds to produce only female offspring, i see where they have theyre uses such as small cab's where you need to have female right away for medication, but other then that please start non fem seeds and give breeding a try not hard at all, especially after reading the canabis breeders bible lot's of good info.

 

[Guile]

Now I don't want to offend anyone but I dont quite see the advantage of fem. seeds. Now I know you get females and that equals bud, but it also means no males to create new genetics. In life just like everything else out there is genetics which every offspring is slightly different meaning were not always smoking the same exact genetics all the time, now I know some of you will say well cloning is the same. Yes it is but that grower chose to have the same genetics as the mother time and time again, atlease with non fem seeds you have a shot at getting a male and making slightly different babies, so your plants genetics could always be changing.

I dunno sorry it's just my beef, cause the other day I went to look at seeds and noticed theyre almost all fem now or auto flowering at the local shop which is no good to me. Fem seeds is like sterilising these wonderful natural plants, imagine all the different strains in the wild if they were aloud to grow and polinate themselves you would have different plants every year depending on the males and femal strains around. Sure they wont be as stable as strains but they also wouldn't be the same all the time such as with Fem seeds. Just not natural to me, too convinient like taking a shortcut which usually ends up bringing you back a few steps in the long run.

Again sorry if I offended anyone, Just very against this practise of breeding seeds to produce only female offspring, i see where they have theyre uses such as small cab's where you need to have female right away for medication, but other then that please start non fem seeds and give breeding a try not hard at all, especially after reading the canabis breeders bible lot's of good info.

I think most people that buy feminized seeds do so predominantly because of space or plant (count) limitations or simply don't plan to get involved in a breeding program.

I do see the value of males in a breeding program, I don't think anyone's offended by that. With the availability of seeds today unless you stumble across something really special that you want to share, its just no very space efficient for the limited resource grower (or those constrained by law). Once males cease to be recognized as "plants" under the law I will gladly afford them some space in my garden, but until then they come at a cost of productive plants.

 

[smokey de bear]

I think most people that buy feminized seeds do so predominantly because of space or plant (count) limitations or simply don't plan to get involved in a breeding program.

I do see the value of males in a breeding program, I don't think anyone's offended by that. With the availability of seeds today unless you stumble across something really special that you want to share, its just no very space efficient for the limited resource grower (or those constrained by law). Once males cease to be recognized as "plants" under the law I will gladly afford them some space in my garden, but until then they come at a cost of productive plants.

So why not stick to clones from a relyable mom instead of intruducing some strange substance to alter plant hormones in order to sterilise a strain. Not only are clones going to be female if momma is as we all know, but your also skipping that whole germ. seedling phase sending you straight to Veg finishing them off quicker too if time n space is the issue.

 

[Guile]

So why not stick to clones from a relyable mom instead of intruducing some strange substance to alter plant hormones in order to sterilise a strain. Not only are clones going to be female if momma is as we all know, but your also skipping that whole germ. seedling phase sending you straight to Veg finishing them off quicker too if time n space is the issue.

Absolutely, but you need to get mother plants somewhere... So you order up a package of seeds, and grow them out enough so you can take a clones from each and flower them.. Biased on yield, potency, and growth characteristics you select the mother you want to keep and flower out what remains (or evict them from your garden)..

With feminized seeds every plant has the chance to be that most ideal mother, however if not atleast you're not stuck with male plants all tangled in one of your flowering tables.. (with males you loose a table either way, by the rotting roots left behind when culling it otherwise pollinating everything around it).

There's just no amount of spin you can put on it that will make someone want seedy MMJ... Besides you gotta be able to take a certain amount of pride in the products you offer your patents too (even if they are self medicating or just recreational users).

 

[jyermum]

After some more research, I have a somewhat better understanding of the process. By default, a cannabis plant is male. The hormone ethylene is what tells it to make female flowers instead of male flowers. Ethylene production requires the presence of copper ions, which are locked up by the silver. Therefore, the plant thinks it is male, and will start producing male flowers. It doesn't seem to be a result of stress, where the female plant grows a couple of male flowers as a last ditch attempt to pass on its genetics. If silver colloid treatment does not stress the plant into hermaphrodism, this must mean that no extra hermaphroditic traits are passed down to subsequent generations. This would make silver colloid treatment more effective than techniques which rely on stress. Would this be an accurate description of the process? Did I get anything wrong?

What I would still like to know is what role the copper ions (or molecules) play in the production of female flowers, and how the absence of copper leads to the production of male flowers. Are there any botanists of biochemists here who could explain this?

Exactly. Like you said the blocking of Ethylene does not stress the plant into being a herm. The resulting seeds made with the pollen will have no more tendencies to herm that the cut that was sprayed to create the pollen.

 

[ddimebag]

The reason i am interested in CS in the first place is not to make feminized seeds per se, but to be able to cross two female plants. It is a lot easier to tell if a female is worth breeding with than a male...also for people with limited number of plants and limited resources, this would allow them to do a little amateur breeding without wasting space and electricity on males. I just got some silver wire earlier this week...gonna try and make some CS one of these days and try to cross my OG Kush with my White Rhino...

So yeah, anyone know what role copper plays in determining a plants gender?

ddimebag