man do i hate it when apologists try to obfuscate the truth with flat out LIES
What did I say that was a lie?
I note, incidentally, that you didn't answer a single question I posed to you.
Again, would you care to explain how the customers who eagerly fork over hundreds of dollars of their hard-earned cash for couch-lock indicas are being "robbed and cheated"?
not ONE motherfucking dealer out of 2 dozen or more in 25 years has EVER sold me anything but fuck off and die bitch indicrap. not only that, but i have to deal with soon to be muted sheep like you who DEFEND that status quo! quit trying to defend your greed based fascist regime with lies.
I didn't "defend" anything; I explained to you why the pure landrace Sativa strains fell out of the US market roughly 25 years ago.
Apparently, you'd rather believe in far-fetched conspiracy theories about greed and personal animus, than simple explanations of why its not commercially viable to grow sativas indoors in this marketplace.
Here's another question I know you won't bother to answer. . .if dealers are so "greedy" as you claim, why would they NOT want to make money selling you what you "demand"?
If, as you claim, that fully 1/5 of smokers DEMAND pure sativa plants, why aren't these greedy dealers jumping in front of one another to make those sales?
the FACT is at least 20% of smokers like me DEMAND to get high and want nothing to do with afghanicrap EVER and another 25% or more at least prefer getting high with those who demand getting stoneds only being the smallest minority so fuck your supply & demand theories all to hell.
I'd argue that 100% of "smokers like you DEMAND" to get high. Unfortunately for you, 100% of 1 is still 1.
Any other smokers who want sativa plants simply grow them themselves and don't whine about not being able to buy it from some sleazy street-corner dealer.
You wouldn't catch me complaining that my local gas station only stocks Bud and Miller, and how there is some "EVIL FASCIST" conspiracy to keep the GOOD beers out of gas stations!
if you don't like indicrap contempt, then you must be another greedy ass cash crapper who gets their panties in a bunch whenever anyone dares to point out that you're growing useless schwag many wouldn't walk across the street to take a dump on.
Things are awfully black and white in your universe, aren't they?
Honestly, I don't care one way or the other about your contempt for indica strains. That's really your problem.
Again, if you don't want to buy that product, then don't. But its pretty foolish to assume that everyone else in the marketplace is willingly (let alone repeatedly) buying products they don't want.
As to what I might be growing, this isn't about me, and the name-calling just reflects badly on you.
keep your lies to yourself whydontcha? there IS a demand for getting high and a million asshole dealers who refuse to provide the service because it's less profitable and they have no pride in their gear or scruples to give people what they want. think i'm the only one who hates the status quo?
I'm afraid this is just more economic illiteracy.
Demand doesn't equal supply.
Just because you "demand" Santa Marta, doesn't mean it will magically appear at your dealers' doorstep to sell to you.
They're not growing it for export in Columbia anymore. Where are they supposed to get it from?
Hating the status quo is neither necessary nor sufficient to change it.
quit fucking defending the status quo that does NOTHING for those of us who have absolutely zero use for your afghanicrap. if you don't like to hear complaints against it, grow some actual good bud and take away any reason for us to complain. otherwise, you're a fascist defender of an evil greedy nazi regime that attacks any descension. wahat are you? some kind of fucking commie that doesn't believe in free speech? whatever you are, don't call yourself an american if you can't take democracy in action
Now THIS is funny.
First of all, you haven't the foggiest clue what I grow or have grown in my time so why on earth should I care what your utterly baseless opinion is? I'm supposed to be disturbed because YOU might not like it? LOL! Again, this isn't about me (or my nationality!) anyway.
Yes, freedom of speech does give you the right to be a condescending prick if you so choose, but no amount of your ranting is going to improve the yields of sativa plants or make it worthwhile for time and cash-strapped indoor commercial growers to grow them!
Lastly, the "Democracy" you trumpet has determined that cannabis is illegal. If you respect democracy so much, why are you demanding that people violate the law?
i'm about sick and tired of being attacked by the forces of evil for questioning their greedy piece of shit empire! don't try to claim the higher (IRONIC!) ground defending greed and trying to silence anyone that questions it or your lies. you lose. and now you're muted as i'm not going to indulge you another second.
The "forces of evil"?
You know, I've heard that smoking sativa-strains can make you paranoid.
Didn't realize the changes were permanent, though.
the FACT is that 99% of the time anyone that grows for money sucks afghani dick and anyone that grows for quality doesn't give a shit about money so either way, you can't get high anywhere. the harder purveyors of afghani try to silence me for demanding to get high, the more i want to smash their skulls in. it's better to just mute them and let them think their reign is absolute and unquestioned. i'm done listening to your lies and obfuscation enemy of truth and customer satisfaction.
That's OK, since its pretty clear that nothing I said registered anyway.
In your universe, apparently, its impossible for someone to want to put a high-end product in any marketplace, even if said product sells for a higher price and command higher margins.
what made you think that fact eludes me? the fact is they're clearly in the MINORITY though and come on... they have NO PROBLEM getting what they want. how many effing ways do i have to say "i've wasted 25 years of my life and thousands of dollars" before i can get through to you? i'm not muting you as you're keeping it civil but fuckin' A... WHERE ARE THE MOTHERFUCKING SATIVAS ON THE STREETS? show me where they are and then you'll instantly shut me up with facts.
Gosh . . .(slaps head). . .THERE ARE NO SATIVAS ON THE STREETS!
You sure got me there!
That's because in the 1970s, drug dealers and smugglers didn't care about such lowly things as "making money". But now, those scumbag drug dealers just want to make money!
You know, I wonder if there was some lunatic Nepalese immigrant in the USA in the early 1970s whining about the crazy sativa marijuana, and how he couldn't get stoned with any good indicas, and why the drug dealers were too greedy to import high end hash from Afghanistan!
THAT is my point that i just can't get through to those of you who are ruled by your emotions and maintaining the status quo. you just aren't hearing me though because all you can do is focus on my RIGHTEOUS outrage and refuse to think about the reasons behind it.
No, the reason you can't "get through to me" is because your arguments are full of invective, and simply make no sense. I'm listening, but all I'm hearing is a bunch ill-informed ranting about greed and name calling.
I'm also not the one with the problem here. I like sativas too, but personally, I don't give a rat's ass what kind of weed is, or isn't, on the commercial market. Would you care to guess why not?
if the market were NOT flooded by greedy assholes whose ONLY concerns are how much money they can make and how fast, then there would fucking be sativas on the streets but there aren't! as i've said before too, there are even growers out there who STEAL their money off their customers growing indicrap and then take it to the rare connoisseur grower and get haze for their own headstash. they won't even smoke their own fucking gear. how can ANYONE sit there attacking me and NOT the thief who knows his own stuff sucks?
Back to economics 101.
Greed is a CONSTANT, like GRAVITY. Drug dealers today aren't any more. . .or less. . .greedy than they were 25 years ago.
They were in it for the money in 1975, in 1985, in 1995, in 2005, and they're still in it for the money today.
However, the MJ business is fundamentally like any other. If you want to make money, you still have to please the customers.
The lack of sativas in the marketplace has NOTHING to do with greed, and EVERYTHING to do with the difference between a crop that was primarily grown OUTDOORS through the early 1980s and INDOORS since then. Get it?
As to dealers wanting to smoke something better than their own product, do you think Augustus Busch VII drinks nothing but Bud Lite?
until you start putting sativas on the streets for those who demand them, you have zero cause to attack me.
I didn't attack you; I pointed out that your reasoning is flawed. The character of commercially available cannabis in the USA didn't change because of "greed", it changed because of significant changes in SUPPLY. Again, sativa plants have to be grown OUTDOORS, WAY South of the American border then smuggled into the USA. What these things weren't practical anymore, INDOOR growers switched to indica-hybrids out of necessity, and the "bales" disappeared.
Incidentally if you want sativa-dominant weed, you can get it anywhere in the USA. . .so long as you are willing to develop a connection and pay the right price for it. Slap down enough cash on the table, and someone will bring it to you.
So let me flip this over on its head.
Why are you so cheap that you won't pay for the MJ you "demand"? Are you TOO GREEDY to pay a fair price for it?
when i grow my stuff that takes a dump on yours, i'll give it away for free
When my grandmother sprouts wings, she'll be a stealth bomber.
By the way, does this "when" formulation mean that
you've never actually grown a single plant in your entire life, let alone a pure landrace sativa?
If you've actually TRIED doing so, you might have some appreciation for why its not typically done indoors on a commercial scale. If you haven't, you ought to try it sometime; you'll learn something useful.
If you ARE growing indoors yourself, then what on earth are you complaining about?
I'm really not going to respond to the rest of your post, because I've wasted too much of my life on this post already, and like the rest, its long on name-calling, and short on reason.
The only thing I'm going to add is, that if I were you, I wouldn't be holding my breath for a return of the Panama Red, Acapulco or Columbian Golds on your streetcorner anytime soon.
