what you think about advanced nutrients??

[presentdevil]

im really interested in getting their new sensi grow/bloom ''ph perfect'' and just want to know what people think of it that have USED IT. i dont want to read another thread of people bashing it and posting these stupid oregon state ''analysis'' of the nutrients. i just want to hear what people think that have grown with it because right now i am using fox farms for soil grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom and i want to yield as much as i possibly can.

 

[phillipchristian]

+rep for having the balls to post on this forum that you want to use Advanced Nutrients. The haters will be here shortly. I use them; the pH Perfect ain't exactly perfect. Depending on whether you are growing in soil or hydro and if you are using an R/O filter you may have to make some adjustments. As far as quality of buds I think they are just as good or better than any other base nutrient out there. I've tried 3 others and I'm getting ready to do a side by side comparison with Dyna Grow in May. I have used AN for around 5-6 years and I love them. They use top quality nutrients and stand behind their product in my opinion. Plus they have a really great support number you can call and speak with someone knowledgeable. Good luck.

 

[squarepush3r]

AN has a good cannabis formula, I am skeptical of their 'ph' technology, because it usually means complicating things, adding more ingredients/chemicals/stabilizers/etc that may have unintended negative consequences... KISS is a nice philosophy.

 

[throwdo]

i use gh flora series but id give advanced a try someday

 

[mydixiewrecked]

im really interested in getting their new sensi grow/bloom ''ph perfect'' and just want to know what people think of it that have USED IT. i dont want to read another thread of people bashing it and posting these stupid oregon state ''analysis'' of the nutrients. i just want to hear what people think that have grown with it because right now i am using fox farms for soil grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom and i want to yield as much as i possibly can.

I used them once, but then i learned about nutrients, Phillip, nice first post.a thread to stir up the shit,HMMMMM

 

[dankerous]

I have heard advance mislabel products and non of their range has iron in,a essential micro nutrient

At present (October 2010) the ‘Oregon Department of Agriculture’ has issued Advanced Nutrients with five counts of stop sale violation, fifteen counts of selling unregistered products and eighteen counts of mislabeling. In addition, actions for sample deficiencies are in progress.

Advanced Nutrients 0-15-40 Big Bud

On April 29, 2009 the Department found this product being offered for sale or
distribution at Northern Light and Garden in Beaverton, Oregon. Subsequent analysis found it was deficient in magnesium (Mg), L-Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Glycine, LHistidine, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Tyrosine, and L-Valine:​

Constituent	Concentration (%) Claimed on Label	Concentration Found By Analysis
Available Phosphate	15	16.7
Soluble Potash	40	40.4
Magnesium	7.0	0.0148
Total Nitrogen	none claimed	0.944
Alanine - Total	0.3	0.348
Ammonia - Total	none claimed	0.225
Arginine - Total	0.8	0.194
Aspartic Acid-Total	1.2	0.770
Glutamic Acid-Total	0.4	1.23
Glycine - Total	0.7	0.146
Histidine - Total	0.4	0.132
Isoleucine - Total	1.1	0.475
Leucine - Total	0.9	0.747
Lysine - Total	0.2	0.624
Phenylalanine-TotaI	0.6	0.239
Proline - Total	0.7	0.394
Serine - Total	0.4	0.381
Threonine - Total	0.3	0.504
Tyrosine - Total	1.3	0.209
Valine - Total	1.1	0.413

…These deficiencies constituted false, misleading or deceptive label information, and the label did not accurately reflect the composition of the product, which was thus mislabeled in violation of ORS 633.366(1 )(a)…. “​

Results of Analysis – Heavy Metals (Big Bud)​

Element	Lab Method	Results	Results Submitted to Support Product Registration
Arsenic (As)	EPA 3050B, 6010B	16.2 ppm	0.8 ppm
Cadmium (Cd)	EPA 3050B, 6010B	< 5 ppm	< 0.1 ppm
Mercury (Hg)	EPA 7471A	< 0.2 ppm	< 0.001 ppm
Lead (Pb)	EPA 3050B, 6010B	10.7 ppm	<0.5 ppm
Nickel (Ni)	EPA 3050B, 6010B	< 5 ppm	0.6 ppm

That chart a- Shows the lack of Iron,and B-shows a massive amount of heavy metals in their products, hmmm I personally would avoid smoking such things,hence why I use house and gardens bio range(any one that wants to knock this needs to know the guy who owns HnG is the guy who made most feed formulas for other companies and got pissed with being ripped off not paid for his work and not getting credit so made HnG and made better products than the ones he made other companies),Also he is froma family of gardeners not just part of some chemical producing company that cares about nothing but profits,and yeah HnG is more expensive,but goes further,and my smoke is always far nicer than my friends that use canna / advanced etc,.Still I am not saying use this or that,that is entirely up to the person,and their way of doing things,just giving some info

 

[Jack Harer]

AN has a known tendency to exaggerate and make false claims, they are over-priced for so-so nutrients! Their nutes lack certain key elements. They DO have a marketing firm that I would LOVE to have running my advertising though..................I don't use 'em, there are better nutrients out there for far less money and no hype.

 

[throwdo]

what do you recomend herer

 

[phillipchristian]

I used them once, but then i learned about nutrients, Phillip, nice first post.a thread to stir up the shit,HMMMMM

I told you they'd be here shortly. Even though the OP specifically said he didn't want to hear it they always show up anyway. Not trying to start shit at all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You have to do what is best for you in your grow and no one knows that better than you. I will never say one nute is better than the other cause different strains, environments, and applications produce different results. To each their own. I am just giving props to the OP for starting one of these threads and asking GAAN (Growers Against Advanced Nutrients ) to stay out of it. Wishful thinking on his part.

 

[dankerous]

Yeah Jack knows what I am saying, Advanced are ok,I rate them as the greenhouse of nutrients,they have a few ok products,but most are miss sold,why would they spend so much on marketing, if they had a good product word of mouth would spread it,you only spend that much on marketing if you care about nothing other than money,your products should sell themselves if they are good,and certain companys products cost more due to them actually putting time and effort into making their wares.Buy cheap get cheap,spend more,all my mates that have advanced use it once,and either move on to another product or back to the original product they were using,only people I know that want to cheap out on products are commercial growers,and they arent smoking it so that is why.

 

[Jack Harer]

.Chemical wise? I'm strictly organic, but if I were to BUY nutes, I'd buy the Espoma line. Other than that, any decent chemical nutrient is gonna be on par with the competition. Scotts/Miracle Gro didn't become a household staple because they suck! Peters, Schultz, Jobes, Ferti-lome are all good ferts if one knows what they are doing.
MJ doesn't tolerate quite as much nutrients as your every day house plant, so many folks get in trouble in the beginning with most any nute.

 

[mydixiewrecked]

I told you they'd be here shortly. Even though I specifically said i didn't want to hear it they always show up anyway. Not trying to start shit at all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You have to do what is best for you in your grow and no one knows that better than you. I will never say one nute is better than the other cause different strains, environments, and applications produce different results. To each their own. I am just giving props to ME for starting one of these threads and asking GAAN (Growers Against Advanced Nutrients ) to stay out of it. Wishful thinking on MY part.

fixed it for ya

 

[phillipchristian]

Yeah Jack knows what I am saying, Advanced are ok,I rate them as the greenhouse of nutrients,they have a few ok products,but most are miss sold,why would they spend so much on marketing, if they had a good product word of mouth would spread it,you only spend that much on marketing if you care about nothing other than money,your products should sell themselves if they are good,and certain companys products cost more due to them actually putting time and effort into making their wares.Buy cheap get cheap,spend more,all my mates that have advanced use it once,and either move on to another product or back to the original product they were using,only people I know that want to cheap out on products are commercial growers,and they arent smoking it so that is why.

You are definitely entitled to your opinion on AN and I'm not gonna argue with you. If you think they are shit then they are because you only have to convince yourself.

Though, your economic theory is HIGHLY flawed. You don't spend more money on marketing because you have a shit product. Everyone on this forum leeps saying that. Go talk to NIKE, Microsoft, Coca Cola, etc... and ask them why they spend more on marketing than anyone else. It's because they have the money to do so and they realize that advertising has the strongest corellation to sales. You spend it because you have it and you want to keep your market share. Not because you have shitty product. They don't go hand-in-hand.

 

[dankerous]

Hahahaha made me laugh man, cheers

fixed it for ya

 

[phillipchristian]

fixed it for ya

Now I remember you...you are the one who got booted and then started a second account just to follow me around and talk shit. LMAO. I wish the site hadn't been hacked so that I could get those posts from a week ago. Too funny. I guess jealousy is the highest form of flattery. Also, try and do some fact checking...the OP clearly states he doesn't want to hear any AN bashing. But go right ahead and trol another thread and get booted again.

 

[mydixiewrecked]

Now I remember you...you are the one who got booted and then started a second account just to follow me around and talk shit. LMAO. I wish the site hadn't been hacked so that I could get those posts from a week ago. Too funny. I guess jealousy is the highest form of flattery. Also, try and do some fact checking...I clearly states I doesn't want to hear any AN bashing. But go right ahead and trol another thread and get booted again.

<<<join date 2010????

fixed it for ya again

 

[dankerous]

Im sorry,but I work in the seed industry right,and most of the better companies have less products,and advertise less, Greenhouse get more complaints come back about them than you can imagine,yet seedism/dready bobs seeds/connoissuer genetics/ (all top selling seed breeders) for instance I haven't heard a single complain on in 5 years, greenhouse I get many a week,so generally advise people against them,I also chat to a lot of growers cus of my job, and also know a lot of grower that would agree that advanced is shit,if I get told by numerous people that have used a product that it is inferior or just plain crap I am not going to test it for myself,and atleast 5 of my close mates have used the stuff,while the buds don't look bad,even with half strength feed it tastes bad,like over fed buds,.

Also non of the above examples you use are relevant,as most of those companys do produce a crap product,they just use marketing and NLP neuro linguistics programming, to sell you shit and make you think its amazing,as thats what makes them rich as that is all they care about the $$$$, a good company that has a good moral standing and produces good product will sell well with out wasting cash on advertising

You are definitely entitled to your opinion on AN and I'm not gonna argue with you. If you think they are shit then they are because you only have to convince yourself.

Though, your economic theory is HIGHLY flawed. You don't spend more money on marketing because you have a shit product. Everyone on this forum leeps saying that. Go talk to NIKE, Microsoft, Coca Cola, etc... and ask them why they spend more on marketing than anyone else. It's because they have the money to do so and they realize that advertising has the strongest corellation to sales. You spend it because you have it and you want to keep your market share. Not because you have shitty product. They don't go hand-in-hand.

 

[Jack Harer]

You are definitely entitled to your opinion on AN and I'm not gonna argue with you. If you think they are shit then they are because you only have to convince yourself.

Though, your economic theory is HIGHLY flawed. You don't spend more money on marketing because you have a shit product. Everyone on this forum leeps saying that. Go talk to NIKE, Microsoft, Coca Cola, etc... and ask them why they spend more on marketing than anyone else. It's because they have the money to do so and they realize that advertising has the strongest corellation to sales. You spend it because you have it and you want to keep your market share. Not because you have shitty product. They don't go hand-in-hand.

You're absolutely right about the need for advertising. And I dont fault them a bit for it, or thier products. It's the outlandish claims they make that gall me. They all but say that if you use thier products you'll have a bigger dick.

 

[phillipchristian]

Im sorry,but I work in the seed industry right,and most of the better companies have less products,and advertise less, Greenhouse get more complaints come back about them than you can imagine,yet seedism/dready bobs seeds/connoissuer genetics/ (all top selling seed breeders) for instance I haven't heard a single complain on in 5 years, greenhouse I get many a week,so generally advise people against them,I also chat to a lot of growers cus of my job, and also know a lot of grower that would agree that advanced is shit,if I get told by numerous people that have used a product that it is inferior or just plain crap I am not going to test it for myself,and atleast 5 of my close mates have used the stuff,while the buds don't look bad,even with half strength feed it tastes bad,like over fed buds,.

Also non of the above examples you use are relevant,as most of those companys do produce a crap product,they just use marketing and NLP neuro linguistics programming, to sell you shit and make you think its amazing,as thats what makes them rich as that is all they care about the $$$$, a good company that has a good moral standing and produces good product will sell well with out wasting cash on advertising

The majority of people on this forum that I have seen talking shit about AN have never really used it. That's where I don't understand. I've used 4 different nutrient lines in 12 years growing and AN is the best for me. I also know a lot of growers who agree and some who don't like AN either. I just think it is illogical to make a negative or positive comment about any product without having used it. It would be like me talking shit about Fox Farms even though I have never used it. I just wouldn't. I think a lot of that comes from the counter culture of marijuana growing which seems to be in direct conflict with the image that AN has decided to portray. Hey, I'm not gonna lie...they play the marketing game well. But so do NIKE, Apple and Microsoft. None of which produces a shit product. Because according to your previous theory, if they did then no one would buy them. Advertising is the strongest form of brand management and sales technique available to a company. If you are the largest cannibus nutrient company around then I think it would be stupid not to spend money on marketing. History is riddled with companies that believed they were so large and so popular that they didn't need to spend as much on marketing and were eventually consumed (Pan Am, Converse, IBM, etc...). I can't think of 1 industry leading firm that does not spend large sums on marketing.

 

[dankerous]

I will agree with some of your point,but why would I waste my money on nutes,that my friends have been sold,that they used once and then gave away etc as it wasnt good?,seriously that would be pure silliness, the growers I know are all on top of things too,I don't smoke crap so don't hang with people that produce crap.
Also,microsoft is highly flawed,nike are just shoes they are no better than any other shoes,they just make people think they are by having their symbol every where,thats my point,there is a big difference between quality of products and people thinking something is good as they see it every where,its called manipulation,make some one think your product is better as you advertise it more,while I agree its horses for courses,they whole advertising thing is all about manipulating new customers into buying your product,not keeping existing customers,all they want is your money then to run,as they can replace you with another person due to their advertising convincing people its good,just like greenhouse do,people assume as arjan says he is the king of cannabis and cus he blankets the market in GHS b/s marketing products that they are better than say serious seeds who are less active in advertisement but are still going strong 20 years on,.

The majority ofpeople on this forum that I have seen talking shit about AN have never really used it. That's where I don't understand. I've used 4 different nutrient lines in 12 years growing and AN is the best for me. I also know a lot of growers who agree and some who don't like AN either. I just think it is illogical to make a negative or positive comment about any product without having used it. It would be like me talking shit about Fox Farms even though I have never used it. I just wouldn't. I think a lot of that comes from the counter culture of marijuana growing which seems to be in direct conflict with the image that AN has decided to portray. Hey, I'm not gonna lie...they play the marketing game well. But so do NIKE, Apple and Microsoft. None of which produces a shit product. Because according to your previous theory, if they did then no one would buy them. Advertising is the strongest form of brand management and sales technique available to a company. If you are the largest cannibus nutrient company around then I think it would be stupid not to spend money on marketing. History is riddled with companies that believed they were so large and so popular that they didn't need to spend as much on marketing and were eventually consumed (Pan Am, Converse, IBM, etc...). I can't think of 1 leading industry leading firm that does not spend large sums on marketing.