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tryingtogrow89

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Please note I'm in no way saying what happened categorically, just I like to digest all the facts and come to my own assumptions until fact proves for or otherwise.

I just thought a viewpoint without the "racial side" that seems engrained in all Americans minds would be useful. We don't have interracial tensions here and as a result don't look at things from a racial side.
I dont understand why it seems engrained in americans. I mean we have a black president for christ sake, cant we put the race thing to rest? its old and out dated.
 

Harrekin

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I dont understand why it seems engrained in americans. I mean we have a black president for christ sake, cant we put the race thing to rest? its old and out dated.
I agree, but American society is so fractionalized, it's truely bizarre to behold from the outside. People genuinely HATE each other purely by the colour of their skin, without ever knowing the person. It's an alien concept to most of the world, especially in a 1st world country.
 

tryingtogrow89

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Read this just released.
Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”
“His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.
The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.”
Jackson, for example, recently said Martin’s death shows how “blacks are under attack” and “targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business.” (SEE ALSO: Jesse Jackson says Trayvon Martin ‘murdered and martyred’)
George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain, killed Martin, a 17-year-old black man who was unarmed at the time of his death, last month. Zimmerman has claimed to have shot Martin in self-defense and has not been charged with a crime.
But Bryant, who explores the topic of black-on-black crime in his new film “Runaway Slave,” said people like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”
“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”
Bryant said he wishes civil rights leaders were protesting those problems.
“Why not be angry about the wholesale murder that goes on in the streets of Newark and Chicago?” he asked. “Why isn’t somebody angry about that six-year-old girl who was killed on her steps last weekend in a cross fire when two gang members in Chicago start shooting at each other? Why is there no outrage about that?”
Bryant said he worries that “people like Sharpton and those on the left” will make Martin’s death a campaign issue in the presidential race.
He speculated that they will “turn this evolving tragedy of this young man into fodder to say… if you don’t re-elect Obama then you will have unbridled events or circumstances like this happening in the streets to young men wearing hoodies.” (RELATED: Herman Cain criticizes ‘swirling rhetoric’ after Martin shooting)
He also criticized President Obama for his “nebulous statement” responding to Martin’s death that “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
“What does that mean?” Bryant asked. “What was the purpose in that?”
 

londonfog

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All the Martin apologists are still missing the point, if he'd answered the Neighbourhood Watch guys questions without freaking out and trying to give a beat down he'd still be alive. "I'm heading up to my Dads from the store" could've saved his life. Instead "No_Limits_Nigga" (his twitter name) wanted to get more rep for beating another guy (he'd beaten up a bus driver only weeks before). He's also seen on Facebook with his friends saying "Get a phone, we need plant".

But Treyvon was a TOTALLY innocent kid, yeah fucking right... Not that he deserved to die, but if a 6' 3'' 17 year old had me on the ground, I'd use whatever force I had available to end said assault.

Lets face it, Treyvon fancied himself a tough guy pot dealer with a grill and gang member friends (also seen on Facebook).
Who made this guy the Captain of the Neighborhood Watch ??? What type of training did he receive to do this???? Who gave him the right to demand that anyone answer his questions???? Why did Zimmerman get out the car after he was told not to follow. Martin had just as much right to walk around as Zimmerman.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
If you mean by posting on this site, thats funny. If that is what you meant i believe you're right.
<ot> Not just this site. I believe NSA and similar organizations have, by now, the tech to monitor the entire 'net and all cell phone calls. "The right to privacy" may have become a polite, old-fashioned fiction.
 

tryingtogrow89

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<ot> Not just this site. I believe NSA and similar organizations have, by now, the tech to monitor the entire 'net and all cell phone calls. "The right to privacy" may have become a polite, old-fashioned fiction.
Yeah i agree there is actually mounds of documents on how they moniter everything, even the cia head came out and said they can spy on you through modern appliances. Like fridges and washers and dryers.
 

bundee1

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I dont understand why it seems engrained in americans. I mean we have a black president for christ sake, cant we put the race thing to rest? its old and out dated.
This is exactly why its so sinister. People dont want to talk about it anymore. Its old when it doesnt affect you. Ill call it old when half the posts in this forum disappear. Stupid pictures, taunting, Abner Louima, Amadou Diallo. Just because we have a black president doesnt mean there arent people spitting on black congressmen and calling them niggers.

Im sorry if the truly innocent are tired of hearing this shit it does get annoying but to silence discussion by pretending its been fixed is dangerous to everyone.

Al Sharpton is a douchebag race hustler (Tawana Brawley); hate him, not Trayvon.
 

Harrekin

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Who made this guy the Captain of the Neighborhood Watch ??? What type of training did he receive to do this???? Who gave him the right to demand that anyone answer his questions???? Why did Zimmerman get out the car after he was told not to follow. Martin had just as much right to walk around as Zimmerman.
Yes however as a stranger in a private gated community, you can probably expect to be asked questions, regardless of what "skin you're in". Had he said "I'm heading up to my Dads place" he would've been let go on his way as an innocent, free person.

However a fight occurred. I tried to use character to fill in the blanks precluding real factual evidence. If you disagree that's cool, that's what the site is here for. But the presumption that a bloodthirsty cop-wannabe gunned down an "innocent fresh faced teen" is somewhat preposterous given the facts ignored by the same media. Look at the picture of Martin they use, then go read his Facebook/Twitter and look at the actual pictures (gang signs and all) and then try reimagine what MAY have happened.

Its all speculation at this point anyways, so mines just as accurate as yours for now ;)
 

desert dude

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I agree, but American society is so fractionalized, it's truely bizarre to behold from the outside. People genuinely HATE each other purely by the colour of their skin, without ever knowing the person. It's an alien concept to most of the world, especially in a 1st world country.
We have an industry that caters to racial animosities and stokes the resentments as often as possible. On the other hand, you Euros are no strangers to racial animosities: remember the riots in Paris a few years ago? The integration of all the Muslim immigrants to various Euro countries is not working out nearly as well as it has in America. So, don't get too inflated with a sense of self-satisfaction.

Just because friendly conversation is hard to recognize when written, let me point out that this post is not mean spirited.
 

tryingtogrow89

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This is exactly why its so sinister. People dont want to talk about it anymore. Its old when it doesnt affect you. Ill call it old when half the posts in this forum disappear. Stupid pictures, taunting, Abner Louima, Amadou Diallo. Just because we have a black president doesnt mean there arent people spitting on black congressmen and calling them niggers.

Im sorry if the truly innocent are tired of hearing this shit it does get annoying but to silence discussion by pretending its been fixed is dangerous to everyone.

Al Sharpton is a douchebag race hustler (Tawana Brawley); hate him, not Trayvon.
The rate of black on black killing's far exceed any racial killing's, lets address that if we're going to address anything.
 

Harrekin

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We have an industry that caters to racial animosities and stokes the resentments as often as possible. On the other hand, you Euros are no strangers to racial animosities: remember the riots in Paris a few years ago? The integration of all the Muslim immigrants to various Euro countries is not working out nearly as well as it has in America. So, don't get too inflated with a sense of self-satisfaction.

Just because friendly conversation is hard to recognize when written, let me point out that this post is not mean spirited.
Ok admittedly France has some racial problems, but that is related to their extensive colonialism, a problem few European countries (there is 27 of us) have had.
 

Carne Seca

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Who made this guy the Captain of the Neighborhood Watch ??? What type of training did he receive to do this???? Who gave him the right to demand that anyone answer his questions???? Why did Zimmerman get out the car after he was told not to follow. Martin had just as much right to walk around as Zimmerman.
I brought this point up several times in this thread and just gets ignored. Zimmerman had no affiliation with any neighborhood watch nor was he trained in the neighborhood watch program. If he had been trained he wouldn't have had a gun and wouldn't have pursued him. Travyon would still be alive. Zimmerman acted on his own as a vigilante. There is absolutely no basis for self-defense in this case. The Sanford Police fucked up like they usually do and it blew up in their faces. Zimmerman should have been arrested. He should have had a background check and there should have been evidence gathered. None of that happened. Instead they drug tested and did a background check on the child he killed. Both of which came up clean. Zimmerman, on the other hand, has a history of violence including assaulting an officer as well as a history 911 calls (over 50) with most of them being about suspicious black males. This was not self-defense.
 

jkahndb0

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Yes however as a stranger in a private gated community, you can probably expect to be asked questions, regardless of what "skin you're in". Had he said "I'm heading up to my Dads place" he would've been let go on his way as an innocent, free person.

However a fight occurred. I tried to use character to fill in the blanks precluding real factual evidence. If you disagree that's cool, that's what the site is here for. But the presumption that a bloodthirsty cop-wannabe gunned down an "innocent fresh faced teen" is somewhat preposterous given the facts ignored by the same media. Look at the picture of Martin they use, then go read his Facebook/Twitter and look at the actual pictures (gang signs and all) and then try reimagine what MAY have happened.

Its all speculation at this point anyways, so mines just as accurate as yours for now ;)
**** post has no relevance anymore... The above /\ referenced picture was a fake.....
 

UncleBuck

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wow, it got ugly in here overnight.

clearly, trayvon brought this one on himself by looking so damn thuggish. i mean, his twitter handle was "no limits nigga", and zimmerman had to have known that!

zimmerman was a saint, doing what was right by mowing down this kid for having the audacity to be so gangster-y in his nice, quiet little neighborhood. it was a necessary right, as some have said.

and no, race had nothing to do with all this. clearly zimmerman was cursing a series of brooms, or spoons.

we need more zimmermans in this world to take out the scum.

trayvon had no right to feel threatened by a man nearly twice his size following him by vehicle and then on foot. that is no reason to defend yourself.

i really like how zimmerman was so close to trayvon and had no possible way to escape this nigger thug, yet was able to shoot him without getting a single drop of blood on himself. nifty!

i have been "healed" by the mini-zimmermans on this thread. clearly i was not seeing this right at all.
 

mccumcumber

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Ok admittedly France has some racial problems, but that is related to their extensive colonialism, a problem few European countries (there is 27 of us) have had.
Not counting some of the Balkan Peninsula as apart of Europe!!!! Racist. (thought I'd hop on this band wagon too, probably just a typo, but I'm pretty sure there are 47 countries in Europe.)
 

Harrekin

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Not counting some of the Balkan Peninsula as apart of Europe!!!! Racist. (thought I'd hop on this band wagon too, probably just a typo, but I'm pretty sure there are 47 countries in Europe.)
Nah, not really. There's 27 EU states.

Ok I'll admit we havnt got it perfect over here, but Iv never seen a militant race group put a bounty on someone's head...That's a US thing.
 

Harrekin

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wow, it got ugly in here overnight.

clearly, trayvon brought this one on himself by looking so damn thuggish. i mean, his twitter handle was "no limits nigga", and zimmerman had to have known that!

zimmerman was a saint, doing what was right by mowing down this kid for having the audacity to be so gangster-y in his nice, quiet little neighborhood. it was a necessary right, as some have said.

and no, race had nothing to do with all this. clearly zimmerman was cursing a series of brooms, or spoons.

we need more zimmermans in this world to take out the scum.

trayvon had no right to feel threatened by a man nearly twice his size following him by vehicle and then on foot. that is no reason to defend yourself.

i really like how zimmerman was so close to trayvon and had no possible way to escape this nigger thug, yet was able to shoot him without getting a single drop of blood on himself. nifty!

i have been "healed" by the mini-zimmermans on this thread. clearly i was not seeing this right at all.
Dude, Trayvon was bigger than Zimmerman. This is a fact.
 

mccumcumber

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There are 27 in the EU, I was wrong before, there are 44 sovereign states.

Edit: 50 if you're counting Kazakhstan, Monaco, the Vatican, and other "not really countries, or not really in Europe"
 
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