LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow
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polyarcturus
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Merry christmas!
48martin
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Almost exactly what Im running also.. - the fiji and + coral waveAlmost exactly what I'm rollin'...Not exactly the same numbers but all the same bulbs. I could use another Red Sun in there!!
Good luck with it and Happy Easter everyone!
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ValleGrown
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Is it just me or am I like the only person who hates Easter. ...
Idk man it just stresses me out. Terribly.
Idk man it just stresses me out. Terribly.
jsamuel24
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Your not the only one brother. I hate Easter, I hate having to cook dinner, I hate that my lights arent on yet so i cant even go in and talk to my plants to avoid family lol
Well to each his Owen. But I could convert anyone.
Say Altar, I got 2 Kolossus in the seed starter. hope they pop. I hope to get two females. Just never know. I did some work on the room today and have bin Abel to keep the temp down around 76 degrees, that may help get some girls. Cant wait to get this strain going.
I am going all organic this time. Having a hard time finding good worm castings at a good price. It is the shipping that is ridicules.
It looks like hyroot is the man, with this T5 growing. I need his recipe, but he is not giving it up.
My new red suns are going good so far. Good Easter to you all, I love any day I dont have to work.
Say Altar, I got 2 Kolossus in the seed starter. hope they pop. I hope to get two females. Just never know. I did some work on the room today and have bin Abel to keep the temp down around 76 degrees, that may help get some girls. Cant wait to get this strain going.
I am going all organic this time. Having a hard time finding good worm castings at a good price. It is the shipping that is ridicules.
It looks like hyroot is the man, with this T5 growing. I need his recipe, but he is not giving it up.
My new red suns are going good so far. Good Easter to you all, I love any day I dont have to work.
kpmarine
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Everyone swears by Subcools super soil recipe around here. You should check that out.
AltarNation
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Man, you gotta hit local places for soil supplies... fuck those shipping costs, they are rough. I'm looking forward to seeing your Kolossus start up bro!! I can't waaaait to see the bud size on those...
Hyroot is kicking some ass, and I'd love to know what he's feeding too
AltarNation
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True enough... I have been lazy about getting the ingredients together though, and they are supposed to sit for a full month in the sunlight before you use them. I think I will start my new seeds in a standard mix, FFOF or maybe Happy Frog, and then transfer into subcool's mix if I can get it put together ASAP. Otherwise, I'm gonna invest in some Earth Juice for my first "real genetics" grow.
polyarcturus
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oh man if you guys want to delve into the mysteries of organic growing come to me. not to say subs soil isnt good, but that soil is overrated and i guarantee that's not his personal mix because that mix is for beginners in organics.
i will help you tailor make your soil to suit your needs and wants from it, i accordance to want kind of fertilizing/watering system.
if your interested im gonna need to know what all you want to to what products you have and what products you like to use and a budget. (50-150$ is my average budget for soil one time forever 150 then maybe 50$ in product to refresh it 6 mo later i reuse my soil.)
i will help you tailor make your soil to suit your needs and wants from it, i accordance to want kind of fertilizing/watering system.
if your interested im gonna need to know what all you want to to what products you have and what products you like to use and a budget. (50-150$ is my average budget for soil one time forever 150 then maybe 50$ in product to refresh it 6 mo later i reuse my soil.)
AltarNation
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Poly... my ideal blend is something that can allow me to forgo as much nutrient additive as possible... I would love to put together a soil that never needs to be fertilized and can get through a month of veg and 2 mo's of flowering without ever having to do anything but watering. Haha. Is that a reasonable expectation? I like worm castings as opposed to other poops because it doesn't smell much, haha. Other than that, I don't know, have at it. The whole reason subcool's mix is attractive IS because it's for beginners and I don't know what I'm doing. :0] So if you have a basic idea of what one could put together with relatively common ingredients, have at it... certainly don't know what to tell you as far as what I'd want to use, haha... if I did, I'd make the soil mix plans myself... ya dig? 
hyroot
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I make teas. 4 gal recipe
Veg -
1/2 cup earth juice rainbow mix grow 5-5-2
5 tbs botanicare strapped molasses
2 tbs epsom salt
3 egg shells cooked and crushed
4 tsp age old liquid kelp
Early flower
1/4 cup rainbow mix grow 5-5-2
1/2 cup rainbow mix bloom 0-9-2
4 tsp age old liquid kelp
2 tbs epsom salt
2 egg shells cooked and crushed
5 tbs molasses
Late flower
1/4 cup rainbow mix grow 5-5-2
1/2 cup earth juice primal harvest 0-12-1
5 tbs molasses
2 tbs epsom salt
2 egg shells cooked and crushed
4.tsp age old liquid kelp.... No kelp last 2 weeks
Last week flush with 2 tbss molasses. Last water only water.
Sit em in the dark for 18 hours to 30 hours then chop.
AltarNation
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Hyroot you're awesome for sharing that with us all. Do you bubble the teas? How long do they need to sit before use?
polyarcturus
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reasonable and cona be done easily, the main problem will not be not enough nutes but possibly burning plants from hot soil, plus you cant really reuse soil that is hot like that, you will have to replenish it heavily but it can be done, basically thats what ffof straight out of the bag is. but i can custom make yours and it would last all the way till near end of bloom.Poly... my ideal blend is something that can allow me to forgo as much nutrient additive as possible... I would love to put together a soil that never needs to be fertilized and can get through a month of veg and 2 mo's of flowering without ever having to do anything but watering. Haha. Is that a reasonable expectation? I like worm castings as opposed to other poops because it doesn't smell much, haha. Other than that, I don't know, have at it. The whole reason subcool's mix is attractive IS because it's for beginners and I don't know what I'm doing. :0] So if you have a basic idea of what one could put together with relatively common ingredients, have at it... certainly don't know what to tell you as far as what I'd want to use, haha... if I did, I'd make the soil mix plans myself... ya dig?
i personally like to have my soil nute concentration low and slow(breaking down), so i can use what ever nutes i want and the plant will still be in constant contact with nutrients. but this is preference.
let me get back with a good mix with decent veg nutes and a good breakdown of P after 3 month's for flower, what do you want your soil base(the majority component) to be, coco coir, peat moss, or perlite?
polyarcturus
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NUTRIENT, PESTICIDE AND SOIL MIXTURES
SOIL COMPONENTS:
ROCK: perlite, vermiculite, gravel, green sand,
INERT
eat moss, coco coir,
FERTILIZER: worm casting, manure/guano, bonemeal,
my soil mixture tends to have a little bit of everything I will usual use a versatile organic soil that comes in a 20lb. Bag such as roots organic, or ocean forest in combination with a pH balanced peat-moss find it in a bale I recommend pro-mix or b-cuzz. I mix at a rate of 1 20lb. Bag of soil, 1 20lb. Bag of worm castings to half a bale of peat-moss. That is 2 bags of soil and 2 bags of worm castings to 1 bale of peat-moss.( I also mix about ½lb.- 1lb. Of dolomite lime in the mix to balance pH) and 4cft ofboth vermiculate and perlite or 2cft of both for a half batch
NUTRIENTS:
A STYLE
STANDARD WATER: pH 6.2-6.8
Vitamin pill: ½ pill as needed Sterile enzymes: 5 ml
DIRECTIONS: clean 5 gallon bucket is filled to top with tap water or reverse osmosis filtered water. then nutrients are measured and mixed in. solution is aerated with regular air (not co2 enriched) using a air pump and air stone.
VEGITATIVE COMPOST TEA: pH 6.4-6.8
worm castings: 4.5 tbs Mexican guano: 4.5tbs
Bone meal: .5 tsp Pure blend: 1oz
Fungus: 5cc / .5 tsp Seaweed extract: 1oz
Carbohydrate: 3oz
DIRECTIONS:5 gallon bucket is filled to top with tap water or reverse osmosis filtered water. Compost tea buckets do not need to be cleaned as they will harbor bacterium and fungus useful to the plant. A large air stone is placed at the bottom of the bucket. Dry ingredients are put in a mesh bag and tied shut with a twist tie. Dry ingredients in bag are then placed in water and liquid ingredients are then added solution is to be left alone for 24 hours, then it is to be aerated/agitated for 24 more hours once again with regular air.
FLOWERING COMPOST TEA: pH 6.0-6.5
Worm castings: 4.5tbs Mexican guano: 3.0tbs
Peruvian guano: 1.5 tbs Pure blend: 1oz
Fungus: 5cc Seaweed extract: 1oz
Carbohydrate: 3oz
DIRECTIONS:5 gallon bucket is filled to top with tap water or reverse osmosis filtered water. A large air stone is placed at the bottom of the bucket. Dry ingredients are put in a mesh bag and tied shut with a twist tie. Dry ingredients in bag are then placed in water and liquid ingredients are then added solution is to be left alone for 24 hours, then it is to be aerated/agitated for 24 more hours.
SOIL COMPONENTS:
ROCK: perlite, vermiculite, gravel, green sand,
INERT
eat moss, coco coir,FERTILIZER: worm casting, manure/guano, bonemeal,
my soil mixture tends to have a little bit of everything I will usual use a versatile organic soil that comes in a 20lb. Bag such as roots organic, or ocean forest in combination with a pH balanced peat-moss find it in a bale I recommend pro-mix or b-cuzz. I mix at a rate of 1 20lb. Bag of soil, 1 20lb. Bag of worm castings to half a bale of peat-moss. That is 2 bags of soil and 2 bags of worm castings to 1 bale of peat-moss.( I also mix about ½lb.- 1lb. Of dolomite lime in the mix to balance pH) and 4cft ofboth vermiculate and perlite or 2cft of both for a half batch
NUTRIENTS:
A STYLE
STANDARD WATER: pH 6.2-6.8
Vitamin pill: ½ pill as needed Sterile enzymes: 5 ml
DIRECTIONS: clean 5 gallon bucket is filled to top with tap water or reverse osmosis filtered water. then nutrients are measured and mixed in. solution is aerated with regular air (not co2 enriched) using a air pump and air stone.
VEGITATIVE COMPOST TEA: pH 6.4-6.8
worm castings: 4.5 tbs Mexican guano: 4.5tbs
Bone meal: .5 tsp Pure blend: 1oz
Fungus: 5cc / .5 tsp Seaweed extract: 1oz
Carbohydrate: 3oz
DIRECTIONS:5 gallon bucket is filled to top with tap water or reverse osmosis filtered water. Compost tea buckets do not need to be cleaned as they will harbor bacterium and fungus useful to the plant. A large air stone is placed at the bottom of the bucket. Dry ingredients are put in a mesh bag and tied shut with a twist tie. Dry ingredients in bag are then placed in water and liquid ingredients are then added solution is to be left alone for 24 hours, then it is to be aerated/agitated for 24 more hours once again with regular air.
FLOWERING COMPOST TEA: pH 6.0-6.5
Worm castings: 4.5tbs Mexican guano: 3.0tbs
Peruvian guano: 1.5 tbs Pure blend: 1oz
Fungus: 5cc Seaweed extract: 1oz
Carbohydrate: 3oz
DIRECTIONS:5 gallon bucket is filled to top with tap water or reverse osmosis filtered water. A large air stone is placed at the bottom of the bucket. Dry ingredients are put in a mesh bag and tied shut with a twist tie. Dry ingredients in bag are then placed in water and liquid ingredients are then added solution is to be left alone for 24 hours, then it is to be aerated/agitated for 24 more hours.
AltarNation
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I hear that, FFOF only has enough nutes for like 6 weeks though so it definitely needs follow up feeding. Honestly I don't know what is best, I am not experienced with soil beyond FFOF, heh. I have heard peat moss has acidity issues, is that right? So leaning towards coco or perlite base?
Honestly I am curious as to what you would recommend for someone who doesn't know WTF they are doing, hahaha.
I'm looking at what you posted above and I feel fucking overwhelmed already, ROFL. But don't feel like you have to hold my hand, I will have to start researching this stuff heavily myself anyway if I'm ever gonna get good at this...
I have heard people complain about using strong soils due to not being able to control what fertilizers the plant can get when it needs it, etc... is that something that concerns you? What happens if it DOES burn? You're just fucked? heh.
BTW, we are getting this thread way off topic... maybe you could start a new thread in the organics forum about this and we can talk about it there? Or you can send me PMs? Seems like info that would be useful to others though, so maybe a new thread would be good!
So you're saying that certain elements of this mix won't provide the P needed until flowering because it takes time for it to break down in a way that will provide it? Which elements are providing it? Soil mixes seem so complicated when I have no idea what i'm doin, heh.
Undercover Cop
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HYDRO! DWC!!! Ive done soil.. never again! I dunno, to each his own, but a sterile DWC is the simplest way that ive found. No need to worry about the mircro-environment / microbes / bennies etc, just give the straight nutes in 5.5ph water with an air rock... easy peasy baby
polyarcturus
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now when making your own soil there are your slow acting nutrient and fast acting nutrients. to make a good soil start with some basic non-fertilized potting soil. go and collect worm castings, dolomite lime, greensand, bonemeal, high N guano, and some kind of fibrous manure (steer, deer, goat, horse any mammal) this would get you pretty far mixed with some vermiculite perlite and peatmoss.
here a little mix off the top of my head
1 20lb bag of potting soil
1lb of high N guano
1lb of green sand
4 cups of bone meal
20lb bag of worm casting
10lb of manure
2cft of vermiculate
2cft of perlite
this would get you all the way to mid flower
here a little mix off the top of my head
1 20lb bag of potting soil
1lb of high N guano
1lb of green sand
4 cups of bone meal
20lb bag of worm casting
10lb of manure
2cft of vermiculate
2cft of perlite
this would get you all the way to mid flower
AltarNation
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now we're talkin, that's nice and simple and straight forward Thanks... I will start looking around locally for some ingredients and see what I can pull together... gonna make a lil shopping list.
Thanks... I will start looking around locally for some ingredients and see what I can pull together... gonna make a lil shopping list.