RawBudzski
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I'm intoxicated don't mind me. I am just mad because I am not a caregiver.
Care Giver..or Drug Dealer?
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SketchyGrower
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This thread is useless with out drugs...
Bigtacofarmer
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As long as were all going at it lets talk prices..... I've been to a parts of the country where good bud has been common for a long time and the market is fun to watch. In cities like Eugene OR, or Boulder CO there has been good indoor for as long as I can remember, and most of the west coast and through Colorado and New Mexico had access to good weed. Michigan is a few years behind, I know there has been a little bit here and there but not like out west. Then there is BC bud that used to be shipped in. Most of this hit the consumer at about 40-60 and eight whether it was top or middle shelf, it just had to have bag appeal. Now in Cali and Colorado there is tons of weed, literally and if it sucks no one wants it. The mid grades get about 100-150 and ounce, with most good indoor getting 30-50 an eighth and 200 or so and ounce. Top shelf well grown, kick ass smoke still gets 300 and ounce or more and as much as 25-30 a gram retail. Now I don't agree with this, I think 200-300 for most normal strains is plenty. But even where there is a completely flooded market the growers that did there homework still ask the price they want. It like comparing corvettes to chevettes, they are both vettes so why not give corvettes away for next to nothing? Not trying to change the subject just elaborating on my previous rants. I could make the same comparisons with wine, electronics, or anything. How about taking the drug dealer talk to the ones pushing oxycotin and vicoten. They make 80,000 a year I bet.
bmf725
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In all reality why would someone choose to become a cannabis dealer posing as a caregiver? You have to invest time/money then risk felony distribution/manufacturing charges. If one were smart and wanted to be a drug dealer Oxy's are where it's at. No time invested,product is always the same quality, and the best thing yet your customers will come back every day because if they don't they will be so fucking sick they can't function. 10G + to set up a grow operation and countless hours invested or get a script from a crooked Doc and buy your $75-100 bottle of 80mg oxy then turn around and make $6000+ profit (one 80 mg oxy can fetch $80-100)from one fucking bottle!!
Rich growers do the same shit. This isn't the result of someone being poor or needing money, this is the result of pure slop.
I disagree, there are not nearly so many good jobs out there as you think, few people in Michigan have the opportunity to get work paying much more than 10/hour which really is NOTHING when you consider the costs of raising kids, saving for college, saving for retirement, taking an occasional vacation (I don't expect poor people to live their lives in endless misery and drudgery), paying for health care/insurance, etc...
There is no reason why one form of farming should be off limits to the poor when they are allowed to grow heirloom tomatoes and slang them at the local farmer's market.
What I don't like is when someone misrepresents their own ability. If they say "yeah I'll grow you some bomb" and really they have a $200 budget for a CFL grow, and no experience, and nothing but bagseed, then yes, they are assholes. But if they are honest about the situation to the patient then there is no problem.
And what about patients who grow for themselves, but are struggling to make ends meet, or to afford the electric bill, and sign up a patient to help with this?
Don't forget that a great deal of patients are disabled and can't work, or otherwise unemployable (inability to pass a urine screen doesn't help). And don't forget that in cities like Detroit the real unemployment rate is around 50%.
bowlfullofbliss
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Bud, your talking about selling a prescription drug that makes people physically addicted, and will rob and steal to support their habit, compared to people selling cannabis. Why not just sell coke or heroin.....wait...that stuff actually kills people like the oxy.
bowlfullofbliss
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***LIKE***
Bigtacofarmer
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I think that is what he was getting at. I grow because I love marijuana and its culture, I wish to help improve the plant. I myself do not see the difference between medical and recreational. If I wanted to be rich I would probably not have taken this route. I would say about three out of four clandestine growers quit and the other 25% is split between the money hungry and the lovers of fine weed. You can tell the difference by the strains they choose and there desire to learn more. My garden is constantly evolving and most production setups never change. Not that its not elaborate or well kept, its just got a lot of different strains and would be run a lot different if my goals were all financial.
RawBudzski
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I am speaking from the LAWs POV. If it were legalized to sell p2p tomorrow I am all for it. Though my point is based on our Reality, some caregivers make others look bad. && some of you seem to think all caregivers are equal which is not true.
Bringing in life problems does not cut it, saying because someone is struggling they should be able to sell meds for $$ sounds dumb. What about homeless people? should they be given the right to squat anywhere.. or starving people, should they be given the right to claim whatever land to grow food on..no. So someone who is struggling to keep the lights on should either manage $ better or turn off the 1k watt lights.. Not figure out a way to nickle & dime their last harvest.
Making a few bucks for providing some meds to a friend or family member is DIFFERENT than having a game plan to selling your meds with a deadline of thousands of dollars per month, paying your bills, house mortgage, car note.. Have an attidite & approach to growing bud like that & you can never get upset when mrs.IRS & mr.dea are outside your garden.
Bringing in life problems does not cut it, saying because someone is struggling they should be able to sell meds for $$ sounds dumb. What about homeless people? should they be given the right to squat anywhere.. or starving people, should they be given the right to claim whatever land to grow food on..no. So someone who is struggling to keep the lights on should either manage $ better or turn off the 1k watt lights.. Not figure out a way to nickle & dime their last harvest.
Making a few bucks for providing some meds to a friend or family member is DIFFERENT than having a game plan to selling your meds with a deadline of thousands of dollars per month, paying your bills, house mortgage, car note.. Have an attidite & approach to growing bud like that & you can never get upset when mrs.IRS & mr.dea are outside your garden.
Bigtacofarmer
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Very true, but those are problems with the law not the plant. I'm mostly trying to help remove the criminal stigma attached to it. What someone does safely is no ones business, and that goes for way more than weed. I think we need to go back to a barter system where everyone produces something of worth and those left being the middle man or producing inferior product just might get left out. To many crybabies and not enough people making anything better. This plant is a great example of what people can accomplish in the face of a bullshit government. If you notice most of Hollands great strains are originally from the US. This is because of the freedom fighters of the last 50 years giving uncle sam the finger. Uncle Sam is not done fucking us so I'm not done giving him the finger!
RawBudzski
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Let us RickRoll Uncle Sam.
bowlfullofbliss
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I'm set up with a dba, a legal hold harmless agreement patients sign, an attorney with a $10k retainer to get me out of jail, and I pay taxes. Feel better Budz?
bob harris
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I totally agree. It's also a shame that wanna be CG's think we should pay for their mistakes in equipment and learning curve. I mean, shouldn't you learn to grow quality meds before you claim "caregiver for all" status?
The investment to grow quality isn't that much, if you are only trying to flower out a couple at a time..get good at that then build up your equipment and production, once you can produce quality.. Half the cg's in Michigan grow crap. Half the patients in Michigan don't know what quality is, because all they get is that CG crap.
The true quality herb stays in pretty small circles.
RawBudzski
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Yes, you can hangout now.
RawBudzski
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Sounds reasonable, people being used to crappy bud defending the growing rights of crappy bud growing caregivers, but it is not their fault because they do not understand what good bud is in the first place? I think that's what bob is saying. Makes perfect sense. <3
I find your perspective appalling. Should homeless people have the right to squat abandoned property? Should the starving have the right to farm untilled land? HELL YES! If you think "property crimes" (violating the god-like status of corporations and wealthy landowners) are worse than the homeless dying from exposure or the starving dying of malnutrition you are one sick bastard.
Why is it so wrong for a struggling patient who is unable to work and NEEDS mmj (multiple sclerosis, cancer, HIV - life and death) to sign up a patient and sell some of their product to help keep the operation going or pay the bills? You seriously think it's worse for two patients to be supplied and split the bills than for both in need to go without? And you think caregivers who can't grow A+++ stuff are hurting patients somehow? Well, if they weren't around most people would not have anything, going off your claim that most caregivers provide mediocre meds. Even crappy stuff still has THC and it's a lot better than nothing. The only crime is when someone misrepresents their ability or their product.
Once again, hate on the commercial growers. 4 years ago they were heroes now they are assholes that we should be phoning the feds on. Let's throw everyone with more than 12 plants in prison. All caregivers who make a living off their occupation are criminals, unlike pharmacists, doctors, and drug manufacturers who aren't criminals because they make 100x as much per hour counting pills. Only people doing exactly what you are doing are in the right.
Igotsmine-itis has hit Michigan hard.
RawBudzski
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Going against the grain here. I was trying to give an example, not preach right & wrong. Sadly we do NOT live in this Utopia many of you are describing & whether you like it or not, selling this harmless plant for $$$ is more times than not, illegal. All I am saying.
I mentioned there is a Difference between someone with a personal garden of 20 plants, and someone with a garden of several hundred.
Difference between someone who gets by w/ mmj, & someone who is planning to retire early evading tens of thousands of tax dollars.
You are the one clumping everyone into 1 group.
Where did I describe a "Utopia"?
Selling it is explicitly legal from caregiver to patient. So I don't see how legality amounts to a criticism of caregiver-patient relationships.
Selling it is explicitly legal from caregiver to patient. So I don't see how legality amounts to a criticism of caregiver-patient relationships.
You're the one lumping everyone into one group, most caregivers don't have anywhere near 72 plants and here you are calling them criminals and saying they should be shut down.
bob harris
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It's not hating on the commercial growers for being commercial growers, it's more about hating them because the got a CG card to somewhat protect their ass, and have made things harder for the true patient and Cg...It's the big grow arrests that shape peoples opinions about the whole medical law.