LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

polyarcturus

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exactly, I believe its Magnesium Arsonate that is needed for the deep reds, and just like almost all other rare earth metals, it is mined and sourced almost exclusively in china, and they've been artificially inflating their price lately because they are also needed in manufacturing electrical components and alot of high tech stuff like ipods etc. Its been in the news that the International Trade Committee or some kinda international group that promotes trade/commerce is filing official complaints against China and is considering some kinda punishment like cancelling trade agreements or ending cooperation with China over it. Anyway, it is more expensive for the Red phosphors, it takes different combos of phosphors to create different colors. for all practical purposes, we can use these lights and count on their output being practically equal, but on a micro-physics level the longer Red wavelengths are not as powerful as the shorter Blue waves, the Blues cary more photonic energy. Through the visible spectrum, the difference isnt really too much (at least for our practical usage), where as the difference between UV and IR is a little more dramatic. In flower when you switch to a red spectrum, a little bit higher percentage needs to be dedicated to Red than Blue would be in Veg. This is due to the weaker Red waves that are needed dont carry quite as much energy so you need a little more Red to actually tip the balance towards the red end of the spectrum

Theres no tint on these bulbs, its a powdered phosphor compound that coats the inside of the tubes like a glaze, if there are spots that are a lighter shade or not the same hue (like on the ends) its prob from that area not getting an equal coating of the phosphor glaze. I dont think it should affect the time the bulb will last light, just the hue emitted in that area. Without that coating, the bulbs would emit Hazardous UVc, like germicidal lamps which are basically clear quartzglass fluoros. In our bulbs, the UVc created by the electrical current excites the phosphors to start glowing/emitting the desired colors... kinda similar to colored fireworks in a tube if ya think about it :)
thanks UC. you a wealth of information! you to HYROOT! and i have often wondered the affects of smoking the same strain as in your growing in cab, wonder if they can tell they are being burnt.
 

kpmarine

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thanks UC. you a wealth of information! you to HYROOT! and i have often wondered the affects of smoking the same strain as in your growing in cab, wonder if they can tell they are being burnt.
Would it be equivalent to a cremation with the relatives forced to watch?
 

polyarcturus

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why im just gonna cut some of my hair off and smoke it!

Where is the C.A.P. website they have a bulb that rated at 2800K i wanted to see the graph but i cant find it im trying to find their website so i can find out about the 2800k

its called MAXLUME BLOOM. just looking out for these red bulbs for you guys really interested in SOG results w/ t5
 

hyroot

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why im just gonna cut some of my hair off and smoke it!

Where is the C.A.P. website they have a bulb that rated at 2800K i wanted to see the graph but i cant find it im trying to find their website so i can find out about the 2800k

its called MAXLUME BLOOM. just looking out for these red bulbs for you guys really interested in SOG results w/ t5
Discount hydro owns c.a.p. Which owns max lume, quantum, eiko, ushio, digilux, and a few others I can't think of.

http://www.discount-hydro.com/categories/Bulbs/

Heres c.a.p. ( custom automated products) distrbutor site R&M Supply.

http://www.randmsupply.com/dept.php?navid=28

You probably have to email them for the spd.
 

hyroot

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thank you hyroot im gonna shoot them an email i was unsure as these site sold products too
DH is legit. I bought my first light there over 10 years ago when they were a small store. They were one.of the few shops around in those days. The best deals, if your able to deal with the sales manager. Since they own every thing . They should be able to give the best deals.
 

pr0fesseur

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20yo i wish! more like over 30! but i stay healthy... thumb ring is a gift from my daughter.
I do however look 20 still which is nice...
Back to business..
Waiting on my shit to show up in the mail... im going to invent the 3d fax so they can just email my shit to my 3d printer!
 

polyarcturus

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Since both the FP54/800HO and the FP54/800C/HO lamps produce 4900 lumens or more, the areas between the filaments of each lamp exhibit high surface brightness.The deeper insertion depth of the standard FP54/800/HO etch side filament, which establishes the "cold zone", results in an uneven shadow patter between the filaments and the bases for the operating lamp. The unevenness makes the shadow pattern more noticeable and has resulted in the mistaken impression that the lamp is "end darkening" very early in life. because the PENTRON C HO lamp does not use the "cold zone" technology, uneven filament insertion depths are not required and the shadows between filaments and bases are even and symmetrical.

couldn't copy paste from site(had to sit and type it) its from Sylvania t5 pentron brochure or something, seems COLD ZONE technology is the culprit, see told you it was in the design!
 

kpmarine

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Since both the FP54/800HO and the FP54/800C/HO lamps produce 4900 lumens or more, the areas between the filaments of each lamp exhibit high surface brightness.The deeper insertion depth of the standard FP54/800/HO etch side filament, which establishes the "cold zone", results in an uneven shadow patter between the filaments and the bases for the operating lamp. The unevenness makes the shadow pattern more noticeable and has resulted in the mistaken impression that the lamp is "end darkening" very early in life. because the PENTRON C HO lamp does not use the "cold zone" technology, uneven filament insertion depths are not required and the shadows between filaments and bases are even and symmetrical.

couldn't copy paste from site(had to sit and type it) its from Sylvania t5 pentron brochure or something, seems COLD ZONE technology is the culprit, see told you it was in the design!
Maybe possible, but seeing as it's a loss of pigment. I'm sticking with "bad coating".
 

polyarcturus

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hey UC how the blue cheese my first popcorn buds of smoke-able bluecheese i just tried to day and i cant get enough! even without the cure a very flavorful bud!
 

hyroot

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Yesterday I was at my buddies cruising the interweb. I came across a thread in zeo vit. Thomas Pohl of kz was on there saying the fiji has a very high spike at 420nm and 630 nm. Absolutely no yellow, orange, and green.
 

kpmarine

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Yesterday I was at my buddies cruising the interweb. I came across a thread in zeo vit. Thomas Pohl of kz was on there saying the fiji has a very high spike at 420nm and 630 nm. Absolutely no yellow, orange, and green.
Now if only they could actually be bothered to provide someone with an SPD.
 

hyroot

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1st par sog. I think. I like it more so far. More even canopy. If I pull 20g each. I will get over a pound in a 2x4. If that works out im going to add more sog batches to the garden. Opposed to fewer big plants.

All the ones I do are clones. Thats how I keep the same strains. I let them veg for too long. 2.5 weeks. Now they are 18 inches tall. I wanted them to finish at 15 inches. Oh well. I didnt have room for them until.i chopped some down last week.
 

kpmarine

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Well, one red sun is down. Haven't even touched it since I put it in the fixture late Feb. If this beomes a rend, I'm seriously not buying those 650's.
 

AltarNation

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Unfortunately, with no other red bulbs even available from anyone, it seems like it's impossible to get a good red balance without using either red suns or 660's... what else can we do?? Wish there were more options out there for red-only bulbs but they just don't exist. :(

Hyroot rockin the par SOG, I like it. I hate scrogs and I don't give a fuck about plant limits so I just might go that way down the road to conserve my seeds... would like to build a nice aero/bubble cloner first though.
 

kpmarine

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Unfortunately, with no other red bulbs even available from anyone, it seems like it's impossible to get a good red balance without using either red suns or 660's... what else can we do?? Wish there were more options out there for red-only bulbs but they just don't exist. :(

Hyroot rockin the par SOG, I like it. I hate scrogs and I don't give a fuck about plant limits so I just might go that way down the road to conserve my seeds... would like to build a nice aero/bubble cloner first though.
Pretty much, we need to solicit someone other than UVL. If this is the best America can do, I can see why people buy foreign. Now that I got that out of my system, I should be starting my SoG in a couple weeks here. Shooting for 24 plants for the first run.
 

polyarcturus

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SOG TAKING OVER! fuck da limits! my sog is rolling good right now im pulling every week, luvin it. got to keep myself supplied for real tho, i smoke between a half and an oz a week.
 

kpmarine

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SOG TAKING OVER! fuck da limits! my sog is rolling good right now im pulling every week, luvin it. got to keep myself supplied for real tho, i smoke between a half and an oz a week.
Do you have a journal for it? I wanted to get a look at a T5 SoG. Nobody had alot of info when I asked before.
 
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