Growing under the electricity radar? growing w/o making a bid dent in the bill?

[phillipchristian]

Yeah people exaggerate costs. 1k hps is like 33 dollars a month for most of the country. A 600 is like $25ish (12/12s of course) .

The U.S. national average electricity rate is $0.16 per kilowatt hour. Most indoor growers are actually paying higher because their grow pushes them into a higher tier. But we'll use that rate for arguments sake. Running a 1000w light for 1 hour is 1kWh on your bill. At 12/12 that is 360kWh in 1 month of 30 days. 360kWh times $0.12 equals $57.60. Fo ryou to be charged $33 a month you would need to have a rate of $0.092. This is not uncommon but most people with this rate either have a very low threshold on the tiered system or have a step up system in place. Either way; adding 360kWh to their bill would push them over the the next tier. It's pretty safe to assume that a 1000w light is going to cost you around $65-$75 a month if you are only running 1 of them. If you are running multiple ones with all of the additional cooling, fans, and equipment chnaces are you are much higher.

 

[F A B]

The U.S. national average electricity rate is $0.16 per kilowatt hour. Most indoor growers are actually paying higher because their grow pushes them into a higher tier. But we'll use that rate for arguments sake. Running a 1000w light for 1 hour is 1kWh on your bill. At 12/12 that is 360kWh in 1 month of 30 days. 360kWh times $0.12 equals $57.60. Fo ryou to be charged $33 a month you would need to have a rate of $0.092. This is not uncommon but most people with this rate either have a very low threshold on the tiered system or have a step up system in place. Either way; adding 360kWh to their bill would push them over the the next tier. It's pretty safe to assume that a 1000w light is going to cost you around $65-$75 a month if you are only running 1 of them. If you are running multiple ones with all of the additional cooling, fans, and equipment chnaces are you are much higher.

thats why u cut back on power in other areas
turn of light when leaving a room
and replace all lights around house with cfls
turn off computer when not using saves

 

[themanwiththeplan]

The U.S. national average electricity rate is $0.16 per kilowatt hour. Most indoor growers are actually paying higher because their grow pushes them into a higher tier. But we'll use that rate for arguments sake. Running a 1000w light for 1 hour is 1kWh on your bill. At 12/12 that is 360kWh in 1 month of 30 days. 360kWh times $0.12 equals $57.60. Fo ryou to be charged $33 a month you would need to have a rate of $0.092. This is not uncommon but most people with this rate either have a very low threshold on the tiered system or have a step up system in place. Either way; adding 360kWh to their bill would push them over the the next tier. It's pretty safe to assume that a 1000w light is going to cost you around $65-$75 a month if you are only running 1 of them. If you are running multiple ones with all of the additional cooling, fans, and equipment chnaces are you are much higher.

AMEN! you get it. i grew w/ 2 600s, an a/c and multiple fans...it ran me about 100 a month if my math was right at the time. it adds up quickly!

thats why u cut back on power in other areas
turn of light when leaving a room
and replace all lights around house with cfls
turn off computer when not using saves

thats not gonna help that much in the long run though. when you're blowing a minimum of 75 bucks month in just electricity costs in related to growing its always gonna seem higher no matter how much you cut back. short of not using ANYTHING that uses electricity @ home you're gonna rack up charged with the tiers and what not.

 

[F A B]

AMEN! you get it. i grew w/ 2 600s, an a/c and multiple fans...it ran me about 100 a month if my math was right at the time. it adds up quickly!



thats not gonna help that much in the long run though. when you're blowing a minimum of 75 bucks month in just electricity costs in related to growing its always gonna seem higher no matter how much you cut back. short of not using ANYTHING that uses electricity @ home you're gonna rack up charged with the tiers and what not.

no can offset cost maybe not get bumped up and if u do u still not wasting power=money around house
fuck a tier use less power

 

[phillipchristian]

If you have a 1200 watts of lighting or less you can definitely offset it with pretty simple changes around the house. Obviously change out house lights for CFL's. Try turning off your hotwater heater when you go to bed or leave for work. You can also put your fridge on a timer. That way it's off when you are asleep or at work. Only have it come on when you are at home for 15 minutes every 3-4 hours. That's all your fridge needs anyway. Simple little things will definitely offset your electricity bill.

 

[F A B]

If you have a 1200 watts of lighting or less you can definitely offset it with pretty simple changes around the house. Obviously change out house lights for CFL's. Try turning off your hotwater heater when you go to bed or leave for work. You can also put your fridge on a timer. That way it's off when you are asleep or at work. Only have it come on when you are at home for 15 minutes every 3-4 hours. That's all your fridge needs anyway. Simple little things will definitely offset your electricity bill.

i found they got timers for hot water heaters
im going to install one
i run a 50 gallon elec and it uses i think more then a 1000w light running 24/7

hell turn it off for 12 hrs and u got a 1000w flower setup at no extra cost so guy that said why bother now explain?
edit never mind im going to bed
peace ya'll

 

[PJ Diaz]

My power company has this program called "CARE" I dunno what it stands for, but it takes away the tiers and just charges you flat for all usage. You just gotta tell em you poor.

 

[F A B]

My power company has this program called "CARE" I dunno what it stands for, but it takes away the tiers and just charges you flat for all usage. You just gotta tell em you poor.

im on a rural co-op and they dont have tiers and charge .9 cents a kwh and even gave me a free hot water heater
they even ran a 1000 feet of poles and cable to my house at no charge

 

[TMG Genetics]

Hello everyone. I feel my last thread's title was confusing so i wanted to make a new 1.

Basically i now live with a roommate. They don't approve of cannabis use or growing it but naturally im not gonna let that effect me and force me to buy it on the street or from a club when i know how to grow!

So heres the deal. i moved in with a friend (roommate) who already lived on the property for a number of years so they are VERY familiar with what the bill should be every month. My goal is to grow stealth (complete with stealth cab and carbon filter, etc) but use as little electricity as possible while still pulling down a respectable harvest.

success in this situation is growing WITHOUT making a major change to the bill. obviously i can't just say "i have a fish tank" as with our agreement my buddy pays the electricity himself. Im responsible for other bills and my half of the rent. I don't want to tip him off that im growing (ie. if the bill jumps up he'll know)

what lighting setup would be best for no real significant jump in electricity?

my gut tells me a 150w hps is the best i can do. is this true? would LED's in a similar wattage be a better idea? (ie better yield than a 150w hps?) i feel a 250w hps may be pulling too much electricity and require extra fans, etc to keep the stealth box running cool.

stealth box isn't complete yet but i plan to build one big enough or small enough to cater to whatever light i do end up using. obviously CFL's wont cut it as they are half as efficient as hps so if i use 150w of cfl i might as well just use 150w of hps and get a better yield.


my personal consumption goal right around 2oz per month. is this possible? im going from a 1635 watt setup to this so forgive the amateurish questions but i really have never grown on such a small level and don't know whats the best move in this situation.

Are you serious? Fuck everyone else, eyes gonna grow me some weed and put my roommates in jeopardy!

 

[F A B]

Are you serious? Fuck everyone else, eyes gonna grow me some weed and put my roommates in jeopardy!

yep he is serious
someway to repay a friend for taking him in

 

[ohnothimagin]

I would go with CFLs. How many plants do you want to grow for personal use?

 

[PJ Diaz]

Are you serious? Fuck everyone else, eyes gonna grow me some weed and put my roommates in jeopardy!

yep he is serious
someway to repay a friend for taking him in

You guys must have missed the part about him being a legal medical grower. His mate just doesn't like it.

 

[TMG Genetics]

You guys must have missed the part about him being a legal medical grower. His mate just doesn't like it.

It doesn't matter one fucking bit that he is a licensed med grower. The shit he is doing is wrong, plain and simple. If it was just him then whatever, but if he was my roommate and did that shit I'd kick his ass to the curb in a ny minute.

 

[themanwiththeplan]

It doesn't matter one fucking bit that he is a licensed med grower. The shit he is doing is wrong, plain and simple. If it was just him then whatever, but if he was my roommate and did that shit I'd kick his ass to the curb in a ny minute.

yep he is serious
someway to repay a friend for taking him in

Are you serious? Fuck everyone else, eyes gonna grow me some weed and put my roommates in jeopardy!

Im on a marijuana forum...im legal in my state (legitimately so)...and you're jumping down my throat for wanting to grow just enough for myself (150w isn't exactly "ballin" in terms of yield; a few zips max) when there are ppl on here inquiring about all types of illegal activities? drug smuggling, growers w/o legit paperwork asking for "cash crop strains" so they can "get rich" and all that, ordering seeds online in a country where cannabis seed purchases/ownership is illegal (ie. no legal in the USA) etc?

so you all can BREAK the law while im simply FOLLOWING IT but dealing with the ignorance of someone misinformed?

im not gonna lie i order beans too and im not saying ur "morally wrong" if you do but if you're gonna jump down the throat of a legal mj grower then you better jump down everyone's throat who orders beans online.

your statements contradict everything 95%+ of the people here and what they/we stand for.

you're all saying i should go without it and ignore the help it provides me? I should not be able to sleep, not have migranes, and not be able to keep my glacoma in check? or my anxiety? i have documented medical proof of all of these...extensive medical records of migranes and glacoma. i should have to suffer or pay $300 an oz till i go broke and then suffer because someone who hasn't the slightest clue of what marijuana is and isnt and has no intentions of listening to reason?

i dont think so. if i were an illegal grower then yeah you could jump down my throat. however in the event anything happened (it wont...no raids of 150w stealth grows! never gonna happen) i wouldn't hesitate to come forward with the law right away saying i grew it secretly...he had NO IDEA it was going on. so at least it wouldnt get him in trouble. just myself. however its never gonna happen.

whats the WORST thing that could happen from me growing there w/ about 150w of light? nothing really. lets face it the feds will never bust a stealth 150w grow. it would be laughable plus im legal in my state and i really dont think they'd REALLY actually go through and convict me of anything when its only a 150w light and i have proof of my medical issues. in fact even though the federal gov't is against marijuana they do understand there are people with legit problems that it helps. plus they'll see its not enough to profit on they'd let that slide 9times out of 10. but this is all a bunch of what ifs...bottom line no one's gonna bust such a small grow. not worth the time, energy, or man power. the gov't would be LOSING money just to pay everyone's salary while they spend their time setting up a raid on essentially no more than 3 oz or so of bud.

also i wouldn't be letting anyone know i grow (no friends, fam, etc) so its not like ill invite trouble by flapping my gums.

i can't believe im actually defending what im doing when i have medical proof of these conditions and its REALLY just personal use.


you wanna come at me with that "whats right and whats wrong" attitude why dont you go take it to a thread where someone's asking to ship bud from a mmj state out to new york but needs your help to package it correctly and go bug them and tell them how wrong they are because i guarantee they are far more of a "criminal" than ill ever be for growing mj legally for REAL reasons.

im not saying i don't smoke it for recreational purposes also but it honest to god helps me when i need it. living without it for recreational purposes isnt hard...living without it for its medicinal effects is VERY hard. im not rich...which is why i wanna grow my own because i dont feel i should be at the grocery store and determining if i can get everything i need from the store AND still get me a week supply of bud when i have the skills and knowledge to grow it for a FRACTION of what it would cost me in the club/on the corner.

 

[F A B]

Im on a marijuana forum...im legal in my state (legitimately so)...and you're jumping down my throat for wanting to grow just enough for myself (150w isn't exactly "ballin" in terms of yield; a few zips max) when there are ppl on here inquiring about all types of illegal activities? drug smuggling, growers w/o legit paperwork asking for "cash crop strains" so they can "get rich" and all that, ordering seeds online in a country where cannabis seed purchases/ownership is illegal (ie. no legal in the USA) etc?

so you all can BREAK the law while im simply FOLLOWING IT but dealing with the ignorance of someone misinformed?

im not gonna lie i order beans too and im not saying ur "morally wrong" if you do but if you're gonna jump down the throat of a legal mj grower then you better jump down everyone's throat who orders beans online.

your statements contradict everything 95%+ of the people here and what they/we stand for.

you're all saying i should go without it and ignore the help it provides me? I should not be able to sleep, not have migranes, and not be able to keep my glacoma in check? or my anxiety? i have documented medical proof of all of these...extensive medical records of migranes and glacoma. i should have to suffer or pay $300 an oz till i go broke and then suffer because someone who hasn't the slightest clue of what marijuana is and isnt and has no intentions of listening to reason?

i dont think so. if i were an illegal grower then yeah you could jump down my throat. however in the event anything happened (it wont...no raids of 150w stealth grows! never gonna happen) i wouldn't hesitate to come forward with the law right away saying i grew it secretly...he had NO IDEA it was going on. so at least it wouldnt get him in trouble. just myself. however its never gonna happen.

whats the WORST thing that could happen from me growing there w/ about 150w of light? nothing really. lets face it the feds will never bust a stealth 150w grow. it would be laughable plus im legal in my state and i really dont think they'd REALLY actually go through and convict me of anything when its only a 150w light and i have proof of my medical issues. in fact even though the federal gov't is against marijuana they do understand there are people with legit problems that it helps. plus they'll see its not enough to profit on they'd let that slide 9times out of 10. but this is all a bunch of what ifs...bottom line no one's gonna bust such a small grow. not worth the time, energy, or man power. the gov't would be LOSING money just to pay everyone's salary while they spend their time setting up a raid on essentially no more than 3 oz or so of bud.

also i wouldn't be letting anyone know i grow (no friends, fam, etc) so its not like ill invite trouble by flapping my gums.

i can't believe im actually defending what im doing when i have medical proof of these conditions and its REALLY just personal use.


you wanna come at me with that "whats right and whats wrong" attitude why dont you go take it to a thread where someone's asking to ship bud from a mmj state out to new york but needs your help to package it correctly and go bug them and tell them how wrong they are because i guarantee they are far more of a "criminal" than ill ever be for growing mj legally for REAL reasons.

im not saying i don't smoke it for recreational purposes also but it honest to god helps me when i need it. living without it for recreational purposes isnt hard...living without it for its medicinal effects is VERY hard. im not rich...which is why i wanna grow my own because i dont feel i should be at the grocery store and determining if i can get everything i need from the store AND still get me a week supply of bud when i have the skills and knowledge to grow it for a FRACTION of what it would cost me in the club/on the corner.

doesnt matter it is your so called friends place and u said he pays the power bill and u want to grow dope in his house and keep it a secret from him
so it make no fucking difference if u are legal or not you going to disrespect folks house because u selfish

if u legal get own place or move in with others that are cool with it

as for what others do shipping and other illegal shit posted hereif u look at most those threads u will see i posted on those to
so your point of arguement is invalid with me

 

[tip top toker]

Don't be a douche. Either tell him or find a new place. From my experience growing in a shared flat, you will NOT get away with it for very long, people are generally not stupid, and humans are prone to making mistakes, be it smoking a little too much, leaving a receipt out, fan noise, a watering can.

Generally though, don't be a fucking thief. If he is paying for the electricity, then you are STEALING from his pocket if he's not being given a cut of the grow let alone smoking it let alone being told about it. A THIEF. and you have the cheek to call this person a friend!?

I grow or rather did grow in a shared flat, i calculated my grow costs and deducted them from the bills, because why the fuck should someone else pay for me to grow if they're not going to be smoking it with me???

 

[F A B]

Don't be a douche. Either tell him or find a new place. From my experience growing in a shared flat, you will NOT get away with it for very long, people are generally not stupid, and humans are prone to making mistakes, be it smoking a little too much, leaving a receipt out, fan noise, a watering can.

Generally though, don't be a fucking thief. If he is paying for the electricity, then you are STEALING from his pocket if he's not being given a cut of the grow let alone smoking it let alone being told about it. A THIEF. and you have the cheek to call this person a friend!?

I grow or rather did grow in a shared flat, i calculated my grow costs and deducted them from the bills, because why the fuck should someone else pay for me to grow if they're not going to be smoking it with me???

and since no one else mention this even though he wants to use a 150watt light what if it catches fire
i know chances are slim but never know

so he burns up his so called friends shit and home and maybe even his friend

 

[tip top toker]

and since no one else mention this even though he wants to use a 150watt light what if it catches fire
i know chances are slim but never know

so he burns up his so called friends shit and home and maybe even his friend

I've lived with that thought on my shoulders for a few years now. Lights get hot, ballasts get hot, you name it. There are so many potential negative side effects to warrant not letting him know. I have explained everything to each every every one of my flatmates for a very good reason, i ahve no desire to fuck their lives up. If they're not happy with me growing, even if it is my flat, then they either have to move somewhere else, or i take the grow down while they live here. For instance if they are a lawyer or doctor or such, and a grow is found in their house, there is every chance that they will be fired, struk off the register, license revoked, won't be hired again. I'm not about to potentially fuck someones life up just because i'm a selfish little ballbag

 

[TMG Genetics]

Im on a marijuana forum...im legal in my state (legitimately so)...and you're jumping down my throat for wanting to grow just enough for myself (150w isn't exactly "ballin" in terms of yield; a few zips max) when there are ppl on here inquiring about all types of illegal activities? drug smuggling, growers w/o legit paperwork asking for "cash crop strains" so they can "get rich" and all that, ordering seeds online in a country where cannabis seed purchases/ownership is illegal (ie. no legal in the USA) etc?

so you all can BREAK the law while im simply FOLLOWING IT but dealing with the ignorance of someone misinformed?

im not gonna lie i order beans too and im not saying ur "morally wrong" if you do but if you're gonna jump down the throat of a legal mj grower then you better jump down everyone's throat who orders beans online.

your statements contradict everything 95%+ of the people here and what they/we stand for.

you're all saying i should go without it and ignore the help it provides me? I should not be able to sleep, not have migranes, and not be able to keep my glacoma in check? or my anxiety? i have documented medical proof of all of these...extensive medical records of migranes and glacoma. i should have to suffer or pay $300 an oz till i go broke and then suffer because someone who hasn't the slightest clue of what marijuana is and isnt and has no intentions of listening to reason?

i dont think so. if i were an illegal grower then yeah you could jump down my throat. however in the event anything happened (it wont...no raids of 150w stealth grows! never gonna happen) i wouldn't hesitate to come forward with the law right away saying i grew it secretly...he had NO IDEA it was going on. so at least it wouldnt get him in trouble. just myself. however its never gonna happen.

whats the WORST thing that could happen from me growing there w/ about 150w of light? nothing really. lets face it the feds will never bust a stealth 150w grow. it would be laughable plus im legal in my state and i really dont think they'd REALLY actually go through and convict me of anything when its only a 150w light and i have proof of my medical issues. in fact even though the federal gov't is against marijuana they do understand there are people with legit problems that it helps. plus they'll see its not enough to profit on they'd let that slide 9times out of 10. but this is all a bunch of what ifs...bottom line no one's gonna bust such a small grow. not worth the time, energy, or man power. the gov't would be LOSING money just to pay everyone's salary while they spend their time setting up a raid on essentially no more than 3 oz or so of bud.

also i wouldn't be letting anyone know i grow (no friends, fam, etc) so its not like ill invite trouble by flapping my gums.

i can't believe im actually defending what im doing when i have medical proof of these conditions and its REALLY just personal use.


you wanna come at me with that "whats right and whats wrong" attitude why dont you go take it to a thread where someone's asking to ship bud from a mmj state out to new york but needs your help to package it correctly and go bug them and tell them how wrong they are because i guarantee they are far more of a "criminal" than ill ever be for growing mj legally for REAL reasons.

im not saying i don't smoke it for recreational purposes also but it honest to god helps me when i need it. living without it for recreational purposes isnt hard...living without it for its medicinal effects is VERY hard. im not rich...which is why i wanna grow my own because i dont feel i should be at the grocery store and determining if i can get everything i need from the store AND still get me a week supply of bud when i have the skills and knowledge to grow it for a FRACTION of what it would cost me in the club/on the corner.

You sir are a complete and utter moron. What part of "it's not all about you" don't you fucking get?

 

[F A B]

I've lived with that thought on my shoulders for a few years now. Lights get hot, ballasts get hot, you name it. There are so many potential negative side effects to warrant not letting him know. I have explained everything to each every every one of my flatmates for a very good reason, i ahve no desire to fuck their lives up. If they're not happy with me growing, even if it is my flat, then they either have to move somewhere else, or i take the grow down while they live here. For instance if they are a lawyer or doctor or such, and a grow is found in their house, there is every chance that they will be fired, struk off the register, license revoked, won't be hired again. I'm not about to potentially fuck someones life up just because i'm a selfish little ballbag

wish this world had more people that think like you and not like the ''fuck everyone else crowd "