richinweed
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cool.... sorry for the loss also, u will find a buyer for that led im sure...again good luk, ill watch out for Your posts.
people that are looking into investing in LED's,,,,
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markybuds
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whats that have to do with ANYTHING lol. i know how to grow marijuana bud
i'm not asking for help
markybuds
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u've got thin skin bud. i'm laughing not lashing. ease up the "lets make this right with one another" grip.
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Hooked on Ponics
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It seems to be the theme here, yell at the new guys....
I'm not some kid though, I started growing in the 70's, and am probably 40+ years older than the kid accusing me of trying to sell him LEDs, or whatever he's trying to say.
I'm not some kid though, I started growing in the 70's, and am probably 40+ years older than the kid accusing me of trying to sell him LEDs, or whatever he's trying to say.
I'm laughing too. But I am not laughing with you.....
markybuds
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sorry to all ive offended. im really a cool guy if u know me 
i made this thread mainly to vent and say my peace. wasnt really looking for answers to anything.
we're all trying to master this craft of growing,, yeah?
even if you're just a hobbyist, you wanna do the best you can, right?
you want the dankest, chunkiest, highest yield possible, right?
then why tinker with lights that are sub-par?
they try to sell you with the "uses only half the watts of an hps", "twice the amount of PAR light" blah blah blah.
why buy 2-3 LED's that are $550-1200 each to make up for a single hps? its fuckin mind boggling to me that ppl will still defend LED's lol
you dont save $ on electric cause you have to buy triple the lights. its all the same.
until theres a substantial price drop in these magic boxes, theyre nothing but a gimmick.
a compliment to hps at best, like rich said.
i made this thread mainly to vent and say my peace. wasnt really looking for answers to anything.
we're all trying to master this craft of growing,, yeah?
even if you're just a hobbyist, you wanna do the best you can, right?
you want the dankest, chunkiest, highest yield possible, right?
then why tinker with lights that are sub-par?
they try to sell you with the "uses only half the watts of an hps", "twice the amount of PAR light" blah blah blah.
why buy 2-3 LED's that are $550-1200 each to make up for a single hps? its fuckin mind boggling to me that ppl will still defend LED's lol
you dont save $ on electric cause you have to buy triple the lights. its all the same.
until theres a substantial price drop in these magic boxes, theyre nothing but a gimmick.
a compliment to hps at best, like rich said.
markybuds
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thats funny cause it sounds like you're whining n moaning like a jew broad.
wyteberrywidow
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Alright let's have a discussion enough with the insults.
Thanks
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Equinox117
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the only ones who have trouble growing with led are usually over watering them...especially when coming from any other lighting & not just starting on em. once a week is enough for watering, with a mist mid week.. its 2012 now, the leds have changed a lot
Senseimilla
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I can't speak for your grows... but I'm growing solely under Blackstar 240s (multiple) and loving my results. Do these look like immature buds to you? 6 weeks. They sure look bigger than I expected they would under my 400w. I don't know if you just got a bad light, are having poor results or what... i've heard of other people with blackstars having similar stories to yours but I'm sorry, just isn't matched by my personal experience. The only thing I've changed for adjusting to LEDs is supplementing with cal-mag to deal with mg deficiencies the LEDs can cause. Mine are all 2012 models so could be just an older model you have? I dunno, but mine are great and I've heard from others who like their blackstars so not sure what to tell you. FYI, even if you think blackstars are pieces of shit, blackstar isn't the same thing as every other LED manufacturer. Even if blackstars ARE A piece of shit, that doesn't mean all LEDs are bad, so maybe you should avoid the sweeping generalizations???
PS - yes, i'll buy your blackstar from you -- but since you think it's a POS don't expect for me to offer you much for it
I can't speak for your grows... but I'm growing solely under Blackstar 240s (multiple) and loving my results. Do these look like immature buds to you? 6 weeks. They sure look bigger than I expected they would under my 400w. I don't know if you just got a bad light, are having poor results or what... i've heard of other people with blackstars having similar stories to yours but I'm sorry, just isn't matched by my personal experience. The only thing I've changed for adjusting to LEDs is supplementing with cal-mag to deal with mg deficiencies the LEDs can cause. Mine are all 2012 models so could be just an older model you have? I dunno, but mine are great and I've heard from others who like their blackstars so not sure what to tell you. FYI, even if you think blackstars are pieces of shit, blackstar isn't the same thing as every other LED manufacturer. Even if blackstars ARE A piece of shit, that doesn't mean all LEDs are bad, so maybe you should avoid the sweeping generalizations???
PS - yes, i'll buy your blackstar from you -- but since you think it's a POS don't expect for me to offer you much for it
Hooked on Ponics
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I still am not understanding how all LEDs are bad because you got less than expected results with just one LED fixture.
Anyways, like I said, and have experienced 1st hand, no 2 LEDs fixtures are created equally.
First there are the LED chips and diodes themselves. There are many name brands, and bin selections per every color, each having different spectrum's and some more efficient than others.
Second, the spectrum and ratio of the LEDs will make a difference. Blackstar uses 10% 460nm, less than 1% 12000k "cree white" (check Cree's site for a 12000k Cree, let me know how that works out for you) less than 1% 730, less than 1% 380nm, 35% 630nm 35% 660nm. The 660nm should be higher than the 630nm in count, 2:1 ratio at least. They also need more white, regardless who makes them. Less than 1% 730nm or 380nm is not making any difference whatsoever, it is only a gimmick to sell the light as "UV" and "IR". 730nm isn't even "IR", it is just farred. Then the 460nm, they should at least cover 450-460nm to catch that big chlorophyll a spike at around 453nm.
Third, there are power sources, all power supplies has a ac/dc conversion rate loss. Cheaper ones have a bigger loss than good ones. We're talking differences between 5% and 25%, having decent power sources makes a big difference.
Then there's the heat sinks and fans. Cheap heat sinks and cheap fans allows the LEDs to heat up too much, and they lose their proper color, and efficiency as well.
How much you drive an LED makes a difference too. You might get 100 lumens (just an example figure) per one 3w LED driven 3.6v and @600mA (2.16w, or 46.3 lumens per watt), or you can drive that same LED at 700mA, which would be 2.52w, and in that case you will gain more light output, but not more light output per energy used. You'll be more like 40 lumens per watt @700mA.
Now, onto Blackstar, they use cheap no name LEDs, they use cheap pcb, cheap power sources, cheap fans, almost no heat sink, and kinda improper spectrum and ratio, of course they will not perform better than LEDs with newer and better technology which does cost a little more.
What I am not getting, is how are all LEDs bad because you did not get good results with your Blackstar LED? There are more to growing with LEDs than just plopping a light above the plants then viola! You need to set your environment correctly, and it is going to be slightly different than HPS growing, fist off all, there is the light distance between the plants compared to HPS. LEDs do need more distance, if they are too close you will bleach the leaves, and stunt the growth as well. Nutrient uptake and watering is different as well.
I went and looked at some of your past posts Marky, it just seems you are a negative person in general. So with that being learned, you can go fuck yourself for the racist comment, and welcome to my ignore list.
Anyways, like I said, and have experienced 1st hand, no 2 LEDs fixtures are created equally.
First there are the LED chips and diodes themselves. There are many name brands, and bin selections per every color, each having different spectrum's and some more efficient than others.
Second, the spectrum and ratio of the LEDs will make a difference. Blackstar uses 10% 460nm, less than 1% 12000k "cree white" (check Cree's site for a 12000k Cree, let me know how that works out for you) less than 1% 730, less than 1% 380nm, 35% 630nm 35% 660nm. The 660nm should be higher than the 630nm in count, 2:1 ratio at least. They also need more white, regardless who makes them. Less than 1% 730nm or 380nm is not making any difference whatsoever, it is only a gimmick to sell the light as "UV" and "IR". 730nm isn't even "IR", it is just farred. Then the 460nm, they should at least cover 450-460nm to catch that big chlorophyll a spike at around 453nm.
Third, there are power sources, all power supplies has a ac/dc conversion rate loss. Cheaper ones have a bigger loss than good ones. We're talking differences between 5% and 25%, having decent power sources makes a big difference.
Then there's the heat sinks and fans. Cheap heat sinks and cheap fans allows the LEDs to heat up too much, and they lose their proper color, and efficiency as well.
How much you drive an LED makes a difference too. You might get 100 lumens (just an example figure) per one 3w LED driven 3.6v and @600mA (2.16w, or 46.3 lumens per watt), or you can drive that same LED at 700mA, which would be 2.52w, and in that case you will gain more light output, but not more light output per energy used. You'll be more like 40 lumens per watt @700mA.
Now, onto Blackstar, they use cheap no name LEDs, they use cheap pcb, cheap power sources, cheap fans, almost no heat sink, and kinda improper spectrum and ratio, of course they will not perform better than LEDs with newer and better technology which does cost a little more.
What I am not getting, is how are all LEDs bad because you did not get good results with your Blackstar LED? There are more to growing with LEDs than just plopping a light above the plants then viola! You need to set your environment correctly, and it is going to be slightly different than HPS growing, fist off all, there is the light distance between the plants compared to HPS. LEDs do need more distance, if they are too close you will bleach the leaves, and stunt the growth as well. Nutrient uptake and watering is different as well.
As far as your inappropriate racist jew comment, really? Racist comments? You come on here, created a thread to cry failing at LED growing, and then when you got responses, you got an attitude with the those responding, and even accused me of trying to sell you LEDs, then went on to make racist comments to me.
I went and looked at some of your past posts Marky, it just seems you are a negative person in general. So with that being learned, you can go fuck yourself for the racist comment, and welcome to my ignore list.
willy led wonka
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i get great results with my 500s. If you want results equal to or better than your 600hps you should have bought the 900 bs. It covers the same area as a 600hps and kills it in yeilds and quality.JMO You should be able to get 4-6 ounces of KUSH even out of your 500s. And we all know most of the pure kushes arent great yeilders. To each his own and good luck in selling your light. Why dont you call gotham back and trade it in for the 600 revolt kits they have. YOu should get some money back to boot. Thats what i would have done before even coming on here. To many growers are having excellent results with the leds these days. Blackstars being at the top of the list.
markybuds
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r u serious dude? racist comment? lol i'm done with this thread, thanx all for the input. be easy
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Senseimilla
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You don't hear very well -- that sentence started "Under certain conditions". He didn't say you should never grow with LEDs because they suck so I guess you and he don't agree.... but why ignore that when you can try and take one sentence in a video out of context... my OGK buds grown solely under LED are getting pretty dense. My apollos under LED feel pretty much like normal apollos at their age (it is a medium density strain)... you had bad results. That doesn't mean everyone will. I'm having good results as have many others whose grow threads I've followed.
For someone claiming to be the best grower around and HPS is the best thing there is you sure hang around the LED section alot...
P.S. The sun is the best light so enjoy your 2oz plants and Ill enjoy my 1lb plants....
P.S.S and if your so happy with your HID and HPS why would you even purchase a LED light?? Cant be that happy then, or maybe you just cant grow a tomato plant in a tomato field...
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