do you think astronauts like buzz aldrein and gordon cooper would lie???

sorethumb

sorethumb

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i ask this of everyone why ? but who knows money maybe. but why is it pilots ppl who are trained to fly known aircrafts . are considered nuts if they seen an unknow aircraft. would they not know what to look for?they have upwards of 200 people on most airliners. they are trusted enough to fly us around the world. but not to make a call on known aircraft flights patterns ect. astronauts admiting they were not alone when they made there trips to the moon . for fear they would be told to scub the mission why? area 51 is a jet testing facility lol right. we know more and more governments have turned over all they know of unknown craft aliens ect. why not ours? fear? i wonder
whats got our government so tight liped. what ever it is it must be bad ??.
 
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Same goes for all the credible people who spoke out about what really happened in the 1947 Roswell incident.


Most governments take alien contact very seriously. They make sure their priorities are straight and they prepare for contact, because they know that extraterrestrial life is reality in our universe.

They aren't stupid like all the mindless sheeple, like the ones who still laugh at the thought of "aliens being real."
They know that advanced life exists elsewhere and that they have technology that our planet could use.
To these certain people, It's not perceived as out of the ordinary "crazy" talk like a lot of our conditioned minds seem to think.... but that's the effects of a conditioned society.

Why is aliens a taboo subject in the first place? is it scary? wierd? crazy? fictional?
only nutjobs ponder it?
no....but it was always presented to us in that manner. Why?



Check out the 1954 Greada treaty.
 
Heisenberg

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sorethumb said:
i ask this of everyone why ? but who knows money maybe. but why is it pilots ppl who are trained to fly known aircrafts . are considered nuts if they seen an unknow aircraft. would they not know what to look for?they have upwards of 200 people on most airliners. they are trusted enough to fly us around the world. but not to make a call on known aircraft flights patterns ect. astronauts admiting they were not alone when they made there trips to the moon . for fear they would be told to scub the mission why? area 51 is a jet testing facility lol right. we know more and more governments have turned over all they know of unknown craft aliens ect. why not ours? fear? i wonder
whats got our government so tight liped. what ever it is it must be bad ??.
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No one thinks pilots, or anyone, is crazy because they saw something unknown. If I see something running through the woods and can't tell what it is, am I crazy? The problem comes when you jump from "unexplained" to "explained by aliens". Just as I would be wrong to say the unexplained thing I saw in the woods is explained by Bigfoot. Anyone who makes this leap of logic must show valid reason for doing so. Pilots are no exception, and although they are trained to be in the air, they are not trained to recognize all the tricks of perception and logic that are inherit to the human experience. Anecdotal information is enough to begin inquiry or investigation, but is not enough to draw conclusions. (there is good reason for this standard that I would be happy to explain and demonstrate)

If I were to go on to say Bigfoot regularly kidnapped me and experiments on me while we have sex, you might think I am delusional. Without any evidence to back it up, you would be right to think that. It is the responsible conclusion unless and until proper evidence contradicts it.

So your premise is muddled and flawed which diminishes the apprehension of the conclusion, which is, "it must be bad".

I realize you were stoned and rambling and I have no problem with that. Just thought Id offer some critical thought.
 
Heisenberg

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meechz 024 said:
Same goes for all the credible people who spoke out about what really happened in the 1947 Roswell incident.


Most governments take alien contact very seriously. They make sure their priorities are straight and they prepare for contact, because they know that extraterrestrial life is reality in our universe.

They aren't stupid like all the mindless sheeple, like the ones who still laugh at the thought of "aliens being real."
They know that advanced life exists elsewhere and that they have technology that our planet could use.
To these certain people, It's not perceived as out of the ordinary "crazy" talk like a lot of our conditioned minds seem to think.... but that's the effects of a conditioned society.

Why is aliens a taboo subject in the first place? is it scary? wierd? crazy? fictional?
only nutjobs ponder it?
no....but it was always presented to us in that manner. Why?



Check out the 1954 Greada treaty.
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What world are you living on? Who are these people who laugh at aliens being real? I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who says that its impossible, outside of religious ideology. Most would say that there is no evidence or they say aliens are already here. I have not encountered anyone who laughs at the mere possibility.

Which society are you speaking of that makes aliens a taboo subject? We have books, movies, tv shows, websites, podcasts, ancient aliens documentaries, SETI, ect.
 
sorethumb

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i thought the government at one point did do an investigation on ufo's and other encounters with nathan twining puting it like this there is a pyhisical and real threat from these unknown air craft that it is real or did i get high and make this up lol
 
Heisenberg

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sorethumb said:
i thought the government at one point did do an investigation on ufo's and other encounters with nathan twining puting it like this there is a pyhisical and real threat from these unknown air craft that it is real or did i get high and make this up lol
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I am not familiar with the quote but perhaps it's out of context. There is a very real potential threat of alien invasion. This is not the same as saying we have evidence. It's saying the idea of alien life does not break any fundamental rules of logic or science, and therefore the possibility is real. It would be irresponsible not to consider what would happen if these aliens are hostile.

As for unknown aircraft, I imagine there is a physical threat as air traffic is carefully routed to avoid collisions. An unknown craft of any origin could do harm.
 
Heisenberg

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Have you ever thought about the contrast between the likelihood of intelligent life existing elsewhere and the fact that we have utterly no evidence confirming there is? By all standards of reasoning and current knowledge we have to conclude the the probability of alien life is high enough to be all but certain, yet we lack a single shred of indication.

This is known as the Fermi paradox. The proposed reasons for this contradiction are very interesting. Look them up sometime when you are bored.
 
sorethumb

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i dont sit here with my books. its general nathan twineing i think thats how its spelled lol. i wonder though so pilots may not not be trained for all ilusions or tricks of light or human perception ect. but they spend alot of time in the sky. and some scientists that dont can say it was your head eyes playingtricks on you . lmao sorry HEISENBERG you seem like a debunker kind of guy and i wonder if you even believe in god. i bet you don't am i right. i can explain my reasons of interrest in this matter. im not sure either of what i saw minds play tricks right even more young ones. i have been curius since i was ten takeing out the trash. seen a star moveing slowly across the sky. i dont know what it was satilite maybe but i was scared and went inside .i just dont know. so
 
Heisenberg

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I am an atheist and skeptic sure, but my intentions here was lite friendly discussion. I have simply interjected some rational thought, do you consider that debunking?

BTW, if a pilot sees something strange in the sky and a scientist tells him it's his eyes playing tricks, that scientist is a sloppy and inadequate investigator. True investigation means examining the evidence and if it is inconclusive, you must call it an unknown. Just as jumping to the conclusions of mind tricks is irresponsible, so is jumping to the conclusions of aliens.

Now it's fine to speculate that it could be aliens. I think it's fun and I don't find it to be crazy at all, but it is only speculation. If we constrain our speculation by Occam's razor we might have to admit that mind tricks are more likely than aliens, but that is no fun and not necessary for mere discussion.
 
sorethumb

sorethumb

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thanks i will look that up. do you know what seti is doing? charting stars? just pokeing around ?for signs of life. they have recieved signals and communication.they had too come on ppl they are still opperateing if they didnt would they. we dont go to the moon anymore lol. just saying
 
sorethumb

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ok im in over my head with you. your right on the perception of the mind it is faulty like my ph meter i wasted 14 bucks on lol but
what was the military shooting in los angelos 1942 at 1:40 am wasteing rounds after rounds of aaa barage ammo on it wasnt the japs or russians eye witness accounts say the rounds were bounceing off it look up that one . it was a giant ufo going down the west coast lol i read alot of shite lol
 
GreatwhiteNorth

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sorethumb said:
since i was ten takeing out the trash. seen a star moveing slowly across the sky. i dont know what it was satilite maybe but i was scared and went inside .i just dont know. so
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An artificial satellite in a geocentric orbit (the most common type of orbit) moves exactly as you described in your description.
I spent a lot of years digging holes in the Caribbean on ships and have had sightings of them literally hundreds of times.
If you get far away from civilization where there is no man made illumination at night you can see far more, and being that there are somewhere around 3000 of them (military results may vary) you suddenly realize they are all over the place up there.
I was even fortunate enough to see Skylab re-enter the atmosphere and make several of its final orbits in 79 (and that sucker was really bright).
As for aliens, I do not doubt the possibility that they do exist - but until proven we will have to rely on Hollywood.
 
sorethumb

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GreatwhiteNorth said:
An artificial satellite in a geocentric orbit (the most common type of orbit) moves exactly as you described in your description.
I spent a lot of years digging holes in the Caribbean on ships and have had sightings of them literally hundreds of times.
If you get far away from civilization where there is no man made illumination at night you can see far more, and being that there are somewhere around 3000 of them (military results may vary) you suddenly realize they are all over the place up there.
I was even fortunate enough to see Skylab re-enter the atmosphere and make several of its final orbits in 79 (and that sucker was really bright).
As for aliens, I do not doubt the possibility that they do exist - but until proven we will have to rely on Hollywood.
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yeah that was when i was 10 lol makes sence now
 
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