GBL Online Source?

[Martins]

You definitely synth it incorrectly. Almost everybody loves GHB. They don't call it liquid ecstasy for nothing. Many people who consume GBL do not like the effects. This seems to be the case!

Yes it was definetly synth right.
1mole gbl reacts with 1mole NaOH
And after reaction was finished i just evaporated it down to get crystals.

 

[ndangerspecimen101]

Well, I'm befuddled!

 

[forgetfulpenguin]

GBL to GHB conversion is not the simplest task.

GBL -> GHB is about as simple as it gets for drug synthesis. The chemicals are readily available (if you follow Chromics writeup from back in the day you just need γ-butyrolactone, water and baking soda though it gets slightly more involved if you go with his writeup that starts at GABA, Chem-R-Us also has an excellent writeup that holds your hand through the math,) the equipment is minimal, and even the most green chemist should be able to heat, check ph, and steam distill as per Chem-R-Us's excellent writeup. It's about as "difficult" as an A/B extraction.

I suppose it would be difficult if you knew nothing about chemistry, couldn't do simple math, and were totally illiterate. Otherwise, I honestly don't see how it can be described as anything but painfully simple.

Also be careful with GHB, combining it with alcohol can have sever repercussions. There is also concern that GHB might be concerningly excitotoxic to regular users. A study from The International Journal of Neuropsychopharmacology that was done on mice comes to mind.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=6137924

Gammahydroxybutyric acid (GHB) is an endogenous constituent of the central nervous system that has acquired great social relevance for its use as a recreational ‘club drug’. GHB, popularly known as ‘liquid ecstasy’, is addictive when used continuously. Although the symptoms associated with acute intoxication are well known, the effects of prolonged use remain uncertain. We examined in male rats the effect of repeated administration of GHB (10 and 100 mg/kg) on various parameters: neurological damage, working memory and spatial memory, using neurological tests, the Morris water maze and the hole-board test. The results showed that repeated administration of GHB, especially at doses of 10 mg/kg, causes neurological damage, affecting the ‘grasping’ reflex, as well as alteration in spatial and working memories. Stereological quantification showed that this drug produces a drastic neuronal loss in the CA1 hippocampal region and in the prefrontal cortex, two areas clearly involved in cognitive and neurological functions. No effects were noted after quantification in the periaqueductal grey matter (PAG), a region lacking GHB receptors. Moreover, NCS-382, a putative antagonist of GHB receptor, prevented both neurological damage and working- memory impairment induced by GHB. This suggests that the effects of administration of this compound may be mediated, at least partly, by specific receptors in the nervous system. The results show for the first time that the repeated administration of GHB, especially at very low doses, produces neurotoxic effects. This is very relevant because its abuse, especially by young persons, could produce considerable neurological alterations after prolonged abuse.

 

[ndangerspecimen101]

For once, I stand incorrect.

Thanks for the enlightenment Mr. Penguin.

 

[rickard]

Interesting posts by experienced members, I actually found this site while researching gbl. Is it still legal in the USA? they outlawed it in England last December. I saw a site online that is in the USA that said they will supply, but I'm wondering if it is an elaborate scam or things have changed since then. I saw another site with a pretty car at the top, they had the right idea by packaging in what it is supposed to be used for, ie car polish and rim cleaner. I think that package will let everyone know of your innocent intentions, but again I wonder if it is a scam site or are they for real. I understand that you cant post sources on this site, but I'm sure you geniuses can figure out a way around that, in order to save other members time and expense. Maybe a personal message or an e-mail I would really appreciate it. By the way I am not in the USA I am in the Caribbean, but USA policies usually affect ours.

 

[forgetfulpenguin]

goodGBL @ dea . gov

 

[cary schellie]

i dont think this guy wants it for sleep, I think he is planning some date rapes, if you need sleep get valium

 

[MrEDuck]

i dont think this guy wants it for sleep, I think he is planning some date rapes, if you need sleep get valium

GHB is in many respects the best sleep med there is. Most hypnotics just knock you out and interfere with the quality of sleep you get. GHB on the other hand promotes deep restful sleep. That's why it's used in treating people with narcolepsy.
The dopamine rebound also makes you wake up feeling energetic, and refreshed because of the quality sleep. Compare that to the lingering sedation of many hypnotics, which added to the fact that they prevent you from getting truly restful sleep causes a groggy feeling in the morning.
I wish I could get some GHB for sleep. But doctors actually can't prescribe it unless you have narcolepsy. Insomnia bad enough that you can be up for 6 days straight doesn't qualify.
Fucking scumbags who think its ok to drug someone ruining things for everyone. How can it even be fun fucking someone who is basically passed out?

 

[rickard]

Well fellow members I am unpleasantly surprised at the wrong assumptions made by some comments above, but to clear the air, I am in Jamaica, pussy grows on trees here, I am not a bad looking guy, and I am involved seriously with two ladies, I have NO intentions of having sex with comatose females, I totally agree, no fun in that. I am doing research as to the possibility of using GBL to treat alcoholics and maybe other addicts, I don't want to overdose anyone and I am trying to be as responsible as possible to gather as much correct information as I can, obviously the internet can be misleading and I cant get credible info from the usual sources because not enough research is done just as with marijuana, I get most of my research material from underground books the same applies to LSD. I recently "discovered" GBl and I think it looks promising, but the effective dose is so close to the overdose it is frightening. I bought a 2.91 pound bottle of 99.95% GBL and I am now waiting for them to send me via e-mail the CAS report before I proceed. Now I have seen where the recommended doses differ from different peoples opinion, the best advice I got is to start at small doses 2ml and after some time up the dose if it is not getting the desired effect. Any help I can get from members as to how to calibrate the correct dose from the GBL I bought will be greatly appreciated also any advice you wish to share.
As to those members that assumed when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME, please don't be so judgmental next time. Respect.

 

[MrEDuck]

Because there is no better way to treat an alcoholic than giving them a more potent and enjoyable GABA drug. Seriously it's a terrible idea. It's like treating a hydrocondone addiction with heroin.

 

[rickard]

Hi MrEDuck, I see your point but I am lead to believe that the withdrawal symptoms can be alleviated with the use of gbl, now if the patient is unaware of the "medicine" he won't be able to associate that great feeling with gbl, all they will know is that this treatment helps them with less pain. Of course this will only help if someone genuinely wants to stop but is weak to the substance. Like I said this is research, I am hoping for great results, but I am prepared to be disappointed, at the very least I am giving it an honest shot. But yes I need a lot more information first before I move ahead.

 

[MrEDuck]

That's not how it works. The withdrawal symptoms come from a receptor not being activated. You activate it with something else and the brain never rebalances itself, so when you stop the new drug you still have withdrawals. You want to use weaker drugs to taper. Librium is the most common drug used for this purpose. GHB is a terrible drug for this. GHB produces some of te worst withdrawals known to man.

 

[rickard]

Ouch that sounds really painful, you see what I mean about information on the net, I will definitely check out Librium. Thanks

 

[MrEDuck]

Librium is Rx only and I have never seen it outside of a medical setting. It's one of the least recreational benzos. But that's what makes it good for detox. It cuts the edge while not being fun. If someone is facing alcohol withdrawal bad enough that it's physical I highly advise seeking medical help. They can make it much more comfortable.

 

[rickard]

This is a reply to MrEDuck because he has used up all of his private message space
I believe you about those burns, I saw someone who was careless ouch.
Yes your method has less risk, but if I decide to use Rhodiums method I will definitely buy the safety gear that you recommend, if they have it at the university lab, I can get them free. The blue dye is a brilliant suggestion, better safe than sorry. I'm glad you are here, there is so much misinformation out there, it is not funny. +1 rep respect

 

[polyarcturus]

Librium is Rx only and I have never seen it outside of a medical setting. It's one of the least recreational benzos. But that's what makes it good for detox. It cuts the edge while not being fun. If someone is facing alcohol withdrawal bad enough that it's physical I highly advise seeking medical help. They can make it much more comfortable.

i think this should be repeated when detoxing from alcohol seek medical treatment. i one for finding alternate cures but in this case this is what you have to do. ive known a few people that died because they tried to quite by themselves. some drugs like heroin, alcohol, and others cant be done by yourself after a certain point your body has adapte in a way to work with the drug, you have re-adapt your body to go with out

 

[MrEDuck]

Rickard I'm bad about clearing my pm box. Sorry.
You need safety gear whichever way you go. You're still making a 2.5M NaOH solution, that's still fucking concentrated.
Your university probably won't have 8mil nitrile gloves in the gen chem or first year organic labs. They'll probably have Purple Knights which are 3 or 5 mil iirc. They're good but can get torn up pretty easily by either of your reactants. Order the 8mils or get a pair of dish washing gauntlets if you can't. Nitrile is prefered over latex.

i think this should be repeated when detoxing from alcohol seek medical treatment. i one for finding alternate cures but in this case this is what you have to do. ive known a few people that died because they tried to quite by themselves. some drugs like heroin, alcohol, and others cant be done by yourself after a certain point your body has adapte in a way to work with the drug, you have re-adapt your body to go with out

GABAergic drug withdrawal is scary. In his autobiography Eric Clapton shares his story of forgetting to tell the rehab people he was taking Valium because he thought of it as a "ladies drug" and had a grand map seizure because of it. He then warns us readers not to do the same thing.
Opioid withdrawal is an awful experience but not likely to kill you. The only way it will is through dehydration due to vomiting and diarrhea. So as long as you can keep fluids down you're safe unless you have a massive habit. Like a I make my own 100x morphine opioid ala Thomas Highsmith, and he didn't die from wd. He killed himself because it was so awful and 300mg of methadone wasn't helping him.
If you're having physical withdrawal from anything medical help can't hurt.

 

[rickard]

Your university probably won't have 8mil nitrile gloves in the gen chem or first year organic labs. They'll probably have Purple Knights which are 3 or 5 mil iirc.

I bought my own nitrile gloves they are blue and powder free, that is all i could get, I could put them on and also the thick dish washing ones for added safety.
When adding The GBL to the sodium hydroxide solution, it is also an exothermic reaction, I am advised not to let the mixture boil or that will ruin the product, I am advised to use an immersed thermometer to keep track of the temperature range but I am not told what is the ideal temperature.
The boiling point of GBL is 204C.
What is the temperature that GBL mixed with the sodium hydroxide solution will start to boil?
Can I dunk the glass beaker container containing the mixture in an ice/cold bath if the solution gets too hot without ruining the reaction?

 

[MrEDuck]

Water will boil off first, a little over 100°C, I'd use an ice bath and add the base slowly.

 

[todd23]

i've been searching web and blogs for a trustworthy gbl source. it seems a trying task, to say the least. it almost like every blogger calls all sites bogus except for the one he reccomends. seems they all have allterior motives... help me. i'm a weekend warrior, so to speak, of water and the crazy prices i'm forced to pay in the nyc clubs is killing me...